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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CT

The last census was 1999.  One i due this August . Kenya has never failed to make a census

The problem is people tribalise the census results.....YES even this comming will be tribalised? 

The  census results are farily acurate (normaly under UN observers &amp; experts).

...belivability is the problem because they may tell you your &quot;enemy tribe&quot; increased its population !!!</description>
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<p>CT</p>
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<p>The last census was 1999.  One i due this August . Kenya has never failed to make a census</p>
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<p>The problem is people tribalise the census results&#8230;..YES even this comming will be tribalised? </p>
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<p>The  census results are farily acurate (normaly under UN observers &amp; experts).</p>
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<p>&#8230;belivability is the problem because they may tell you your &#8220;enemy tribe&#8221; increased its population !!!
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		<title>By: Coldtusker</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jan 2009 22:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KE: 35mn is an estimate. There should be a census every 10 years but there were allegations of tribal bias in the last census (1990?)</description>
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<p>KE: 35mn is an estimate. There should be a census every 10 years but there were allegations of tribal bias in the last census (1990?)
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		<title>By: KE</title>
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		<dc:creator>KE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 23:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riaga:
I still think you do have a point in that if the levels of productivity were increased, at least people would be able to provide basic things, even for their large families.  So, again, I see both points.  Yes, if you don&#039;t have money, you probably shouldn&#039;t have large families, but if you already have a large family, then you have to become more productive so you can at least feed them. 

The problem with Kenya is that people with no money have large families and they are also not productive.  That is a bad situation for them.

Someone mentioned to me that nobody really knows what the population of Kenya is (when was a census last done?) -- the official figure is 35 million, but who knows?

If it gets to 50 million without an increased level of productivity, that could become very dangerous for the country. However, these politicians are so shortsighted that they can&#039;t see a potentially looming crisis.  

In 10 years, kenya&#039;s population could hit 50 million.  Then what? </description>
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<p>Riaga:<br />
I still think you do have a point in that if the levels of productivity were increased, at least people would be able to provide basic things, even for their large families.  So, again, I see both points.  Yes, if you don&#8217;t have money, you probably shouldn&#8217;t have large families, but if you already have a large family, then you have to become more productive so you can at least feed them. </p>
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<p>The problem with Kenya is that people with no money have large families and they are also not productive.  That is a bad situation for them.</p>
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<p>Someone mentioned to me that nobody really knows what the population of Kenya is (when was a census last done?) &#8212; the official figure is 35 million, but who knows?</p>
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<p>If it gets to 50 million without an increased level of productivity, that could become very dangerous for the country. However, these politicians are so shortsighted that they can&#8217;t see a potentially looming crisis.  </p>
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<p>In 10 years, kenya&#8217;s population could hit 50 million.  Then what?
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		<title>By: Coldtusker</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 22:47:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riaga: Accepted. And I hope the humble pie tastes good!  :wink: 

Anyway, finally you see my point... that Kenya&#039;s growth rate has been held back (yes, by all the corruption) by the &#039;consumption&#039; due to extra mouths. Like Lord says, too many dependents means you can&#039;t afford to &#039;save&#039; (capital accumulation) on an average salary/income.

Another example is farming: it is better to have 5 healthy jersey cows than 50 emaciated masaai cows if you are into dairy farming. It is less work, you need less land, you get more milk and higher profits.

Or owning 5 acres in Central (if you are into intensive farming) than 50 acres in Ukambani. And if you only have 2 kids, then you do not sub-divide the 5 acres...</description>
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<p>Riaga: Accepted. And I hope the humble pie tastes good!  <img src='http://www.kenyanentrepreneur.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=':wink:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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<p>Anyway, finally you see my point&#8230; that Kenya&#8217;s growth rate has been held back (yes, by all the corruption) by the &#8216;consumption&#8217; due to extra mouths. Like Lord says, too many dependents means you can&#8217;t afford to &#8216;save&#8217; (capital accumulation) on an average salary/income.</p>
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<p>Another example is farming: it is better to have 5 healthy jersey cows than 50 emaciated masaai cows if you are into dairy farming. It is less work, you need less land, you get more milk and higher profits.</p>
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<p>Or owning 5 acres in Central (if you are into intensive farming) than 50 acres in Ukambani. And if you only have 2 kids, then you do not sub-divide the 5 acres&#8230;
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Riaga


You can take more than that!! where is your humour ? ! am a lord not &quot;lord&quot;  :grin: 

Hey do not get out!! We need your contribution...I mean it</description>
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<p>Riaga</p>
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<p>You can take more than that!! where is your humour ? ! am a lord not &#8220;lord&#8221;  <img src='http://www.kenyanentrepreneur.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':grin:' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
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<p>Hey do not get out!! We need your contribution&#8230;I mean it
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		<title>By: Riaga Omolo</title>
		<link>http://www.kenyanentrepreneur.com/a-money-order-economy#comment-102683</link>
		<dc:creator>Riaga Omolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At least I did not Insult anybody ... I guess KE could slide me the gentleman of the day Award... I eat a humble pie...</description>
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<p>At least I did not Insult anybody &#8230; I guess KE could slide me the gentleman of the day Award&#8230; I eat a humble pie&#8230;
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		<title>By: Riaga Omolo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Riaga Omolo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 15:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Lord&quot;

Relax your ego brother ... This is not a contest... And am not eighth in my family ...


My rants seem to have back fired badly .. everybody seems to have mis understood my points ... but anyways ... good luck with your lives.</description>
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<p>&#8220;Lord&#8221;</p>
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<p>Relax your ego brother &#8230; This is not a contest&#8230; And am not eighth in my family &#8230;</p>
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<p>My rants seem to have back fired badly .. everybody seems to have mis understood my points &#8230; but anyways &#8230; good luck with your lives.
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 13:25:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CT

Forget about riaga... Obviously he got NO crasp of figures &amp; can really take TIME  to learn...probably he is number 8 in a family of twelve

Kenyas population is Overpopulation because of Dependancy ratio  !! Too many say dependents to a poor dad &amp; mum


To simplify things to you Riaga consider same pouplation for Kenya say 40M but strictly each under 18  having one brother or sister....same population but LESS dependency...Got IT</description>
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<p>CT</p>
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<p>Forget about riaga&#8230; Obviously he got NO crasp of figures &amp; can really take TIME  to learn&#8230;probably he is number 8 in a family of twelve</p>
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<p>Kenyas population is Overpopulation because of Dependancy ratio  !! Too many say dependents to a poor dad &amp; mum</p>
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<p>To simplify things to you Riaga consider same pouplation for Kenya say 40M but strictly each under 18  having one brother or sister&#8230;.same population but LESS dependency&#8230;Got IT
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		<title>By: Riaga Omolo</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Jan 2009 12:30:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Coldtusker,

I read the Article ... I agree with its analysis ...  You should have made your arguments more clearer in you past post...

This statement gives a clearer picture of this ..

 &quot;Indeed, except for a few oil-rich countries, no developing country has successfully modernised without slowing population growth.&quot;

Capital Accumulation does is not denied by overpopulation ... but is reduced by the fact that that population growth rate is higher than the capital accumulation rates....

So denied is not the right word but reduces is the right word.</description>
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<p>Coldtusker,</p>
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<p>I read the Article &#8230; I agree with its analysis &#8230;  You should have made your arguments more clearer in you past post&#8230;</p>
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<p>This statement gives a clearer picture of this ..</p>
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<p> &#8220;Indeed, except for a few oil-rich countries, no developing country has successfully modernised without slowing population growth.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Capital Accumulation does is not denied by overpopulation &#8230; but is reduced by the fact that that population growth rate is higher than the capital accumulation rates&#8230;.</p>
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<p>So denied is not the right word but reduces is the right word.
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