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Is William Ruto A Dead Man Walking?

I was watching this guy William Ruto throughout the campaign and thinking that there was something very eery about him. There he was talking about change and human rights as if nobody in the country knew what his background was. So, who is William Ruto? Let’s see:

Before 1992, Ruto used to idle around the Hilton Hotel, jobless. The Youth for Kanu ‘92 gave him a lifeline. With Cyrus Jirongo, they devoured on millions of stolen money to campaign for Kanu. And when he got a chance to join the government, Ruto went on a looting spree, almost bankrupting the Kenya Pipeline. This is the man Raila had designated to be Kenya’s Prime Minister!

Now, this man is being singled out as one of the masterminds behind the violence in the rift valley. A pattern seems to be emerging here. I now believe that the same people who planned the land clashes in 1992 and 1997 are the same one’s who planned the violence last week. In 1992 and 1997, Moi and Biwott were in power and these people were able to get away with it. However, times have changed and this is why I think there has to be retaliation. They got away with it twice (in ’92 & ’97) and it emboldened them; and if you let them get away with it again, they will repeat this same pattern of violence in 2012. At this point, I really believe that Kibaki has a moral obligation, {especially to those 50 women and children who were burnt alive in that church} to go after and eliminate, the funders and organizers of this ethnic cleansing campaign.

So, as I was writing this post, I thought about the Israeli model of vengance. The Israeli’s have a special assasination unit called the “Kidon”. The Kidons are made up of men from Israel’s armed forces, whose job is to find and eliminate anyone who plans or funds activities that kill Jews. If you watched the movie Munich, which was based on a true story of how Israeli avenged the deaths of 18 olympic athletes who were killed at the 1972 olympics in Germany, you’d know that the people who carried out those reprisals came from a specialized Kidon unit.

If you’ve read books on the Israeli Mossad (& I think I’ve pretty much read all of them), you’d know that they just don’t put together a Kidon unit in a willy nilly fashion. They begin by selecting the best recruits from their armed services and they put them through a battery of physical and mental tests (IQ tests, psychological tests, physical fitness tests, etc, etc) – because of the sensitive and high stakes nature of these operations, they want to make sure that the people recruited into these units will:

1) Have a very high level of success in carrying out their mission {and}

2) Will not get caught ; or even if there is suspicion, nothing will be traced back to them.

Once the Israeli government identifies a group of Arabs that they want eliminated, they activate a Kidon Unit and send them to work. Now, some may argue that the violence in Israel is still going on, but without those Kidons, it would have been much, much, worse. The real purpose of the Kidons is to avoid engaging in mass killings of innocent civilians and to let future perpetrators know that if they continue to fund these activities, they will pay a price with their lives.

Kibaki needs to create a Kidon unit that will identify and eliminate the perpetrators and funders of this continued violence in the rift valley. He cannot let them get away with this because they will do it again (they’ve done it 3 times already). However, if the raid on the Standard was any indication of how the CID operates, they’ll need to do a lot more training.

In closing, I will say this: William Ruto is a very cocky man. He corruptly obtained wealth and power at quite a young age, he was protected by Moi for many years and he still thinks he’s untouchable. I’d be a very worried man if I were him right now.

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  36. Anonymous
    September 8, 2011 at 8:08 am

    let us not xchange bitter words. The greatest commandmend Jesus gave to us is to love one another. do not speak any ill word against somebody. Only God knows who killed, who speaks lies about someone, who gossips and why the gossips.

    if we direct this issue to rutto alone sparks anger among the kalles.

    No one steals or kills and escape the wrath of God. Let us not measure how great is our tribes. What will it earn us? Payslip?

    IF WE PRAY GOD TO GIVE US HIS LOVE, KALLES WILL LIVE IN CENTRAL WITH KIUKS HAPPILLY CAZ WAT IS VALUED HERE IS WHAT GOD EXPECTS US TO DO AND NOT OURS.

    WHAT I KNOW IS THAT IF THE VIOLENCE WERE PLANNED, WE COULD BE TALKING OF HUNDREDS OF THOUSAND OF PEOPLE DEAD CAZ I KNOW WHAT KALLES R CAPABLE TO.

    BUT THIS.

    CAN WE START A CULTURE WHERE WE CAN ONLY INFLUENCE OUR DECISIONS AT THE GRASSROOT LEVELS AND GANG UP AGAINST ELITES? TALK OF HOW WE WILL MAKE KENYA CLOSE TO US OR UK AND NOT TALK OF PNU OR ODM?

    YOUNG SCHOLLARS OF THE THIRD GENERATION PLEASE HELP US PRUDENCE KENYA.

  37. Kenyanbybirth
    September 4, 2011 at 12:37 am

    Am wondering why some of us are so defensive even though they arent the ones been accused of planning the PEV. People started suspecting Ruto while the violence was going on and i guess the chickens have come home to roast. Where there is smoke there is —-. Most of us know Moi’s Regime was very corrupt and went unaccountable, well putting God aside let Ruto answer, the courts will decide, but at the end of the day this guy doesn’t have a great track record and running a Ministry is not a JOB. Most of these guys were never employed in actual jobs but are career politicians, very dangerous for the country. Lets vote for actual Lawyers,pharmacists,medics and other Kenyans from the private sector not the same ol politicians. RUTO Is a fighter i agree but i do think he has many skeletons in his closet as do many politicians. My opinion he should be one of the politicians we get rid of in 2012 if he isn’t found guilty

  38. Anonymous
    May 29, 2011 at 1:24 pm

    who own ths blog.i never seen such an idiot in my life.infact am lost for word to describe.am nt a kale but ruto we truly love u.i have nver seen a politician who is action oriented.ministry spoke it all

  39. Anonymous
    April 15, 2011 at 12:20 pm

    HE IS A LIFE AND KICKING

  40. Anonymous
    April 13, 2011 at 6:58 am

    Bitterness will not help in any way.The theme of the literature above is bitter.There is a possibility that rumours and the media have directed the public into forming conclusions.Am not saying that he is innocent but let the ICC take its course. Kenya will be in for a rude shock to discover that he might actually be innocent or as guilty as all Kenyans.

  41. Shenzi Moja
    March 18, 2011 at 1:42 am

    Hague is April 7th, 2011.

    Let ‘s wait and see what happens. My feeling is that God is Exposing the Hypocrisy that is in the heart of every Kenyan! If you are a Kale, Ruto is going there on your behalf. If you’re a Kyuk, Uhuru is there on your behalf. The fact that no Luo is represented Exposes even more Hypocrisy on their part! Shame on all Kenyans! Nothing but a Bunch of Hypocrites!!

  42. Keyioh
    January 9, 2011 at 9:29 am

    I can see u all workn’ hard to post what u feelin’ but alas! U digress from the possible solutions.Am a lawyer and fortunately or unfortunately i met this site and i just cnt sit and watch u utter trible names and infertile allegations,accusing people of helling offenses yet evidence.just like any one learned in my uncompromised thinking RUTTO in the context u’re putting has No ability to orgarnise attacks in corners of culture and language divise KENYA! Critical judgement just tell your approval of Rutto’s political power and his shrewd and daring fertile genius mind.in the world of stönes gold was chosen and in the world politics Rutto was chosen and may be Obama.in this u’re just but inconsequencial u cnt stop this!

  43. Kenyan patriot
    December 12, 2010 at 4:58 pm

    I was watching a politician(filled with wrath and venom as usual) addressing a crowd on the news, then…he says…,”…politics of deceit ,manipulation,lies and…”.Then i think to myself,Is this guy describing somebody else or himself? Somebody needs to tell him that while you point a finger at the other fellow,three fingers are pointing at yourself!Some of us who post tribe-ballistic blogs here are probably worse than the people they are pointing accusing fingers at(given the same environment/opportunity/chance/situation,etc.).

    I have also realized that the people who complain the most about others being tribalist are themselves,Perhaps even worse,only they are too blinded by it to realize this by themselves.Hey…this is only my observation and probably somebody else has also noticed this.

  44. Anonymous
    December 12, 2010 at 4:18 pm

    RUTO STOLE MAN THROUGH THE YOUTH FOR KANU 92 AND LEFT THE YOUTH AND KENYA IN POVERTY AFTER POCKETING ALL THE 500/= “JIRONGO” THAT WERE PRINTED FOR CAMPAIGN. RUTO IS MAN WHEN HE GETS TO POWRE HE KNOWS ALL THE TRICKS THAT MOI USUD TO REMAIN IN POWER INCLUDING PRINTING MONEY AND KILLING HIS ENEMIES AND ORGANISING LAND CLASHES THAT HE DID IN 2007. THIS MAN RUTO IS STILL VERY YOUNG TO BE PRESIDENT HAVING ROUMOURS THAT HE HAS AN AFFAIR WITH A MUSICIAN AFTER ABANDONING HIS MARITAL WIFE. IF A MAN CANNOT KEEP HIS HOME INTACT THE HE CANT RULE A COUNTRY AND A GOOD EXAMPLE IS KIBAKI THE WIFE DOES VERY NASTY THINGS THAT ASHEMES HIM BUT HE IS MAN WHO FEELS NOTHING.

  45. Julius
    November 18, 2010 at 11:47 am

    This guy is finished. He is still living in the Kanu era where powerful people could manipulate everything.

    That’s the reason he opposed the new constitution as it does not have as many loopholes as the old one to protect criminals like him.

  46. kenyanentrepreneur
    November 9, 2010 at 6:49 pm

    Geoffrey:

    There’s absolutely nothing wrong with being rich at a young age. If you have worked for it and it’s come from your own sweat, God bless you, but to suggest that Ruto falls into this category is absolutely disengenous.

    Ruto was plucked from obscurity by Moi and like many politicians in Kenya, his wealth was accumulated through illegal means. The worst scandal being when people were starving and he was busy stealing maize and artificially inflating the prices.

    So, it’s not about illegally acquired wealth (many people in Kenya have illegally acquired wealth) – This is about mass murder and justice for those who were killed.

  47. maoni
    November 8, 2010 at 4:41 pm

    Ruto now wants to go down with the rest of them, thats why he went to the hague,OR maybe just to spill the beans to Ocampo … Or maybe he is sacred now. KE had seen this ahead if you guys. It must have started with the fight over mau when kibaki gave raila the assignment.

  48. geoffrey
    October 29, 2010 at 5:47 am

    i find your article lased with malice is there anything wrong with being rich at young age? if someone gets wealthy young age it doesnt mean he is a thieve…..your article is based on rumours lased with malice that has been doing rounds in kenya for sometime now….when something is said time en time again it makes it look ture but will never be the truth.

  49. kenyanentrepreneur
    October 25, 2010 at 2:15 pm

    Ruto is done. His name has been tainted and outside of his Kalenjin voting bloc, he simply has no chance of ever becoming more than the village chief of Eldoret.

  50. Chepkulgong
    October 25, 2010 at 10:18 am

    Ruto will rise and use furrows you dug as step to next legion. I have never erred in my opinions.

  51. Anonymous
    September 23, 2010 at 8:46 am

    Dr Frank Okuthe. the man who made his wife commite suicide for his behaviours of having sex with women in his wife’s judy okuthe bed over lunch hours. what a shameull death

  52. Anonymous
    August 30, 2010 at 4:53 pm

    As about the burning of the church, I think I have found out the reason. I am a staunch Kalenjin and I have never heard a situation where by Kalenjins have set ablaze a church. I think it is to do with the killing of Lucas Sang, the Kalenjin athlete who was hacked to death by Gikuyus. For details see http://www.aipsmedia.com/index…..7&tp=n

  53. Tele
    August 12, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Please kenyan people dont blame the Kalenjin for what happened in 2007 political skirmishes.I was in Mombasa & witnessed all tribes looting,burning & fighting one another.
    I am a mixture of Kales & kyuks,so when you talk of fight i do not support.I am a kenyan & we need to maintain peace.

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  55. Maina Njenga
    July 24, 2010 at 5:19 am

    two years down the line and RUTO is getting powerful. It seems Kales always consult before making national decisions unlike us kyuks, luos and luhyas who always rush towards unclear ends. these kales are the only ones in kenya currently who`ve made their reasons for opposing the draft-LAND and they stick to it since its their main resource. KEEP UP RUTO GUIDING YOUR PEOPLE BUT ALWAYS PREACH PEACE

  56. samuel
    July 23, 2010 at 11:20 am

    all of you are full of heatred especially. you should look both sides of the coin.

  57. vince_Naks
    July 2, 2010 at 4:27 am

    Ok lets face it!!!! this blog was posted way back on 8th Jan 2008…..exactly 2 and 1/2years down the line. Ok lets take accounts of what has happened to the then so branded DEAN MAN WALKING” Ocampo came and I really doubt whwther his name is even still in the top list!!!!!! He is still a minister!!!! From a powerful Agriculture ministry to another riched docket(in terms of budget allocations)
    He fought tirelessy for Raila after the rigged votes and he is now strongly against him…. as far as katiba is concern……
    I believe he is more lively today than ever before…
    Lets face it guys…. we can speculate about anything …..but the truth will still prevail.
    Am a kyuks, but i believe that Ruto had nothing to do with the violence in the RV… and someday the truth will prevail.

  58. villiam
    June 17, 2010 at 6:24 am

    Ruto is a low opponistic that kills to get am sure he is the man behind the bomb at uhuru park tha guy is nuts

  59. Concerned Kenyan
    June 3, 2010 at 11:02 am

    I was once asked by my god daughter, since am half kikuyu and half kalenjin whom should I support?
    It made me realize how we are all ranting hatred towards each other forgetting the future of Kenya (our children).As we all know Kenya has alot of inter tribal marriages, what are we potraying to these children? We also have friends that are of different tribes.
    At the end of the day all these people Ruto,Kibaki, Raila are all politicians who talk alot and disappoint the wanainchi when they are elected.
    The vote is yours and it should not be influcened by which tribe your from or what tribe the leader is from, but by the manifesto of the party you would like to vote for.If we keep blaming each other and not learning from the mistakes of the last elections, we are as bad as the politicians who have blood in their hands.
    Their is no clear cut solution of the situation we have in Kenya but I strongly belive that it starts by your vote.
    I belive we are learned and exposed to what is happening around us i.e Rwanda,Somalia, Zimbabwe to name a few.
    As we are a God fearing country and belive in prayers that is where we need to put our postive energy towards
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  60. wanjikuMworia
    May 18, 2010 at 4:27 am

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  61. kibz
    April 29, 2010 at 8:02 pm

    however much u try to brand him names, the fact remains that he is the man. hata mingiki wakimsaka hawatafaulu…..iza. he aint a dead man, and neither is he alive…but stronger than both

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    April 22, 2010 at 4:53 am

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  63. Grander
    April 21, 2010 at 8:03 am

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  64. serious kenyan
    April 14, 2010 at 12:34 pm

    RUTO STOLE MAN THROUGH THE YOUTH FOR KANU 92 AND LEFT THE YOUTH AND KENYA IN POVERTY AFTER POCKETING ALL THE 500/= “JIRONGO” THAT WERE PRINTED FOR CAMPAIGN. RUTO IS MAN WHEN HE GETS TO POWRE HE KNOWS ALL THE TRICKS THAT MOI USUD TO REMAIN IN POWER INCLUDING PRINTING MONEY AND KILLING HIS ENEMIES AND ORGANISING LAND CLASHES THAT HE DID IN 2007. THIS MAN RUTO IS STILL VERY YOUNG TO BE PRESIDENT HAVING ROUMOURS THAT HE HAS AN AFFAIR WITH A MUSICIAN AFTER ABANDONING HIS MARITAL WIFE. IF A MAN CANNOT KEEP HIS HOME INTACT THE HE CANT RULE A COUNTRY AND A GOOD EXAMPLE IS KIBAKI THE WIFE DOES VERY NASTY THINGS THAT ASHEMES HIM BUT HE IS MAN WHO FEELS NOTHING.

    RUTO WILL BE A PRESIDENT WHO WILL BE GOING ROUND DICTATING AND CHASING MUSICIAN LADIES AROUND.
    WE DONT HAVE TIME FOR SUCH KIND OF A LEADER.

    THIS MAN RUTO IS TRIBAL LEADER HE DOESNT KNOW WHAT CONSERVATION IS THESE PPLE ARE DETROYING FORESTA ND HE SAY THAT THEY ARE EVICTED RUTHLESS. TIIME WAS GIVEN A BULDOVER CAME AND EVICTED THEM.

    CHANGE YOUR WAYS MAN AND WE WILL VOTE FOR U

    BUT KNOW THAT WE SUIPPORT RAILA BABA

  65. pandora
    April 10, 2010 at 6:24 am

    Hmmm..
    Two years on and Ruto seems alive, healthy and even more powerful than before.
    He has even managed to con the hateful Kyuks into supporting him in his dogdragging of Raila

  66. hater
    April 6, 2010 at 11:03 am

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  67. Njenga kamau
    March 21, 2010 at 3:05 am

    kenyanentrepreneur ,Your comments and words suggests that yu are the worst tribalist,its full of hatred and incitements and given a chance yu can kill.Do yu mean he was the one who funded the killings rift valley, kisumu,naivasha,mombasa,kibera,western,etc?Yu must really be dreaming,having lived with these people since childhood,I have discovered that they are peacefull but just like mungikis they are ever armed to the tooth.Do yu remember the time the kisiis(Nyachai) attacked rutto with bows and arrows?You are one-sided man and Your reasons and reasoning does not really support your claim,where did yu grew up?Talk like a kenyan not like a typical kyuk…

  68. Wanjiku
    March 15, 2010 at 4:54 am

    Why is it that none of these conversations have considered the possbility of non-kenyans interfering in Kenya’s reform agenda on colonial land systems? Shouldn’t we be asking ourselves which people have not only the money but also vested interests in dividing and ruling Kenya by fueling ethnic unrest and distrust? What Kenya is going through is mirrored in Zimbabwe. The people who have had the resources, experience and motive to destabilise african countries are the same ones who have interest in the White Highlands… think beyond tribe Kenyans please otherwise we will end up colonised again.

  69. Anonymous
    March 15, 2010 at 3:56 am

    IDIOTS
    :idea:

  70. JIMMY
    January 17, 2010 at 4:46 am

    Hi MY people it doesn’t matter which tribe u come from what matters is what is in urpsairs.
    This politicians plays around with us:
    1 Why doy they jump shipping in different parties,making unimaginablepolitical uninons? Do they go where their interest are? surery not kenyans interests.

    2 Why us kenyans beleive everything politicians say as gospel truth, U were there when when they were shouting “bei ya unga wapi ya mkate,mafuta CLUMSY PROPAGADA:Eg some banks gives some community free money where on this earth same banks r 4 one tribe their ATMS use specific mother tongue and all we no govt can only do as litle.THEY R ALL IN GOVT what have they changed etc KENYANS LETS SOBBER UP.

  71. Anonymous
    January 6, 2010 at 8:16 am

    The words you type puts shame to the name of this website, its left a bad taste in my mouth, grow up, give us ideas on how to be good entreprenuers and change the country

  72. Justin Kipkoech
    December 26, 2009 at 11:50 pm

    I’ve just stumbled on your site and can’t believe what am reading.Ati Hon.Ruto ni dead man walking?Unaongeaje na madharau against a people’s representative?Mr.Ruto did not take himself to Parliament.He was elected.By the way,are you aware Kikuyus in Western Province were diplaced to Uganda by the violence?Who did that?The Kales?A big No.And those who were chased from Mombasa?Again No.Kama hamjui kuishi na watu vizuri endeni shuleni kufundishwa.Na muwache madharau.

  73. FaigneeImmade
    December 23, 2009 at 1:21 am

    Hi There Just wanted to Stop in to say hi and also to introduce myself here! The Boards look quite interesting and i cant wait to become a member of the community!

  74. Anonymous
    December 16, 2009 at 10:19 am

    @ Kenyanenterpreneur and others, while I understand your feeling of frustration towards violence meted against your community, that does not justify your Ruto/Kale-hate. Likewise to other anti-bloggers. Hate can only give birth to hate. We also cannot judge Ruto or Uhuru while we don’t have proof of their participation. Peoples opinions cannot form a basis of judgement.

    Peace to Kenya

  75. Anonymous
    December 16, 2009 at 9:59 am

    “Kill Kikuyus”, my house mate kept chanting while walking around our house in Nairobi during the turmoil of PEV. He is a Luhyia and am Kale. This was the last thing I expected to come out of his mouth knowing how rational and sober he has always been or maybe portrayed himself and had never uttered any tribalistic statement.

    Brothers and sisters in this blog, during that period of PEV, I learnt one very important lesson, that identity is one of the most powerful force that drives many a Kenyan, and that we cannot deny. Like my Luhyia roommate, my identity as a kale (with rutto out of the picture) was enough to motivate me to go to the streets and demonstrate, loot or even kill just by association to a community that was apparently denied access to power (and resources) from the reported ongoings at KICC on that fateful day. Other than that, during the run up to the elections a Kyuk PNU supporter and office-mate who took it upon himself to arrogantly tell us that all Kenyans are wasting their time as the election was going to be rigged in favour of PNU to stay within the house of Mumbi. With all that feeling of anger and helplessness you can now see that its only my own personal restrain that kept me from doing so.

    Currently, Kenyan business and politics is planned and operated tribally and the two go hand in hand. Power is attained using political influence to amass wealth, to increase power. Lets be all real, there is no Kale or Luo in transcentury, and this is the case in hosts of many other politico-tribal conglomerates. This potent mixture presents a recipe for a similar or worse situation in the coming election, and though the actors may change, the game will be the same.

    Bros and sisters, lets all unite to kill these tribal associations whether business or political, that can only lead Kenya to ruin, and it begins with you and me.

  76. abbey
    December 12, 2009 at 10:57 am

    Ain’t it such a shame that people still have violence ingrained in their minds.After all the devastation witnessed,the genocides that have destroyed lives in Africa and set us Miles away from ever achieving any kind of economic independence and still we ain’t done yet are we?. Just look ,here is one Mr educated Kenyan enterprenuer ( you’d think he’d know better) fueling hatred and the rest of you’s just urging him on.What exactly are you going to achieve by setting up one tribe against the other? care to explain? And before you try to blabber anything in the name of justice, If that is what you seek why is it that I don’t see a petition (to the Haque) to bring the culprits to book? Shame on all of you’s. There is always one endresult of violence.. And you wonder why we’re called Third World.

  77. amaru ugass daleyta
    December 9, 2009 at 7:50 am

    im akenyan somali and the advicethat i will give u people is that William Ruto is the man of choice, a youthfull politician, all above we will support to the top seat come 2012. we need UNITY, stop frustrating the mans eforts, he has atalent.
    LONG LIFE RUTO.

  78. felix
    December 1, 2009 at 9:42 am

    the guy is fully tribalic but lets wait for 2012,mark my words that he will never get it.after all rift valley is not kenya,they only playing cheap politics

  79. bernaurd kiprotich
    November 4, 2009 at 9:03 am

    ruto is your president come 2012. like it or not

  80. Samuel Ndogo
    November 3, 2009 at 5:32 am

    I am work in Eldy its unfortunate but I do believe its Clap to tell Kukys to go back to their ancenstral home. I think Ruto Stinks to much of Tribalism.

  81. kipkalenjin
    October 26, 2009 at 7:11 am

    RUTO, you may hate him but He is the man to watch in the kenyan politics.A man that speaks his mind. For you all those who think Ruto Organized the massacre, you are mistaken. Ruto is indeed a real politician who given a chance can change this country for the better. Better start liking him early for if do not. For all of you who are praying hard to see him persecuted for allegiance of organizing the massacre, then better stop it.The options here are two: persecute ruto and see all the kikuyus out of riftvalley or Choose the Healling path.

    ********TOUCH RUTO AND SEE WHAT METAL KALES ARE MADE OF**********

  82. Kagongokanderi
    October 6, 2009 at 9:30 am

    anybody who puRRsues a running old man or woman to church and kills is an agent of satan…..the guilty are always afraid.a guilty man runs when nobody is pursuing.ruto has never denied guilt or claimed innocence.havent you seen people run when they see a uniformed cop? Ocampo is in town and some goons are running scared.UHURU AND RUTO ARE GUILTY.YOU CAN TELL FROM THEY TALK AND POISE…..

  83. proud kenyan
    September 22, 2009 at 9:31 am

    The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise — with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think a new, and act anew. We must disentrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.We shall not surrender this game leaving any available card unplayed.What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence? It is not our frowning battlements, the strength of our gallant warriors. These are not our reliance against a resumption of tyranny in our fair land. All of them may be turned against our liberties, without making us stronger or weaker for the struggle. Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in our bosoms. Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands, every where. Destroy this spirit, and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors.Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it.…I do not mean to say that this general government is charged with the duty of redressing or preventing all the wrongs in the world; but I do think that it is charged with the duty of preventing and redressing all wrongs which are wrongs to itself.The struggle of today, is not altogether for today — it is for a vast future also. With a reliance on Providence, all the more firm and earnest, let us proceed in the great task which events have devolved upon us.

    Give kenyans a constitution.
    shun all politicians whose vested interests supercede that of the nationhood.
    proceed in the direction of inclusiveness where every kenyan is part and parcel of the just processes of governance

  84. ME
    September 2, 2009 at 7:37 am

    I LEAVE EVERYTHING IN THE HANDS OF GOD.

  85. Anonymous
    August 31, 2009 at 4:08 pm

    that’s bull nonsense nobody planned nor financed the post election violence

  86. Anonymous
    August 31, 2009 at 4:05 pm

    Before 1992, Ruto used to idle around the Hilton Hotel, jobless. The Youth for Kanu ‘92 gave him a lifeline. With Cyrus Jirongo, they devoured on millions of stolen money to campaign for Kanu. And when he got a chance to join the government, Ruto went on a looting spree, almost bankrupting the Kenya Pipeline. This is the man Raila had designated to be Kenya’s Prime Minister!

  87. kiptoo arap sirorei
    August 26, 2009 at 7:21 am

    The dogmas of the quiet past, are inadequate to the stormy present. The occasion is piled high with difficulty, and we must rise — with the occasion. As our case is new, so we must think anew, and act anew. We must disentrall ourselves, and then we shall save our country.
    I am a patient man — always willing to forgive on the Christian terms of repentance; and also to give ample time for repentance. Still I must save this government if possible. What I cannot do, of course I will not do; but it may as well be understood, once for all, that I shall not surrender this game leaving any available card unplayed.What constitutes the bulwark of our own liberty and independence? It is not our frowning battlements, our bristling sea coasts, the guns of our war steamers, or the strength of our gallant and disciplined army. These are not our reliance against a resumption of tyranny in our fair land. All of them may be turned against our liberties, without making us stronger or weaker for the struggle. Our reliance is in the love of liberty which God has planted in our bosoms. Our defense is in the preservation of the spirit which prizes liberty as the heritage of all men, in all lands, every where. Destroy this spirit, and you have planted the seeds of despotism around your own doors.
    Those who deny freedom to others, deserve it not for themselves; and, under a just God, can not long retain it.
    …I do not mean to say that this general government is charged with the duty of redressing or preventing all the wrongs in the world; but I do think that it is charged with the duty of preventing and redressing all wrongs which are wrongs to itself.
    The struggle of today, is not altogether for today — it is for a vast future also. With a reliance on Providence, all the more firm and earnest, let us proceed in the great task which events have devolved upon us.

  88. The laibon
    August 24, 2009 at 5:13 am

    The battle royale has started.The grand act begun.The battle of determining who will be who come 2012.
    arap samoei you dont get it…which part of this world do you come from.you are a traitor.

    Now raila is getting the feel of the sword that he used in 2007.He will not prevail the PM.

    i agree with william rutto that the problems they nare facing are as a result of the choices they made before 2007.
    now it is about time they come together a gain to chart the destiny of a people!

    some are saying it is a passing cloud!We will see which cloud will hang on! Njonjo once said something to that effect in the change the constitution of 1977.He ended up being the cloud he was alluding to .Henry kosgei,sally kosgey,musa sirma where art thou!…waste no more time………….The entourage has left Gilgal and crssing jordan we must and time is now.Do not stay on the land before river jordan.We must all cross at once.
    Moi just joined in for the crossing,biwott send a word .
    The flag has been raised.tarry not any longer…we are just waiting for you three..
    Follow him not he wont go nowhere even if obam is on his side
    the laibon

  89. Arap Samoei
    August 12, 2009 at 4:16 am

    Ruto is a walking dead. He has displayed that he plays a selfish game aimed at fulfiling his personal ambitions (not). Did you watch his interview a few weeks ago with Rama Nyang – KTN. He stammered on pertinet queries like the idiot that he is and proved what we have known all along: he is a war monger and deserves to be punished for the lives of 1500 Kenyans and others displaced from their home, what rot! In all my life I have never met a more stupid people than the Kalenjin!! Why do you always follow your leaders blindly?!! Have a mind of your own, think for yourselves and learn to work hard not always depending on others’ sweat. Look at the other clown Gideon whitewashing you on the revival of a dead KANU!!! Nuff sed.

  90. KIPTOO ARAP SIROREI
    August 8, 2009 at 5:44 am

    WARNING TO RUTTO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    NEVER EVER TELL KALEOS TO FOLLOW RAILA OR UHURU>IT IS YOUR DOOM>
    Never INTERFERE WITH ELECTION OF MPS IN RIFT VALLEY AGAIN>

  91. wash
    July 30, 2009 at 3:59 am

    We talk so much about and even had Mr .Kibaki attend a ceremony for the Kiambaa church victims . Awhole family of 8 was burned in their House in Naivasha . Are those lives lesser than the Kiambaa Ones .A man was dragged out of an Akamba bus and killed right in the glare of the Media and the whole world saw , was his life lesser than those of the Kiambaa Church . None of Us chose to be luo , kyuk , digo , giriama , banjuni , sagala , kamba , mbeere , tiriki , tachoni , turgen or even Somali .Life is precious and we should respect the sanctity of the same . The underlying Issue in RV and also at the Coast(Who are the mahority in Mpeketoni) is LAND , and unless and until this is resolved lets forget about peace or the semblance of it.As a people , a society we need to face and deal with reality .

  92. wash
    July 30, 2009 at 3:49 am

    The mistake that the Government of Kenya made during the time of independence was to sign an agreement that the Government of Kenya would buy land from white settlers, who had never paid for it, and sale it to African peasants.

  93. Anonymous
    July 22, 2009 at 2:02 am

    Innocent until proven guilty…so the adage goes! What i have never quite understood, is why, just why is Ruto ruto running unpersued? The bible says..a wicked man will run unpursued. What Ruto should remeber is this, the likes of Mobutu seseko, Hitler etc etc were untouchable. But God had had enough of them shedding innocent blood. We all know how their story ended./ Now The Hague is getting closer, and yes, Ruto is starting to Panik. The blood of those Kiambaa victims, the women who were raped, the small children who were killed even if they did not vote, “They maybe dead, but thir spirits live on and seeks on for revenge”. And for that Ruto, i can see this one really going sour for you! Repent!

  94. dickson
    July 3, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Goodness Heaven what makes others think its only others who can fight and not others?

    Tafakari hiyo!!!

    So those who call themselves warriors think and think again…….

  95. kale
    July 2, 2009 at 8:18 am

    Yes am Back.This world is big, I am a tribalist. ask me why. why did God make me a Kalenjin?.Take this; God created man and gave him a language, family, and tribe, that is all. We came and made borders and called it Kenya or Uganda,which is akind of secregation or nepotism ‘legal’ in other peoples mind. I belief I have a my family and my tribe, that is why all Kalenjins wherever they are have the same thing in common and all Kikuyus have another thing in common(which you know). so please be what you are. I am a warrior taking milk and honey, which I cannot change, its what our forefathers used to do.

  96. wasawaiyotix
    June 17, 2009 at 9:06 am

    Before the post election violences ended, kiuks had been pushed to the furthest they could go.They were caught flat foot hence could not react.Come 2012, or earlier they would be better informed and the battle wount be as one sided as many are wont to think.Mind you there war wont be the predictable physical combat…….

  97. kenyanentrepreneur
    May 30, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    Nit:

    That is an interesting explanation for why the church burnt, which I had not heard before.

    However, it still doesn’t answer the fundamental questions of how they managed to uproot half a million people in two days. Does’nt that suggest prior planning?

    And if the people had cooking stoves at the church, it means that they had gone there to seek shelter from these so called warrior, so the violence was the original cause of their demise.

    I don’t know why a stolen election would ignite such anger. Kenyans endured 24 years of corruption, violence and ineptitude from Moi. Nobody went uprooting Kalenjins and killing them during that time.

    There was not excuse for that violence from the kalenjins, especially after what moi did to the country for 24 years. It was hypocritical of them, to say the least.

  98. nit
    May 29, 2009 at 8:46 am

    Even God knows this. No one Planned the violence in the Rift Valley, I was there that evening of the results and I felt so bitter that I could do anything to release my anger. If you have ever lived with Kales, then you will find in every home there is a bow an arrow and Every man is trained to use it when initiating.you blamed Moi, Moi went, You will blame Ruto, Ruto will go, you will blame another outspoken Kale, and He will go, but the problem still will go on!!!! trust me. it is hard to remove ‘antiRutoism’ in all your heads, but at long last it will be out when you know the truth. I am not saying Ruto is a perfect guy.
    The Eldoret church, people don’t want to say the truth, which is ;’ the church was not burned by anybody. there was an explosion inside from the crowded place with cooking gases’ If the church was sorrounded by warriors as claimed, then everyone would have been killed, but there are those who escaped. in the Kalenjin culture, they never kill a woman, a child or elderly. It just can’t happen. Let us speak the truth please and open your eyes.
    comment on those killed in Naivasha or they are not HUMAN BEINGS

  99. Barmoyah
    May 26, 2009 at 3:44 am

    If we have to build a better and united Kenya for our children, I suggest we shun tribalism and focus on issues rather than personalities. Youths of Kenya should be leaders and a good example in this. I get really scared when I see this kind of exchange and especially when they are sentiments of young people. What is the future of Kenya.

    The issue of Post Kenyatta, Moi and Kibaki eras should be looked at in the context of the injustices that these regimes have committed against Kenyans. All the 3 regimes have only worked to serve the rich and isolate peasant Kenya, making them poorer and poorer. Ruto may only be one thief among a list of many others- Nyachae, Matiba, Kule, Awori, Njonjo, Karume, Biwot, Oyugi etc. There is no point singling out an individual coz of his/her tribe and making him look like the worst enemy of the people while forgeting that injustice to a Kenyan is injustice to all Kenyans.

    Kenyans lets get sober and begin to live

  100. kenyanentrepreneur
    April 29, 2009 at 8:06 pm

    Emmanuel arap Choge: Kales were extremely bitter against Kibaki’s rule.Immediately he came to power, he fired many Kaleos under the pretext that they were unqualified.He did all manner of dirty stuff to finish Kales. Thus we were embittered.We looked for someone who could remove Kibaki in office;one who’s untribal as the Kyuks

    Moi did the same thing to Kikuyu’s when he came to power and he continued it for 24 years, but Kikuyu’s did not retaliate by killing Kalenjins. So, that is not an excuse.

    Those tribal clashes have been going on for 15 years even while Moi was in power. This is one reason why Kibaki and the Kikuyu’s around him won’t give up power: It’s literally too dangerous to do that now.

  101. sweetlady
    April 21, 2009 at 7:01 am

    gosh kalenjins whats with you and bad language, looks like thats all you know and can do apart from slushing people with pangas and burning houses and food stored in granaries(no wonder u are starving now), i cant wait, oh i cant wait, i tell you i cant wait for GOD JUDGEMENT ON RUTO, because its sure coming! Come to think of it, kalenjins are only in the rift valley……………………where else would they fit anyway, they are social misfits, they suck, what with their funny accents!
    they thot they would continue holding on to power after running down with beautiful country for 24 years! and come to think of it, they are only in the govt run institutions like the police and the like…………….illiteracy!!!!!!!!

  102. WANGARI
    April 16, 2009 at 9:03 am

    ARAP CHOGE AND THE REST.

    Please stop tribal talk. We need to unite against the irritant enemy called Museveni. We are all kenyans- Kalenjins or not.

  103. Emmanuel arap Choge
    April 11, 2009 at 9:17 am

    Guys, i think this is utter non-sense! You can go on pointing accusing finger at Ruto. But one thing is sure; you won’t touch him, for real. Any self-respecting Kale will tell you that Ruto, as i write this text, holds the nerves of all Kales. In Rift Valley, Kales are just putting their hears on the ground, waiting to see who will touch Ruto.

    Whether to be taken to the Hague or a local tribunal. We are just waiting with a bated breathe and then we unleash terror of magnitude never witnessed before in this country. U may go on saying the violence witnessed in Rift Valley were pre-planned. But i tell u; thank God it was never planned.

    Kales were extremely bitter against Kibaki’s rule.Immediately he came to power, he fired many Kaleos under the pretext that they were unqualified.He did all manner of dirty stuff to finish Kales. Thus we were embittered.We looked for someone who could remove Kibaki in office;one who’s untribal as the Kyuks.

    In Raila Odinga, we found one. We (Kales) voted overwhelmingly for him to give us a lease of life and a chance to be heard;to heal the wounds Kibaki and his ilk had inflicted on us. We followed the tallying process at KICC in the media especially on KTN. When we witnessed the daylight robbery of our only right, we couldn’t bear. It was outrageous. We could not imagine another 5 years of isolation by Kibaki administration.

    Since we couldn’t all travel to Nairobi to teach Kibaki a lesson or two, we sought solace in the Kyuks around us.It was all spontaneous,honestly.What provoked us most were the insulting utterances by some Kyuks in defence of Kibaki. Even when it was apparent even to a Std 3 pupil that the votes were stolen, these Kyuks neighbours of ours defended ‘their Kibaki’.In such a situation, only one thing happens. U need not a politician to tell u what to do. We did the inevitable.

    We may be sorry for what we did.But this is not over yet. Until we resolve the historical injustices the Kenyatta regime did in Rift Valley. Land issue must be addressed before the next General Elections. The expected land reformers must tell us where is our land that we were living during the pre-colonial period.Why did Kenyatta regime annexed the fertile highlands of Rift Valley to his Kyuks disregarding the natives who were displaced by the Britons?

    Until this issue is addressed comprehensively, peaceful co-existence btwn these 2 tribes will remain elusive. But i pity the Kyuks in the region present in 2012 if another round of the post-election occur. The magnitude will be enormous and sorrowful. No one will want it.

    Again, any move likely to suggest Ruto will be finished, will lead to upsurge of violence in the Region. We know there’s a conspiracy to finish him so that Kales will be left vulnerable.Even in ODM, it has crept in. We know this thankless Raila who’s now witch-hunting Ruto. I would like to remind him that Kalenjins are his political life blood. If Kales never voted for u in 2007 and fought thereafter, u could not be moving around now in the name of PM.

    Raila should know, or he knows that no one in GEMA or Kambaland will vote for him. Luhyas are not trusted lot;always divided. Kisiis are mostly with Kyuks.Luos are a handful;alone cant make one a president.

    So as u continue to hurl insults at Ruto,do it if u are a non-Kale comfortably living in your ancestoral province.Ask those non-Kales living in Rift Valley.I hope u got a glimpse on what will happen if Rutto is touched when he was censored. It was the tip of the iceberg. Mjienjoy.

  104. Anonymous
    March 30, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    Kibaki is still the president because Kalejins and the rest of the gang were unable to remove him, they tried, but the truth is that they failed. If the Kalejins have the means, Kibs would not last another day, and his fellow kikuyus would be wiped out from the face of the earth. fortunately or unfortunately, the Kales dont have the power to do it now and I doubt whether they will have it in the future.

  105. mswati
    March 30, 2009 at 2:31 am

    :arrow: Democracy is a great institution but it only works if it is fair and is seen as fair.otherwise it means nothing.
    If people cannot change their governments through the ballot box we are reminded again and again by history that they will change it by other means.
    Kibaki rigged the elections.he hijacked the will of the people of kenya. Kenyans have Shown great enthusiasm for democratic process.
    The PEV was a direct result of the loss of faith in the democratic system and not because they had been incited.the people felt cheated and they turned their anger on those who they felt had cheated them and the lowest common denominator came into play and took the form of ethnic cleansing witnessed.in a matter of hours harmonious communities cracked and splintered and neighbour turned against neighbour.the ones who incited people include Kibaki coz a revenge mission was arranged in the Statehouse ,uhuru, michuki and others..it has to be even if it pains.id

  106. Firestone
    March 20, 2009 at 3:11 am

    The problem with Kenya is the kikuyus!. Period. They have this warped idea that they are the only ones who can lead.

    They should know that that is unacceptable to the rest of Kenyans. It is that stupid mentality that made them rig the 2007 general elections after being defeated.

    With that mentality you need not doubt that in 2012 there will be civil war should they try to rig again as they will definitely do.

    We cannot allow kikuyu colonialism. We resisted the British. We shall resist them too. Other tribes also have young people capable of fighting.

    Personally I am ready to go to the bush to stop that kikuyu nonesense. Of course if one of them wins a clean election we will have no problem. But stealing an election again will not wash.

    Down with kikuyu tribalists. By the way the number one tribalist in kenya is the stupid old man called Kibaki.

  107. Kenyan dude
    February 28, 2009 at 7:51 am

    @Keiyot

    Whores – Kiuks dominate. That one I have to agree with you.

    Banking – Kiuks are the largest local shareholders of banks that make billions like Equity, CFC Stanbic, NIC Bank, and most likely many other banks that I’m not aware of. Many Asian banks are troubled, e.g. EABS Bank had to be sold to Nigeria’s Ecobank because it was drowning in bad debts.

    Schools – Most private schools in Nbi are kiuk-owned. Just ask any private school teacher.

    Clothing – Kiuks dominate the new clothes market, e.g. Kibaki the great is a major shareholder of the Deacons Group which has 19 stores and owns the local franchises for Woolworths, 4u2, Mr Price, Truworths, Identity, Angelo, and Mr Price Home. Kiuks also dominate mtush. That one I have to agree with you.

    Housing – Most landlords in slums, middle class, and upper class neighbourhoods are kiuks. For confirmation, please ask any Karen jungu to tell you who’s the biggest landlord in Karen.

    Food – Due to the terrific weather in Central (the grass is green and knee-high in my shags) and low transport costs, all Nairobi meals have something from Central.

    Transport – Mats of course are kiuk-dominated. So are some bus services like Citi Hoppa.

    Devolution won’t happen in a hundred years since Kenyan politicians are addicted to living in Nairobi and are heavily invested in the capital. Why would they want to kick themselves in the knee? Even if it happens, kiuks will still dominate by investing all over the country upende usipende.

  108. Keiyot
    February 26, 2009 at 9:04 am

    Kenyan dude!!

    You forgot the WHORES….! Yes…WHORES..
    Remove the banking though…it belongs to asians…
    Schools ….what are you smoking ?
    Clothing….Ok ..Mitumba (New clothes is strictly Luo Asian biz)
    Transport..Ok…..the mats
    Housing…slums…ok…

    Well …what will hapen after devolution (within five years)…? i give you whoring. You are strong there!!

  109. Kenyan dude
    February 26, 2009 at 4:50 am

    keiyot: #Kenyan DudeYou are saying what is clear…Kila pahali iko na wenyewe

    North Rift and Nyanza will never become richer than Central because, unlike Central, they’re aren’t next to Nairobi which constitutes 65% of the economy. You’re forgetting that when Ruto and Raila eat, most, if not all, of the food in their plates comes from Central. The same applies to 3.5m Nairobians. And it’s not just food that we’re talking about. There’s also housing, transport, banking, schools and clothing that Nairobians get from Central people. So live with it.

  110. kenyanentrepreneur
    February 20, 2009 at 5:27 pm

    keiyot:

    I’m very disappointed that Ruto was not censured.

    This is no longer about kalenjins, but about MP’s all looking out for each other and no one else.

    It’s sick and Ruto is a crook. There’s no excuse for stealing maize and I believe that most kenyans outside of parliament know the truth.

  111. keiyot
    February 20, 2009 at 4:44 am

    KE

    Now you see what we know…22 kikuyus had the caurage to vote against Ruto in parliament….Karua & Kiunjuri are the really men you have…..Seriously i love Karua for her bravery……she must be a kalenjin….The real Kyuks were quaking….

    The rest of Kenya always have nothing against Kelenjins. Infact they love Kalenjins.

    Ruto vs Any Kikuyu for presidency will mean Ruto is in state house!!!
    But Kalenjins are smart…we must see Agwambo through first then Mudavadi before we ask Kenyans for support.

    #Kenyan Dude

    You are saying what is clear…Kila pahali iko na wenyewe

  112. Kenyan dude
    February 20, 2009 at 4:20 am

    KE

    Why invest in shags (all shags) and risk loosing everything to ancestral land claims by locals when you can invest in the safer (non-slum) parts of Nairobi?

    Kenyan dude

  113. kenyanentrepreneur
    February 18, 2009 at 3:38 pm

    Kenyan dude:

    What do you mean? explain further

  114. Kenyan dude
    February 18, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    The only places in Kenya that have any hope in future are the non-slum areas of Nairobi because those are the only places where investors can safely invest truckloads of money. All other parts of the country are forever doomed.

  115. dizii lagat
    February 16, 2009 at 2:47 am

    let me tell you that Rutto is my role model and never accuse him of things he never did.I know you pple want to destroy the kalenjin community and we will never accept.Nobody financed the killings of rift valley.It is the cause of a great thief called kibaki who stole the 2007 election vote.Rutto he our leader,the one to see that his pple live like pple created for the purpose.Long live Rutto.

  116. KENNETH K
    January 31, 2009 at 4:10 pm

    KE
    Why would you want to see Mheshimiwa’s family in the media?
    that is a dignified familly and i suppose should be left just like the other kenyans to lead their life.she hasn’t stormed the media house or any ones party in the mid night to be exposed nor is she getting a huge pay for nothing she is a decent woman

    if you want to know the facts ask the right pple or rather follow the right channel
    dont rely on hearsay.

    i think you’d better stop this disscusion about anybody’s fillia it has got nothing to do with the heading on this blog

  117. kenyanentrepreneur
    January 28, 2009 at 9:48 pm

    Kenneth,

    You know, I always wondered why we never saw pictures of Ruto and his wife in the papers or in the news. Did you ever wonder about that? So, it would make sense if she’s mentally ill and has been “hidden” away or institutionalized.

    And his father did pass away last year. What did he die of? do you know?

    I can no longer have a discussion with you guys because you’re all just hyperventilating and not answering my questions.

  118. .s.i.r.r.
    January 27, 2009 at 4:19 am

    i really much sypathise with all but lets get our lives on the move the sooner the better

  119. KENNETH K
    January 26, 2009 at 4:29 pm

    KE
    Now that you have reveald that all your arguments are based on hearsay,
    and what pple of your sort say.

    would you please take your craps to your local chang’aa den and let us sell our grains in peace..cous that’s the only place you can discuss such crap as you are talking of MHE RUTTO’S fretanity.

    This is now the second year since you initiated this blog.on the contrary what we see is the triumps of HON WILLIAM RUTO.

    The point that you are missing is that you are the dead one walking..

  120. keiyot
    January 26, 2009 at 2:58 am

    KE

    You have reaveled the side of Kikuyus..we feared….It seems the PEV was so traumatic to you that you see and imagine things…..

    That thing (PEV) was small…very small….We waited for a big one which your Father skirted……

    We are ready any day soon….we want to divison this crappy country……

  121. kenyanentrepreneur
    January 25, 2009 at 11:55 pm

    Sirorei:

    Someone told me this weekend that Ruto’s father committed suicide because he couldn’t deal with all the stress after the post-election violence. i.e. the kalenjin elders went to his house to ask him where their boys were: were they in prison or were they dead? and if they were dead, couldn’t he at least tell them where their bodies were so that they could at least give them a proper burial?

    I understand that while Ruto’s father had nothing to do with the violence, they went to his house nonetheless because Ruto has been avoiding visits to his own constituency because of the pressure he is under to have those so called warriors (who killed on his behalf) — to have them either released from jail or their bodies returned.

    The second thing I heard is that rutos’ wife (who is she anyway?) went mad (also after the violence). Now, I don’t know if she had an underlying problem and the stress of the campaign triggered it, but people are saying she went crazy.

    So, I want all of you to move away from these pronouncements you have been making and start talking about Ruto’s popularity in his constituency after what happened.

    Are these allegations or rumours about ruto true?

  122. sirorei
    January 23, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    KE
    they are trying all they can to spoil things for william rutto.they want him to earn a bad name,that he mismanaged NCPB,that he allowed kenyans to go hungry. they even told him to sell seed maize to be milled for eating,just so that he cannot have good maize seed for farmers when planting season begins for north rift,we will see how he plays it.he is smart,people know who is responsible for the mess.you cannot shoot your own foot even if you are dump.

    so do not believe rutto is trying hard to shoot himself.

    this wont happen ,somebody else is shooting but missing terribly!

    KE,i hope you will vote for uhuru kenyatta2012,we are waiting for kalonzo and saitoti to decamp to ODM.rutto may be on his way back home to run with uhuru.

    kiptoo arap sirorei will be youth for KANU 2012 na muendelee hivyo hivyo,hata na mukae hivyo hivyo,yani fuata nyayo.

  123. KE
    January 23, 2009 at 1:15 pm

    Sirorei:

    Huh? :shock:

    I like chocolate chip cookies and oatmeal raisin cookies, with no preservatives please. If you like, I’ll give you my address where you can send me some.

    We should move on now to other issues.

    What is william ruto doing with the maize in the rift valley?

  124. sirorei
    January 22, 2009 at 10:47 pm

    ke thinks he is smart he cannot eat the cookies.he avoids eating all cookies even second party cookies he cannot.i already gave him third party cookies and he tested them.

  125. barsetio
    January 22, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    at least they are deaf silent now.
    ”osach kosochi gaa”,in all you do bikab kutit osupporten mungaret nebo bikab kutit,eng olaa tugul,nakuru,kericho,eldoret, kitale.

    alde imbaret ialdochi chitab kutit,mataony kireu bun,

    obaisie,makiaketyin tany,ama kitebyei en mbar kobitos bandek ak nganok.ocheng boisionik alak che oyae,ngenyor chitab kutit kole a kabatin,ama mi mbar kobek kenyi,kole a kayakin ako mayaketyin tich.

    omande ak oboisie,en mungarosiek ak oyamechi botan kelok ,ak otech mungarosiekab bikab kutit.

    mata olangu kokoyot.

    orib kandoikwak,mochub kandoik kogasei bun,kandoik orib kondin’gwon’g asi kokonyitak bik.
    barsetiokipkenda@yahoo.co.uk

  126. barsetio
    January 14, 2009 at 1:25 am

    keiyot,
    dont take that brownie,it has blood in it,it was probably looted and contains elements of blood suplied by mungiki.

    KE,
    who is,or has been a good president for kenya?,it is only moi.period.
    has handed over power to a kikuyu.how else can one be good.

    kenyatta died holding onto power,he presided over an escewed distributionof land resource after the britons left in favor of only one tribe,that is slowly coming up to hound you guys!he ensured that his people benefited immensely at the inception of our nation at the expense of the rest of the 43 tribes.you will dearly pay for this
    kibaki prefered to spill innocent blood,he prefered to stay on even as people burn,he prefered to stick on even as kenya faltered,hobbled,tumbled into the abyss of civil war,he prefered to cheat,defraud,lie at the expense of lives.instead of presiding on corruption cases so that we might have a new beginning he embedded his head in corruption,hence angloleasing,the triton saga,the ktb scandal,sale of safaricom ,sale of grand regency,sale of kenya pipeline ,sale of telcom kenya,etc,etc,he had the mandate of all the people to prosecute corruption cases ,but what did he do,he simply made it a goverment bussiness,he legalized corruption.he legitimized it by practice,we have a double digit inflation,we have 65% population starving,we have agricultural production costs higher than the output costs,what is he good for,the primary education failed,there are thousands who will not have places in form one even if they qualify,what has been his policy?didnt he see this coming?they tell us about 2030 vision,when the goverment is rotten with megacorruptions one after another.they are defrauding the IDPs,they are exporting maize to sudan,they import cheaply and export exorbitantly to south sudan.that is kibaki gov.
    KE
    send the brownies to north eastern and eastern provinces,they will surely take them wholeheartedly,give some to IDPs in eldoret ,any remainingtake them to kiambu.

    KEIYOT
    DRINK MURSIK AND CHEKO EYANIK AND THINK HARD,MAMBO MBAYA HAPO MBELE!
    KIPTOO ARAP SIROREI WHERE ARE YOU?CHEPTIREN HEY WHATS UP.
    LONG LIVE KALENJIN!!

  127. kenyanentrepreneur
    January 13, 2009 at 10:55 pm

    Keiyot:

    Moi shared the loot? :evil: this is the most hilarious statement that has ever been written on this blog (and believe me when I tell you that there have been many wild statements issued on this blog).

    Give me your address so I can send you a brownie.

  128. Keiyot
    January 13, 2009 at 5:47 am

    KE

    Let me tone down a bit…You should understand why my gall increased….! you WANT to form hit squads (using gov money to assassinate my people!!)

    Let me try to answer you

    Kalenjins at NIGHT sleep…..So total silence (except barking of dogs,hehaw of donkeys and such naturals)…BEATING of DRUMS wistling is INDEED a great tabooo…..ask any kalenjin

    Ask your Kikuyu in RV…The first thing they are warned on is NOISE…….

    MOI

    Well MOI was the the best thing that EVER happened to Kikuyu and he was a great disaster to Kalenjins….WE ALWAYS ASK HOW COULD HE ALLOW to the amendmend of 63 constitution (Majimbo)..oversee the setlements of 100000 Kikuyu families in Masai RV & Kalenjin RV ? This is something we kalenjins ask MOI always………Why did you go agaisnt the ideals of arap Murgor(kipsirimbit) & arap Seroney and ole Pertet?

    Am not saying this to be cheeky….I belive it and all Kalenjins will say the same thing……

    Of course you wanted me to talk of his governance….Well when compared to that of Kibaki and Kenyatta…..MOI will win hands down..Mainly on economy . Let me elaborate

    ECONOMY
    Well its common knowledge that Kenya has always been looted….LOOTED…So why is MOI the good man..Because He shared the loot with ALL the ethnic communities……..KIBAKI & KENYATAA are strictly Kikuyu looting (Not even meru or Embu)

    MOI….The Good
    KENYATAA..The Bad
    KIBAKI…The Ugly

    All are bandits

  129. kenyanentrepreneur
    January 12, 2009 at 10:51 pm

    Barsetion and Keiyot:

    I think you guys are getting so emotional when you write, that I can no longer figure out what you are trying to say.

    Who beats drums at night? the only people I know who do that are mokorino’s.

    Why is it against kalenjin culture to beat drums at night?

    I just have one more question for both of you:

    Was Moi a good president for Kenya?

  130. Keiyot
    January 12, 2009 at 2:46 am

    Ochay….Kongoi missing Barsetio……Iman…Imution!
    Tell them the truth…..The problem is only OUR LAND….
    So far the progress is very good…More than Half the land which they got free we have bought from them (we are really good~dont you think they should be gratefull)..However the next batch will just have to go without compensation if they keep wasting their time in Eltret..

    Do you know something Barsetio if this people were herdsmen or culturally like us there would be no problem….You see they depress prices by GHETOING and THEIVING and SINGING (whining and drums) at NIGHT!!!things that are taboo in Kalenjin culture

    They even still from IDPS (see todays nation newspaper)!!!

  131. BARSETIO
    January 11, 2009 at 1:24 pm

    KE
    you ashamed the devil, that is you KE, YOU HAVE BEEN ACCUSING OTHERS BASELESSLY,YOU DID NOT HAVE ANY CLUE OF THEIR ACTUAL INVOLVEMENT IN THE CLASHES, you do not have any accurate information to link rutto to this act,you do not have any credible information at all to say the least concerning your continued allegation and accusation of kalenjin leaders in the PEV.

    it is sad that you can pursue a course like this without a tangible reason.you love this PEOPLE KE.this is for sure the case.

    It is the only valid reason after you failed to expose the involvement of rutto for instance.

    your hatred is just pathological,ancestral,or tribal.

    you must have heard your grandmother or grandfather tell you kalenjins are bad people,when you were of tender age.YOU HAVE THEREFORE CONTINUED TO THINK LIKE THIS SINCE THEN .YOU WILL NOT CHANGE,YOU DO NOT WANT TO CHANGE EVEN AFTER GOING TO SCHOOL .i hope you pass this massage to your kids.

    KE
    NOW kalenjins know better,they will not hug,but just say hi from a distance.

    i want to tell you ke we like and love our leaders.
    moi,biwwott,rutto,kosgey,f.bett,kuttuny,kiptanui,keter. kapondi,chebii,pogiso.all of them

    we are not auctioning any of them now.none is on for sale.

    dont be cheated that we hate moi or biwott or h.kosgey.

    as kalenjins we have a modus operandi,we have a system as to how we do our thing.

    if you want to prove me touch any of our leaders like moi..and hell will break loose,touch rutto and heavens will cave down ,we are death bent on this ,on it we swear with our spears and arrows and shield,we will leave no chance,we will take no chances.we will stand up till you feel it.

    about our little GAZA,the rift valley,IT IS NOT NEGOTIABLE!!!!

    till the last of you leave ,then there will be peace,we will do it bit by bit,a little ,a little till the job is done.

    it is hard for you to believe it or to comprehend now ,but afterwards you will fully understand,that the people of this gaza strip have made a resolution,a final declaration was reached long time ago,and our worriors are implementing it.

    we have data ,to monitor the progress,how many of you have left so far,who is standing their ground,and why?

    our land was occupied forcefully and without due cause.
    we have never occupied any of your ancestral land

    long live kalenjins

  132. Keiyot
    January 11, 2009 at 7:11 am

    KE & Sir Or Ei

    I have always known this KE is very shallow……RUTO did stop the clashes …..Kibaki did NOT stop either…..therefore Kibaki is guilty…….

    Kiabki did NOT act on Intelegence…Hence go ask HIM why Kikuyus had to die….YOU KNOW WHAT HE GOING TO TELL MR. KE..

    “So that i become president………..”

    Moi & Biwott started the clashes….I thought Saitoti (vp then..PANU chairman) was their man…….Strange logic….ask Saitoti & Kamotho

    Let me save you the agony of who started this …….It was the KIKUYU THEFT…..PERIOD…

    You talk of Kalenjins fired by Kibaki…Do you know they caNnot reach 100 persons……Old guys that even Kalenjins despised……All those fired are living in Nairobi whit their Kikuyu concubines…surely they could not start the clashes in ELD against their in laws……

    LET US STOP THIS …KE does NOT KNOW MUCH……KE is just a blogger and we need to surpport this blog

  133. kiptoo arap sirorei
    January 10, 2009 at 5:18 pm

    KE
    this is absurd KE,this information cannot take anybody to hague,leave alone appear in a local tribunal.is it true that all aong this has been all that you know about his involvement!

    did you find out if he may have contributed any funds?

    your information mr ke beats any logic as to why you continue demonizing this guy with this limited information.

    mr william rutto was not the provincial administration to stop the escalation,and besides those kales were really mad he would have risked being unpoppular trying to convince them otherwise,kibaki had all the machinery to stop this madness but becouse he was beasy hiding what he had stollen,he left the poor kikuyu to suffer.

    biwott and moi were out of sight,rutto never uttered a word in all his campaigns to the effect that kikuyus should be killed or eliminated.none!no contribution of funds to the PEV….

    stop this propaganda and look at the bright site of things…..

    we need reforms, we need good governance,we need more responsive justice system,we need eradication of corruptionin all sectors of our system,

    so you are blaming

  134. kenyanentrepreneur
    January 9, 2009 at 9:54 pm

    Kiptoo:

    I am really not against the Kalenjin people per se. My mothers best friend is a Kalenjin and her and her family are some of the kindest people I have ever met. I met Alicien Chelaite (when she was an MP) through them and I found Alicien to be a kind, informed and very humble woman. I was surprised when she lost.

    Anyway, let me address the issues you’ve raised. The HRW report quoted the people in the rift valley as saying that if Ruto had wanted the violence to stop, all he had to do was tell them to stop and they would have stopped it. He never did and they continued. Now, I trust Human Rights watch and maybe you don’t or maybe you have additional information that may refute their claims, but they have been my primary source on this issue. Do take some time to read this report.

    I think the Kalenjins who had been in power and who were subsequently fired by Kibaki were not happy and they chose to react violently and to spread that violence specifically against the Kikuyu’s in the rift valley. So, I blame Moi and Biwott for first introducing this kind of violence into Kenya when it had never existed before. However, I also blame people like Ruto and others for then continuing a trend that Moi had started.

    Keiyot:
    There was an intelligence failure on Kibaki’s part and I have acknowledged that here. The NSIS warned him about it and he failed to act and for that, he should be blamed, but that does not vindicate what the other Kalenjins did.

  135. kiptoo arap sirorei
    January 6, 2009 at 2:00 pm

    KE
    we are waiting on you to tabulate and list hon. william rutto’s involvement and funding of PEV as requested by cheptiren.

    this marks a step in the right direction.

    you should knock it off if after all this you do not furnish those facts here.

    you have actually viewed avarage kalenjins as moldable clay as cheptiren puts it.your characteristic debasement of factual empiricism nothwithstanding.
    you have crafted your allegations continuously against kalenjins using stylish outadated propaganda,your detail aversity is clearly evident in every statement you make.

    the intelligence and facts are being fixed around the same outdated propaganda.

    you live in the shadows like a mushroom,you thrive in there where nobody see you.

    you have done the most damage to the very notion of honest.

    i doubt if at all you cherish justice as a virtue and honest as traits of life.none of these stand out in your statements.

    we wait on you KE.ashame the devil.

    sirorei@yahoo.com

  136. Keiyot
    January 5, 2009 at 7:16 am

    KE

    The logic is simple…the government should have have known if it was PLANNED….Thats why they did NOT NOT DEPLOY THE ARMY OR POLICE to Kalenjin land……

    IF they DID PLAN that means 5 million Kalenjins Must be telephatic or so SECRECRATIVE EVEN the CIA or MOSSAD KGB would go GREEN with envy…Actaully it enter int a guinness world book of records…Even MOI BIWOTT did NOT Know and their thousands of Kalenjin surpportes…..ie a Kalenjin could tell the differenece of a Moi and a Rutto surpportter so as to pass selective information about PLANNED Kikuyu masacre…….

    I sometimes think Kikuyus do not have reall logical brains…what they say!!

    INSTEAD the goverment thousands of GSU officers to KICC and Nyanza……WHAT they were planning is already known………..to the world

  137. Keiyot
    January 5, 2009 at 7:02 am

    KE

    I actaully have NO problem with you………. I wish i could meet you mr. KE ….

    Any way you try to build a case

    1) Moi was driving the clashes with help of state (you mean of course the armed forces)…so thats why they drove away the RV kikuyu

    …..How did MOI & BIWOTT suddenly stop driving the clashes and HAND OVER the SEAT to RUTO who is opposed to MOI and in unison agree with the driving of Kikuyus..This Kalenjins must be geniuses!!!

    ….It MUST HAVE BEEN PLANNED ie to drive away 500 000 in two days is another line thats is STUCk…..

    Look KE its your KIKUYUS who should give us the answer….with

    KIBAKI …Commander in Chief
    Njoroge & Kianga…Chief of stafff
    Gichangi…NSIS director
    Internal Office
    HEAD of CID
    HEAD OF AP…
    ALL DCS in Kalenjin being Kikuyu

    Surely you are asking KALENJINS the wrong question……………….?

    ASK your KIKUYU what kind of CURSE stopped you from protecting KIKUYUS…..WAS IT THE CURSE OF STEALING AN ELECTION ?….You see when you steal someones property you get weakened..its also known as guilt…..

    The whole world Knows your thieving ways(Your people are even proud of it) ..

    TO BEGIN WITH yo cannot even now live in CENTRAL beacuse of Mungiki(unless you are dirt poor)….your curses must be numerous…So how can you be like JEWS …Have you heard of Mungiki jews murdering jews…….
    KIDON… O…. O

    So forget about KIKUYU war against Kalenjins .

    The victor will be known in ONE DAY

  138. barsetio
    January 4, 2009 at 6:51 pm

    KE,
    please respond to what cheptiren has just asked you.this is the right way to go about your misguided ,misplaced ventetta against the kalenjins and specifically its leaders.

    you have persistently believed that kalenjins are like mouldable clay,the days when you manipulated other kenyans are over.

    leave kalenjins out of your frustrations,we are not your problem .

    you have been at most your own enemy.

    your continued blame game will not lift you and your people out of the abyss
    that you are in.

    the days ahead are even worse and harder for you.

    understand this latin saying clearly,-”E PLURIBUS UNUM” ke ,it means we are all in this thing together.
    you have been assuming you are talking from the mountain top,stop and think twice before you incite or throw a stone,the hunted might turn to be the hunter,

    moi was slapped several times,he kept quite,until his time came.

    so ke we are in this thing together all the way ,as long as the day lasts.

    stop playing dump and wake up .i am sure you cannot raise a finger credibly and convincingly against mr rutto.if so put it here on this blog.

    you are just like a dog that barks day and night for no apparent reason even the owners of the house are no longer interested in your unending rantings.saying stupid things like tutamaliza kienyeji.you are totally out of your mind.you might be psychotic out there seeking attention from whomever.

    we are waitng your response you dump kikuyu

    kipkenda arap barsetio

  139. cheptiren
    January 3, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    KE.
    thank you ke for bringing sanity to this blog.we need focus and direction.
    i am requesting you mr ke to shed some light on your persistent accusation of rutto.the hon member of parliament for eldoret north .

    can you please list clear and vivid involvement and indicators or otherwise concrete evidence of rutto’s involvement and participation in PEV.

    be at liberty KE to take your time to come up with something convincing and substantial.there should be both curcumstantial evidence and incriminating evidence.

    your cause will prevail upon the tabling of his actual involvement and evidence,we will respect you KE and support you..

    to this end KE ,MAY GOD BLESS KENYA, AND COMFORT THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LOVED ONES DURING THE PEV..

    MAY GOD RAISE A STANDARD FOR JUSTICE IN KENYA
    ELIJAH CHEPTIREN

  140. Cheruto Kosgey
    January 3, 2009 at 2:15 pm

    Helingo,yea nobody wants us as neighbours anymore because u know we can do some serious damage n u know it….not tht am braggin about it…its jus a fact..

  141. KE
    December 29, 2008 at 1:48 pm

    Barsetio:

    I think this discussion needs some focus and I’m going to try and provide it. I think you guys are going off on tangents and getting into personal attacks and it’s losing it’s focus.

    So, I’m going to raise some points here and I’d really like the kalenjins to respond to them in a very clear way.

    The reason people are saying that the attacks were planned is because of the following reasons:

    1) The Kalenjins, with support from the state, initiated this tribal clashes in Kenya beginning in 1992 after moi came under pressure to implement democratic changes.

    Prior to 1992, this kind of tribal violence had never been witnessed in Kenya. So, I contend, that Moi and the Kalenjins who were in power at the time, CREATED this phenomenon of tribal clashes in an effort to punish the Kikuyu’s who they blamed for trying to bring down the regime.

    Now, because the Kalenjins had power at the time, they were able to use it very effectively and that’s how they managed to drive out all the Kikuyu’s from the rift valley. It should come as no surprise that they did it again in 1997, the year of yet another election. Such precision and timing suggests prior planning.

    It is against this back drop of history, that the violence in 2007 occurred. The Kalenjins had been doing it for years and there is no way you can kick out 500,000 people from their homes in a matter of days, without prior planning. That’s why everyone believes this was planned, but I don’t believe it was planned in one month. They’d be doing this for 15 years.

    So, I want the Kalenjins to address this issue of tribal clashes going all the way back to 1992 and talk about where this concept originated from.

    I think the Kalenjins have become so bitter at losing power to the Kikuyu’s that they reacted violently to an election that they knew would entrench Kikuyu’s in power for a full 10 years.

    However, I don’t understand why you guys are so bitter? is it because Kikuyu’s were firing you from all the government posts that Moi put you into? Let’s be honest here, a lot of you were just incompetent and had to be removed. The economy collapsed under your rule.

    Kibaki also started firing many Kalenjins from the army, but this move should not have surprised them. Moi did the same thing when he was in power!

    At some point, the Kalenjins are just going to have to get over it and move on with their lives. Stop this incessant violence and concentrate on other productive things in your lives.

    I await your responses.

  142. barsetio
    December 28, 2008 at 12:53 pm

    ruks
    pole sana…
    i hope you are not talking about munkgiki education..we didnt get that and besides we are not interested.,
    i do not know how much of this education you yourself have,we would wish you could possibly shed some of this educational light to your friend KE on the subjects he has raised on this blog.he seems to think you can easily scare away kales with the same stuff that you are trying to raise here.

    your insinuation that ruto is guilt is based on hearsay,this inuendos are hate related and tribal in nature,and have akikuyu agenda of dominance in it.the objective is to deprive the kales visionary leadership,your education has therefore not helped you in any better way ,you are stereotypically oriented to the same tribal hatred against a people who stood against the injustices perpetrated by your patrons.

    keep dreaming,we keep planning ahead.we are putting in place contigency measures in the event of anything happening to our people.

    long live kalenjins!

  143. ruks
    December 26, 2008 at 5:11 am

    poleni sana. It is really unfortunate to witness this kind of vitriol being spewed by people who, though obviously educated, hold such a narrow view of the world. I wonder whether these guys (keiyot, sororei, barsetio) purpoting to champion the cause of Kalenjin warriorhood have paused for even a minute to think about what their own mothers would say about what they are saying here for I believe mothers of Africa, irrespective of tribe, would be very disturbed by this kind of hatred. These guy went to school in Kenya. Who paid for the salaries paid their teachers. Was it not the kenyan taxpayers from all over the country. Who paid for the doctor at the local hospital. was it the kalenjin taxpayer alone or the kenyan taxpayer period. Now I dont know whether Ruto is guilty of any thing but he sure is suspected by a lot of people, apparently including Justice Waki. he is entitled to his day in court and the tribunal will have to decide his guilt alongside that of the other suspected financiers and organisers of the violence. But one thing i know, we as a people will never go anywhere if we continue hating each other along tribal lines. Get some education guys and stop thinking that displacing hundreds of helpless peasants, women, children and kids in two days is something to be proud of.

  144. Keiyot
    December 19, 2008 at 4:17 am

    Barsetio

    I like the way the thy cheat themselves “It was planned”….I think they are trying to justify the rout…..

    Wait till we plan!!!

    Mwa….Whats up ? Lets work hard to bring up the next generation of murenik…strictly with red eyes…..kibirirgong’ …Nothing less…You can tell a coward from the eyes and lion too…..:grin:

    Give them the values

  145. barsetio
    December 18, 2008 at 1:10 pm

    keiyot’
    KE thinks we have been waiting to be assasinated,and eliminated by this outfit.eversince this blog came out we have been beasy preparing ourselves,being ready,we thank you KE for letting us know your plans.NOW the kalenjins are more ready today than they have ever been before.

    Thanks again KE,you made kales wise and ready .

    i can actually say KE is one of our own,he/she is in our side

  146. Keiyot
    December 17, 2008 at 3:19 am

    Barsetio

    Kongoi missing….If THIS KE thinks they can form an assasination squad against Kalenjins….What shall we be doing? Shall we be in UN camps?

    Go assasinate mungikis for they decapitate at least 600 Kikuyus a year!!! Last month they cut SIX in OTHOYA alone

    yellow

    Yes this a HATE BLOG against Kalenjins…..its only when we joined that COWARDS like YELLOW flew away

  147. barsetio
    December 16, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    ayellow..
    your yellow rhetoric wont help you here.stick to the issues of this blog.this blog is actually and indirectly kales.it is a kale hate campaign blog.so join the fray,but at least dont remain yellow,you must belong or not at all,you are for them or for us.

    dont spoil the hope thing.it still lives,the hope of a free society,the hope of a corruption free country,the hope of equality of tribes in kenya,the hope of a more democratic governance,the hope of free and fair elections,the hope of equatable distribution of resources and equal opportunity for all,the hope of getting a new representative and inclusive constitution,the hope of development of infrastructure on all areas of our country without any regional biases,the hope of equal justice for all,yes the hope of a free media,and yes the hope that impunity will not prevail again in our country.

    and finally the hope that people like KE will see the light and understand that kenya will not be build by cowards like him or her or they who believe that the only way forward for kenya is establishing a parrallel of israeli kidon unit ,to assasinate kenyans and for that reason citizens and particularly accoding to him/her/they kalenjins.

  148. ayellow
    December 16, 2008 at 9:36 am

    can you just change this particular blog to a Kale blog. It really sucks of late. Infact just converse in Kalle thruout. Disgusting!!!! And if you think you are taking over in 2012…….i cant help but just appreciate the height of hope

  149. Anonymous
    December 11, 2008 at 7:53 am

    sirorei,
    Back in the year 2006,a gang insinuated to be linked with the mungiki thing terrorized residents of kapseret ELD and crest by killing a woman whose husband was away and threw her body in a well.
    The kalenjins suffered silently as they strived to sort diplomatic soln.the terrorists took the silence as a weakness and carried on with their inhuman acts, as they tried to spread it to other parts. The youths stood and decided to face them. It took them a couple of days and things were back to normal.

    At a place called sigawet in ELD. An ambitious young boy named Benjamin Kibet was shot from behind at a very close range by the G.SU for allegedly participating in a proscribed demo. He was innocent.

    At a place called maili nne in ELD. Two young men were crippled by close range bullets and one young man shot dead when he could not run when the residents were attacked by the so called “mungiki gangs”

    our pple should be encouraged and mobilised to take charge of their affairs,politically socially and economically.at least there is a step ahead in the way the sell of maize is being conducted.

  150. kiptooarap sirorei
    December 10, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    i want to raise the awareness of all kalenjins about the blight of four of our own,they are:

    STEPHEN KIPROTICH LETING
    EMMANUEL KIPTOO LAMAI
    CLEMENT KIPKEMEI LAMAI
    JULIUS NYONGIO RONO

    These four are in jail now,they are suspects,on eight counts of murder charges related to kiambaa massacre.

    i want to say that under the curcumstances then it was had for anyone to identify who did what,how they arrived at this four it is hard to tell,most probably the kikuyu who knew them ,knew their names might have just said they saw them do this heinous act…this is not fair…there is no justice here and it is a time bomb if at all the gov through the prosecution lawyers convict this four for this crime……

    the charges state that on 1st jan they murdered eight people…eight against four is not real…

    this a continuation of persecution of our people by this kikuyu regime,first they dismissed thousands from civil service in 2002-2007,now they are using jail and courts to indimitate our people…some have been murdered,some are in the assasination lists…

    when will this come to an end…

    in early 2003upto 2005 there was a gang who terrorised kalenjin residents in kiambaa,kapseret area of eldoret.they vendalized property,they sodomised residents and even killed one at the kiambba area with a G3 gun.this enraged the locals so much that they actually swore against the suspected communities,whose objective it was learned later wanted to scare kalenjins away so that they could buy land in the areas between eldoret town and the eldoret internationnal airport.this could explain the heinous act that occured at kiambaa area after the elections….this was time bomb..

    i warn to warn again that kalenjins are closely watching how their youths and leaders are being treated by this regime..it is yet another time bomb waiting for an opportune moment to happen.people learn how to do things better,they evolve slowly by slowly…let all take heed kenya belongs to us all.

    let all rally behind the four victimized by this regime….yet four of our own people..

    we are continuing to suffer under this kikuyu in silence…

  151. ARAP SIROREI
    December 7, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    KENYANENTREPRENUER,
    THANK YOU KEIYOT,WERE, KONGOI CHEBKELBAI…
    allow me to ask this ke a question,only one,why do you divorce rift valley from other areas when it comes to post election violence?

    kale kaa kwa odm,we will trust the reformists with change agenda………..

    arap rutto do not be yoked again with conformists,i am aware you drunk some nyahururu tea recently,the tea testers believe the kericho and chebut tea tests even better.we are in odm until saa tisa when we always begin chebtilet.
    kiptoo arap sirorei
    sirorei@yahoo.com

  152. Keiyot
    December 7, 2008 at 7:25 am

    arap siror ei

    I want to thank you very much for the answer you have given the KALENJIN HATER NO 1 (more even than IDPS) aka KE….I doubt wether he is man…Men never hate that much ..they FIGHT or shut up.

    Do not worry at all arap sirorei. If our people could sponteneously evict 500000 thousands people in two days using rungus bow & arrow and spear and in DEFENCE of a LUO candidate (obama must know this) against a sitting government HENCE changing the course of history…….

    Ask youself then HOW much we can do with an AK and a PLANNED program in DEFENCE NOT OF LUO but OURSELVES……

    I can asure we are aware of all these things and YOU KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS.

    As for Kibaki…He is a ‘descent man’ . He stole the election and now he is shamefully taging like …….”KIBAKI & RAILA have decided”…that is very painful for Kibaki and especially the mountain people

    Kongoi missing sir or ei

  153. arap sirorei
    December 6, 2008 at 10:17 pm

    kenyanentreprenuer
    whichever way mr ke we do not need an equivalent of a kidon unit in kenya.i understand that at your instigation in this blog there is already an outfit that is out there stoking citizens ready to kill,and or assasinate.it is said it is branch that is privy to intelligence information from the relevant bereaus in kenya.it is also said it works in cohorts with the outlawed mungiki outfit…it is called the ”mungiki 7thbrigade”already we are asking questions concerning the mp for ainapmoi if infact the crime was executed by this outfit

    it also said its operations is double pronged,there are those collecting and colating data that incriminate those who you want eliminated in the violence sagai.e.funding and or sponsoring violence.here there are a team of kikuyu lawyers,kikuyu nsis employees collecting and analysing data for credible court cases against kalenjins.we have reliable information that the evidence already collected do not meet the ICC STANDARDS and that it will be hard to bring those mentioned to appear before the tribinal becouse of lack of credible evidence….just a sum of hate vendatta that is not substantive and not backed by any tangible evidence….it is the fury of people who lost twice …beaten in your own game

    it is said that you want to teach kalenjins a lesson so that they do not repeat this again….are you sure this is the remedy.are you sure holding youths indefinately in prison without appearing in court will allow your kin to settle in their land and hence deter future escalations?

    what caused the violence mr KE is the awareness of the kenyan poppulation of the goings on intheir country.

    kenyans know that kibaki never won,kenyans know that kibaki was willing to hand over power to raila,only martha,michuki,lucy and a few insiders stuck to their guns and armtwisted kivuitu and gichuru.hence the swearing in of a loser…why did kivuitu repetedly say it was impossible to know who won…how did they arrive at kibaki if infact this was the case….the exit polls indicated otherwise…the republican institute indicated raila won by a CERTAIN margin!

    MR KE what would have happened if moi had refused to handover power to kibaki in 2002? this is exactly what would have happened then,mark my words if it repeats again you will be out there trying to incriminate somebody you hate….for exactly the same reasons.

    the violence in its initial stages was sponteneous,it mutated along the way to assume monstorous propotions that left everybody wondering what it is that happened to kenya.

    the intelligence filtering to the statehouse then was that it is going to die down with time,this notion explains the poor handling of the violence by the police force.it is said that kenyans are not career rebel oriented people so they were not going to sustain this kind of thing for too long,they were going to get tired and go back to school or farming or go about their bussinesses,this was not going to be the case………..it continued and continued and scared the hell out of everybody.

    KE WHAT ANSWERS DO YOU WANT FROM ME?wHAT DID WAKI SAY CAUSED THE PEV?BUNGLED UP ELECTION,MUDDLED UP ELECTION,FRADULENT ELECTION,FRAUD IN THE 2007 ELECTION…

    NOT WILLIAM SAMOEI ARAP RUTTO ,HE WAS NOT IN MOMBASA,OR KISUMU,OR IN KIBERA…OR DONDORA OR KAMUKUNJI..LEAVE HIM ALONE,LEAVE HIM OUT OF YOUR HATE VENTDATTA,your surely hate kalenjins,you love them to death…what are you going to do about it?

    OK YOUR QUESTION ASIDE….

    i have been following interestingly the political developments in kenya,i now know that the 2012 election will be between conformists and reformists,a real vihecle of convinience to knock on the doors of state house,i am suprised to learn even total man has a vision for kenya in his new found party.the battle royale if all things remain constant and go as they look…

    CONFORMISTS REFORMISTS
    uhuru kenyatta raila omolo
    kalonzo musyoka martha karua
    george saitoti gitobu imanyara
    njenga karume charity ngilu

    undecided/swing voters
    all kalenjins/all meru and embu/ swing vote

    opportunists
    all luyhas,kisiis
    i currently admire the progress made by martha karua in the reform front….

    at the end of the day kenyan will still remain our home
    ane kiptoo arap sirorei
    GOD BLESS KENYA

  154. kenyanentrepreneur
    December 6, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    Arap Sirorei:

    Do you believe the violence in the rift valley was planned or was it spontaneous?

  155. arap sirorei
    December 5, 2008 at 6:39 pm

    bosire
    i dont know where you came from,i have not the slightest idea if you are at all in the know of why this blog exists….suprisingly you jump in and utter words that are totally out of context.we know and recognize the holy word of GOD,but we aint understanding the person of you FROM YOUR ALLEGATIONS.

    WE HAVE BEEN BATTLING WITH those that want to see THE FORMATION OF ”A special assasination unit,a parallel of israeli kidon unit,ostensibly to assasinate kalenjins like william rutto and others.that is why we went up against this outfit,will you recant your words now

  156. Keiyot
    December 5, 2008 at 2:03 am

    Bosire

    You must see even the Title of this Blog condemns a Man un heard on purely ethnic grounds. WE CANNOT turn the other. Otherwise you sond a WISE man and positive. But remember when you pray to start with
    Yourself,Your Family,Your Neighbours,Relatives,Village,Your Tribe,Neigbouring Tribe and so on…..in that order. Thats what GOD expects. CHARITY begins at home :grin:

    Keneth K.

    You are right..we have to work. Poverty is Africas enemy NO ONE….but never forget the duty to defend your family…..

    Ken & Bosire be blessed

  157. KENNETH K
    December 5, 2008 at 1:05 am

    Bosire,
    there comes a time when you’ll have to stand up and say the truth, how ever how much it hurts.
    how ever life has to carry on in a way that we programme it.
    in my comments i might have been bitter when replying to my coleagues on the blog,…….however that doesnt imply my stand ethnically.i’m kenyan and i love my fellow compatriots……….i will not want to say things that will make you happy just to be socially or polically right….id rather say the truth and stand to be corrected,if neccessary.

    keiyot.
    thanks for encouragement and attitude that is positve.lets encorage each other to see the glass of water as half full and not half empty….and believe you me,we will make it…mobilise others in the fight against poverty and ignorance…
    we will make it..

    long live Eldoret.long live kenyans.

  158. Bosire
    December 4, 2008 at 6:06 pm

    Keiyot say God bless Kenya, encourage all Kenyans to work hard and do good things. Kenya is all we have as a home whether you are from whichever tribe. Kanyau, Mbaki, Kenneth and Sirorei you owe other Kenyans an apology for misrepresenting them and also for tarnishing our global image through your posts. God had a purpose when he put all tribes in Kenya. You will be very surprised to find out that actually you have more relatives in the next tribe than the one you think you belong. Who knows your daughter or sister will get married to what you think is enemy. Look at the accident that happened early today; Railas son in the same Mercedes with Kenyattas racing against some special branch sons BMW. These guys you waste your time on are not enemies behind the scene they are like brothers. Bottom line, stop abusing each other, stop tribal glorification. It did not get the Nazi Germans anywhere. Whether you like it you are all Kenyans and our destiny is intertwined. May God bless you all, may God Bless Kenya.

  159. Keiyot
    December 4, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Keneth K

    Thank very much….am based in ELDORET (Eltret)! Things are fine here.Cool weather as usual… Perfect! Security is very good …None dares displace even a spanner or throw a spanner into our works!!! Am teaching the kids the latest IT skills…We have to bring the next generation of morans (mureniks)

    GOD bless the Kalenjins…Sere. Nko uit notok

  160. KENNETH K
    December 4, 2008 at 9:04 am

    Keiyot and arap sirorei
    it has downed to them all that we are their to stay and to say.look around and you’ll find none of them standing.even after bragging about hague,deadman walking and other trash,it has downed to them that it is just a passing cloud,and we are here to stay and say.
    gentlemen,lets work smart as we prepare for a take over come twenty twelve.

    Kenneth k

  161. Keiyot
    December 4, 2008 at 6:27 am

    arap sirorei

    you see how it works! kiruk ne samo!,kiruk ne tui!,kiruk ne arus ! We swear by the black, blue and samo colours!!! TRY .Tell them arap siror ei….We never threaten anybody….we just do

  162. Keiyot
    December 4, 2008 at 6:20 am

    arap siror ei

    :grin: Weis

  163. kanyau
    December 4, 2008 at 5:50 am

    Kiptoo arap sirorei
    and
    Keiyot

    now that the story has changed to nonsense, never mention my name again. I will also try very hard not to reply to your nonsensical comments. Iam busy you kirgit(fighter bull) dont mind the spelling am not a kalenjin guru. We have not healed from PEV. Please I dont want your comments. MARK MY WORDS THEY ARE FINAL

  164. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 30, 2008 at 3:08 pm

    you know keiyot when they talked about blood in a calabash i knew we were daeling with mungiki….he was probably thinking about the body parts and the blood they drink during their bizarre oathing in thomson falls or somewhere in muranga…

    now kalenjins wake up………..never take any chances with this people..they have fully revealed themselves who they are….

    kale fanya kazi….wenye wanasoma wasome kwa bidii…hapa hakuna mchezo..hii ni kenya…..wenye wanafanya biashara wafanye kwa uherefu na uangalifu…

    tuko hapa kuhishi na kufaulu….

    kongoi kotab kalenjin,kongoi tugen,kongoi keiyo ,kongoi nandi,kongoi merkwet,kongoi bikab tulwab kony,kongoi sabei,kongoi kipsigis,kongoi kimugon bikab kobokot.
    .
    sere bikyok.ingokerok bun koimenit

    ane kiptoo arap sirorei,kaplelach che mi cheko mo!
    ingen n’go kitale chang cheko

  165. Keiyot
    November 30, 2008 at 5:20 am

    Meant
    Mbaki & Kanyau were SAME person…pcychos

  166. Keiyot
    November 30, 2008 at 5:17 am

    arap siror ei

    Its amazing..you mean they took their Mau Mau heroes to the rift valley….? The mau mau are their ‘toughest’……wow

    Mbaki & Kanyau were probably NONE person…They sounded sort of deranged!!!

  167. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 28, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    hey kanyau and mbaki i hope to meet you too in state house.the plane to hague has finally detoured to statehouse.may be lucy will have mokimoo ready munene.namimi nasema why not…tokuonana roshinee wanene .i want to have a real taste of muratina…we will bring mursik and keyanik too.just as we took it to kenyatta and sipped keyanik with his tail switch………..and

  168. arap kalya
    November 28, 2008 at 9:29 am

    why are you so sceptic about Ruto? Was Ruto in State House organizing the Naivasha killings? Where was Ruto when The Church was burnt in Eldoret? was he part? You argument is funding the chaos. My question here is Do you have any substantial evidence to support your argument or just going as per the hearsay?

    cant you think of posible solution instead of attacking an individual? The problems in rift valley will only come to an end if the kyuks stopped voting blindly with their cousins from central where after the polls they are forgotten jand left to pay for their mistakes. indeed kalenjins are the most humble communities in Rift valley. They are the most welcoming tribe thats why all communities are found there leaving happily. i personally is a resident of rift. i embrace peace but when will these kyuks stop voting with their cousins?

    You may go underground if you like. Ruto is my MP. we love him very much. He is a true hero and a real kalenjin. we are proud of him. we kalenjins will never see him crucified.

    Crucify him and will see Eld become a no go ZONE.

  169. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 28, 2008 at 1:29 am

    keiyot did you see kanyau,i hope he went to build the nation too….two down actually..or i hear the mungiki is chasing them back to rift valley again….keiyot..you should see some of the deserted towns in muranga ,nyeri,banana-kiambu and even limuru and laikipia..the mungiki law in operation…the menace that is an end in itself…clean your house first-the house of mumbi in siege.they rose up as liberators of mumbi house but now it is the enemy of all progressive bussinesses in nyumba ya mumbi…pay taxes to mungiki or quit bussiness oparation.keiyot this people pay taxes twice……….to the gov and to mungiki …that’s why they really have to work real hard.when kenyatta took power he told the mau-mau fighters they had found land for them somewhere,they were uprooted in droves and brought to peoples land in rift valley,they left their land which was taken by the elites as they enlarged what they initially had at the expense of these poor fighters and peasants, if they didnt know anything about these land ,why didnt they themselves take this rift valley land,kwa sababu walijua mambi iko mbele……

  170. Keiyot
    November 27, 2008 at 1:02 am

    one more down . :grin:

  171. Mbaki
    November 26, 2008 at 12:17 pm

    Keiyot,
    Bye elder. At least i can collect spelling mistakes. First learn how to spell in English and then come to the internet. We are thick and thieves. Who are you. Forget the tribes. That is nonsense. Who are you personally?. At the end of the day, it not your tribe, it is you.
    Goodbye. You have been taken by a woman. I am a woman and i despise you. Now go and take it up with men. Go and compare your IQ with that of your fellow elders. Now that i know that you and your pals are elders, i have nothing but despise for you. Do you see that men left this blog. They went to build the nation. They only show up when it is necessary. You are below men.
    Goodbye, my leave is over, i have gone to build the nation. Keep dotting “elders”

  172. Keiyot
    November 26, 2008 at 3:17 am

    Mbaki

    My IQ my be below avarage BUT its certainly higher than that of MBAKI.

    You have nothing to say except to collect sperring misthakithsi….

    Arap Siror Ei

    Keep talking them sense….It really scares them when they realise they are NOT ONLY THIEVES BUT THICKER TOO

  173. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 25, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    thanks for not wanting the kales annhilated that is the first time ever you talked positive mabaki

  174. Mbaki
    November 25, 2008 at 3:38 pm

    kiptoo arap sirorei,
    Justice for all victims of PEV and respect for elders is too big a topic for you. Let us downgrade and break it down to the level of skimmed milk, calabashes and wiping our noses and asses. I am glad that now the calabashes are not full of human blood. Oh! we have learned something. Calabashes and guards are for storing skimmed milk not human blood. By the way it is not crab, it is crap. Got that, master teacher!. Please pass me that mukimu and irio. It taste so good. I am rehearsing for the party in Hague courtesy of Sirorei. You forgot Nyama Choma and beer on the menu. Aren’t you providing those two. Glad you are making the menu. Lets wait and see about my futile imagination. Men! oh Men!. Oh the elders. Who cares. I do not want Kalenjins annihilated. I just want justice for the PEV victims no matter where they come from in Kenya. Keiyot, the elder who writes trash on the internet. We have broken new grounds.

  175. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 25, 2008 at 1:45 pm

    mbaki ,
    you have been turned from a champion of justice,into a primary school teacher who teach others manners and respect of elders.how much of this crab do you know…keiyot will lecture you on a whole lot of this stuff….he is a credible elder and master teacher on this aspects.

    mbaki stick to your course and be focused on your wish to see all kales annhilated from the face of the earth…….at least you will eat mokimoo in your table in peace,irio will be served in hague during the hearings of post election violence, at least the table will be bountiful…that is what you are preoccupied with….the kalenjins will bring calabashes full of skimmmed milk for their heroes and sinendet too…

    mbaki your futile imagination will be realized in hague….

  176. Mbaki
    November 25, 2008 at 10:46 am

    Keiyot,
    I now you are happy he is the minister of agriculture. I think you are uncultured and your IQ is below average. Keep talking. Men i am beyond your nonsense. Moi ruled for 24 years and nobody called him names. I would never call any head of state or any prime minister of a state names. That is all i needed Keiyot and company. I do not believe in a conversation with a people who have no culture. People who have no respect for the elders. I would never call Moi or Raila or any any other leader names no matter how bad they are. Please don’t mention me in your disrespecting escapades. I am not like you. At least i have some class and i do not keep talking about British, America. I am contented being an African. Men, we have a long way to go. You are mannerless.

  177. Keiyot
    November 25, 2008 at 7:54 am

    Keneth K

    Weis! Tell them. Mr Ruto (Minister of Agriculture Kenya (Toads) Gov) is just way way way Ahead . ‘Lo missing’

    The incorigible thieves are seething with jeolousy from pure Kalenjin Logic…..The westerners acknowledge him…(they can tell sense)….They tried to introduce genocide..oh…cleansing but they were reminded ‘THE ELECTION DOES NOT MEET THE STANDARDS”…..Mr Wood (British Ambaseduer) Told the TOAD to is FACE his Gov was illegit when the toad was crying Genocide EVEN AS as a ‘comander in chief’
    wow

    Keneth K….Next Time you write Rutos[Minister of Agriculture] name remind them he is the OFFICIAL MINISTER of AGRICULTURE with the Toads consent or no consent

  178. KENNETH K
    November 25, 2008 at 5:47 am

    William Ruto

    “I hope the President will this time around match his words with action.”
    William Ruto quote

    “The Government wants to kill democracy by registering more parties while it has failed to contain hunger and insecurity.”
    William Ruto quote

    “The government that was elected through democratic process should rule by the law. It is a government inviting the wrath of the people.”
    William Ruto quote

    “The era of making unilateral decisions is over, and unless the government changes the way it does the business of the house, you will continue to see more of what you saw today.”
    William Ruto quote

    “We in ODM are ready for dialogue with the Government over the review process, but if it insists to have its own way, we will have no alternative but to come with a parallel panel.”
    William Ruto quote

    “I have learnt that they want to test the feeling of the people on the Wako Draft and pass the same message to the Government.”
    William Ruto quote

    guys you will surely agree with me that this fellow.HON WILLIAM KIPCHIRCHIR SAMOEI ARAP RUTO is not even supposed to be in kenya…HE IS SUPPOSED TO BE IN HAGUE HEADING THE JUDICIARY PROCESSES,OR RATHER SHOULD HAVE TAKEN OVER FROM KOFFI ANNAN ON THE UN SECRETERIAT.

  179. Keiyot
    November 25, 2008 at 2:40 am

    Mbaki

    Yo do not get it! Mr Ruto (Minister of Agriculture GoK (Toads Gov)) is recongized in the WORLD as a minister of agriculture. That is a FACT.

    Well as for smaller foot warriors they SPLIT the gov of the TOAD as you have acknowledged above…In short they OUTWITTED THE TOAD……and his crazed TOADESS and thats an achievement!!! what do ya say?

  180. Mbaki
    November 24, 2008 at 1:27 pm

    # ANONIMUS,
    Yes, give me food and let us start from there. Keep following my posts. I like that. I am very hungry. Give me food buddy and no poisoned food. I know killing is your calling card.

    # Keiyot,
    I want them all in Hague. By the way the toad in state house outwitted all of us. He is still the toad in state house and he is recognized worldwide as the president. Where are the foot soldiers recognized?. Soon they will be recognized in Hague or in a tribunal. Damn, i am praying Hague. It is amazing you say Kibaki government. They are two governments. One for Raila in which Ruto belongs and the other one for Kibaki. Now you say it is Kibaki Government. It just shows how the toad has outwitted all of you. Keep doing the dirty job for the toad.

  181. Keiyot
    November 24, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Mbaki

    Now Ruto (MINISTER FOR AGRICULTURE IN THE KIBAKI GOVERNMENT) has spoken….He wants either Hauge or Local !! what do you want ?

    Further questions you may ask the appointing authority a.ka. TOAD ON THE HILL

  182. ANONIMUS
    November 24, 2008 at 9:07 am

    “I know you are aiming a bow and an arrow at your computer. I am not there. Please spare your computer.”MBAKI i wont waste my arrow and energy on you.the best i can do for you is to give you food…..i,ve followed on your post and that seems to be your major concern<<<putting food on my table<<<<<<

    seems you are hungry.

  183. Mbaki
    November 23, 2008 at 11:27 pm

    Oh ya Anonimus, I am beyond your tribal chiefs. Let us see me burn. Ruto my ass. You sound insane keeping on telling us ruto, Karua, saitoti Kenyatta. When is Hague?. The merchants of human blood in a calabash can be shipped there. It is as though you know ruto. Men i do not care whether he is your father or “mother”. At least i did not burn children and cripples in church. Anonimus, damn your community, school children are eating grass. Picture that, are you scared?. May be you are. I will burn and you will eat grass like a cow. I know you are aiming a bow and an arrow at your computer. I am not there. Please spare your computer. Times are tough. On a second thought, just shoot your computer, you might just get me. Better still, burn it, you might just burn me. Let the game start, sharp shooter.

  184. ANONIMUS
    November 23, 2008 at 11:11 am

    AND THAT FOOL IS YOU MBAKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    RUTO WILL NOT BURN WITH YOU………DIE ALONE AS YOU PAY FOR YOUR INJUSTICE AND THAT OF YOUR PREDECESSORS……

  185. Mbaki
    November 23, 2008 at 4:40 am

    There is a saying that a fool is like a bee hive. We are looking for somebody to burn with us in Hague but i guess we will be in for a rude shock. No wonder we are talking of martha karua and saitoti. It is time to carry our crosses. No hiding in the tribal mass. The little boys who used crude weapons are possibly tortured to death in prison. The forgotten “heroes”. Oh boy, a fool is like a bee hive.

  186. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 21, 2008 at 1:42 am

    dave
    dave you are a kikuyu,stop this impersonation,step right out and speak verbatim as a proud kyuk looking for support from anywhere possible.

    hey guys tell martha karua and saitoti that they cannot waki their way out to state house,or hague their way out to presidency.

    they have to deliver especially on the new constitution,this she has failed miserably given that it has been he docket..

    also if she misses on the waki list contained in the secret envelope all should then know who was privy to the formulation of the list that was handed to koffi annan…

    she financed naivasha massacre…………..

  187. Anonymous
    November 20, 2008 at 4:20 am

    Dave

    You are NO Kamba!!! Kambas never say aguabo…..Kikuyu thievery all over!!!
    Leave the Kalenjin alone………they are just 10% of Kenya yet they make everyone WET and PANT and WET

  188. Gatlin
    November 19, 2008 at 9:26 pm

    In some circles it is said Ruto claims that he donated 400 million to ODM which the treasurer disputes. 400 million used between November and December! What for?. Was this money used to pay ‘Bijana yetu”?. The police should investigate how William Ruto spent 400 million, Zakayo Cheruiyot 40 million, Nqajib Balala 20 million and others in two months. Remember these are people who claim they are marginalized and they can ‘Donate” these kinds of monies!!. They are also interested in developing ‘their’ people. I ask; How many small businesses can be started by the staggering 1 billion spent by the Kalenjin politicians in the campaigns; or was it organizing for crimes against Humanity?. Kenneth K. and company how much of this money was given to you?, or are you living from hand to mouth?. Reading about these monies I understand why Kalenjins were so bitter when the election was ‘stolen’ (remember nobody can prove this even ODM could not when they were called by Justice Keringler). The reason of the bitterness is the money they spent. After all who cannot cry if you invest 1 billion and there are no returns.

  189. Dave Mutiso
    November 19, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    You dave,thats not the meaning of this blog.That was too harsh but partly its true.

  190. Dave Mutiso
    November 19, 2008 at 6:01 pm

    You dave,thats not the meaning of this blog.That was too hash but partly its true.

  191. Dave Mutiso
    November 19, 2008 at 5:55 pm

    Ok:Look,its time gone and long.You know,I just admire how the kyuks operate!!!!They hold consinderable potion of wealth in kenya apperently that is claimed by others empty minded as stolen wealth!!they just know how to work hard and not mainly just look at one channel.Whe Moi destroyed them,most of them are abroad and working very hard unlike many other communities that believe just at olden days styles still.Although we are in twenty first century,I think its worth it having broad mind just not that one headed like the hourse we all know.If we Love each other and educate each other at all aspects,then our nation will flrsh.Look,Jews are the most blessed people on earth,In this country of ours We are all blessed BUT some communities refuses to use their BRAINS like HUMAN BEINGS and are Godly given and free;WHY!!!WHY!!We have all to learn from Kyuks!!!!We Kambas we admire them and the values they live on.They are in all and at all with numerous sort of Odds!!!matatus,farming,white clr jobs,constrctns,pgas and everything that you may think of being on earth!!!You see,Luos are Blessed in studying to the most highest levels that we think of,They have altimately and certainly realised that blessing and have made use of it all with all the stregth!!!.Now,again look and think about this,How many years Moi ruled?Ruto himself milked the Kenya pipeline till almost culpsd.After 24 years of painful ruling and agression of moi regime that really Moi tryed to help his people and they failed coz of just that simple mathematics of not using the Brains and its free man why,why,why tell me they have had all the chance and now finally somebody they call Ruto still was thinking is Moi in Power????

    I truely admire Aguabo style and how Aguabo is our PM and you know what;Aguabo gona remain executive while Ruto sijui arap Jana will be in Hague!Murderer who swallowed 6 months years old baby,You protect that Man?Discusting!!!
    Good day man.

  192. Anonymous
    November 19, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Keneth K

    Stop commenting on this…Dont you see that this Kikuyus feel so low (since they had been bragin all along….they are tought..oh..oh mau mau oh oh mungiki oh )..They were really sorted by ‘primitive arrow rungu wielding juveniles)…So they need some form of revenge…they Want any big Kalenjin punished to asuage their cowardice…Its all psychological…Even if you were a Kikuyu you would feel the same when 500000 of your ‘toughees’ were routed in two days FLAT whith Kibaki CC,Gachangi NSIS,all DCS in RV Kuyks, Virtually all armed forces are Kyuks or Kyuk related watching and doing ZERO ..wow…..

    Its true also Kalenjins never acuse anybody….they never cry like Kiuk (they are begging outsiders (hauge) to take any Kalenjin…….

    Mark my words: NONE will find RUTO guilty:

    Impunity also CANNOT END when the thiefs are enjoying power in state house

    What Kikuyus should ASK KIBAKI is …why do you use our blood to toad in state house…..

  193. KENNETH K
    November 19, 2008 at 10:52 am

    KEN
    Talking of anger,cherish and your so called power of democracy…..Do you think all kenyans are happy now that kibaki is in power following an open flawn election???
    and is that what you call power of democracy???
    Can you give an incidence where you overheard samoei ruto preaching heatred,masterminded clashes or rather would you please give us glimbse or evidence of the meeting you are insinuating,that ruto held at his home???

    from your coments,one can easly discern that you’ve never gone past limuru from nairobi or rather central province.
    dont just brag because you hear others talk.look for facts
    It is clear that even leaders from central took part in the post election violence,
    but examin this blog from the first post and youll find that no body from the rift has mentioned them any howly.
    i agree with you that rutto migt be taken to the hague,but only after kibaki,kivuitu and the dream team that took part in the rigging has been convicted.

  194. ken.
    November 18, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    No one can imagine the unger and pain that people who cherish the power of democracy and freedom has,to still still see Ruto walking and holding press conferences.
    They should be no existence of him and any one who watched how crimes against communities were commited will agree with me to day that;Ruto belongs to some where else not in luxuries that he lives in.

    Iam sure Ruto deep inside his heart although he was the main mastermind of the church massacre where we all know our nation lost very old and as young as six months old baby,he still imagine himself with a motorcade being the president or prime minister of our Nation.

    Ruto has the wrong place here on earth,and not lucky this time the way they have been ethnicly cleansing the minority tribes around rift valley just becaurse they do better than his community.Instead of embrassing hard work to his people to do well like other communities he preach hate.

    Now,Ruto is a confused person,wanted in hague by ICC soon or later and evidence even of the meeting he held at his own home with his members of community youth to give orders of criminal acts on the table.

    Stop trying to victimise Aguabo at all saying the he reached up and your Kalenjin community never got what they were promised!Thats a shame coming from a politicians mouth with a ministry!You Deliver for all Kenyans or Kalenjins?You first foght for all those who are inside to be released after post elections violence coz of you knew they will and have told the truth you trained and funded them!Now you are again trying to win back-up from your people by saying Aguabo betrayed you.Aguabo just know how to play it and Unlucky you you have No Moi or Biwott Now ITS MATHA KARUA JUSTICE MINISTER.JUSTICE WILL BE DONE TO YOU BY THE SAME PEOPLE WHOM YOU DENIED JUSTICE EVEN IF MOST OF THEM ARE DEAD!

    KEN.

  195. Mbaki
    November 18, 2008 at 10:44 am

    Anonymous,
    What do you mean?. If you were the 500, 000 refugees you are talking about, would you hang around to watch a fully grown men armed with bows and arrows or machettes. Just imagine that scene. You do not know whether you are looking at an orangatung or a zinjanthropus. Who else fight like that?. You know why the world get shaken when reminded of Rwanda, the kind of weapon they used to kill each other. That primitivity is unfathomable.

    kiptoo arap sirorei,
    Yes, you just found medicine for me in a calabash full of human blood. Even the saints run away from such kind of stuff. No matter what you say all those you are defending will be prosecuted one way or another and if not, you know what happens………nature take its course, they take a dive downward in planes. Have you forgotten brother!. Brother i am done with you but i will be back to cheer the prosecution of all those politicians and business fraternity who participated in any way, shape or form in the killing of Kenyan. Boy, it will be a great day.

  196. joe
    November 18, 2008 at 3:24 am

    For sure ruto must know that his days have come to an end, this is not that moi’s time when they organised the YK92 including forming war groups to chase innocent kenyans out of there firms, I reside in eldoret but for sure I can say I listened to ruto “the late” in political world” talking to his so called supports and was shocked to hear hi say “toeni hii madoadoa hapa” remove this prints here, surely is he in his right state of mind but once again ruto should not pretend to be fighting for the interests of kenyans while he”ruto” is a trible, ruthless, ill person, he has missled his tribe but they the kales are yet to come to terms with the reality because the dawn has finally come to many kenyans,and let him not think that he will organise another troop of his unqulified soldiers to cause war no no no this time he will not survive it. :evil:

  197. Anonymous
    November 18, 2008 at 2:16 am

    Mbaki

    500000 thousands refugees in two days!!! by primitive weapons….(they do not know how to use 21st century weapons)

  198. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 17, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    mbaki
    you have been arguing with this kind of mentality, and i sure enough was able to find your medicine given your two immediate responses.my talk was an afront to confront your backward looking mentality,infact 18th century mentality,where you kill one monkey to deter other monkeys from raiding your farm ,it wont work like that dude….

    i borrowed kibaki’s word have a forward looking mentality..dont think we are only preoccupied with this arrows,you use to call us ngombe for along time,mjinga akierefuka,mwerefu yu mashakani..infact one of you branded one of us a passing cloud,he later turned out to be the one that passed away from the political limelight.so keep doing what you do best and we too do similarly…

  199. Mbaki
    November 17, 2008 at 11:01 am

    kiptoo arap sirorei,
    At the end of the day, i want to put food on my table but i guess may be some people possibly you want to put a calabash full of human blood on their tables courtesy of bows and arrows. Let us wait and see what kind of a bullet the Hague is. You are unbelievable. A smart person especially in the current world does not talk of their tribe as organized for war with zinjanthropus weapons. People are fighting with their brains. They are sending people to the moon to plant their country’s flags. It is good you are talking of some people seceding. May be it is a good idea. How does one reason with a mind that lionizes war with crude weapons in the 21st century?.

  200. Mbaki
    November 17, 2008 at 10:43 am

    arap siroreion,
    You are telling me and my people, to bring harmony to kenya. This looks like an inferiority complex on your part. What about your people?. What are they doing to bring harmony to Kenya. For your information, it is only the insane who keep talking about my tribe and my people. I am not for the tribe. Your “my tribal” people sound like child crap to me. The world is a million times bigger than Kalenjins or kikuyus or Luos or whoever else. I think your understanding of stuff is very low. Concerning the arrowheads and poison, what can i say. Men, i guess you are yet to understand our current capitalism world. No need to argue with you. I am happy you have patented it to shoot people. Please go to war with your bows and arrows and let me now concentrate on my mitumba business.

  201. kanyau
    November 17, 2008 at 10:35 am

    kiptoo
    I had decided to keep quiet but you have touched me where it hurts. Eti you said “Prescribed by the manufacturer”? to kill innocent kenyans? Is that the answer? and we expect peace to come in the near future with that kind of thinking from a learned person like you? am lost. You are war ready? because who is attacking you? dont you think you will remain behind coz while other tribes like kambas and merus are thinking of development you are busy thinking of war? and we are talking of the vision 2030? Is war something to be happy about?
    MOI ruled for 24 years and we accepted even if there was opposition from other tribes. Suppose its another person whole ruled for 24 years? if Kibaki ruled for 5 yrs and you killed 1500 people on average then you could have killed 24/5yrs = 4.8 (round off to 5 times) so 1500 x 5 = 7500. That is the minimum number you could have killed for 24 years we lived a lie.
    Why are you protecting your leaders dont we have ours also akina uhuru and we are not chest thamping that we will do this or that once they are found guilty? We dont talk highly of mungiki or taliban or any other organised groups but you talk highly of the killers (vijana wetu)
    Must there be someone on the lookout like a policeman, gsu, military to make sure that you dont kill your neighbour? Shouldnt it be natural that you even hide them from danger? You are very unique people. Luos will burn here and there and shout on top of their mountains but they somehow respect life.
    Now that you are telling people to hama once the envelop is open, do you think you will allowed to do what you did? The world is watching this time round. You are in Kenya’s black books but not all of you please change your ways and lets move forward we need each other so much.
    If you decide to chase me you will also get tired while chasing me. You decide to punish other people you also suffer in the process.

  202. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 16, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    mbaki
    hague will not be a magic bullet that will cure your pathological hatred against the kalenjins.
    you are out of touch with reality,you are outrightly down and out.you had better concentrate with your mitumba bussiness ….

    you will not always have your way.

    hague may end up exonorating the very people you want to see hanged…

    besides this man called william rutto who gives you nightmares is innocent…there will not be a single incident you or any of your people will bring before the hague to pin him down…

    he never contributed money,he never incited anybody,he never armed any group….

    kalenjins by their nature are war ready people and acutely and accurately organized….

    you can whine,cry ,agonize all your life but there is no solution that will come out of this hatred vendatta…you or any of your people had better design another practical route to follow the bring harmony and chesion amongst our people of kenya….or worse still you can cede from kenya so that you will not have to put up with the rest of us kenyans.becouse we are actually and by all practical means here to stay….

    you talked ill of our arrowheads and poison used,i want to let you know that they have been patented and nobody will steal it for any other use other than that prescribed by the manufucture.

  203. Mbaki
    November 13, 2008 at 10:13 am

    Kenneth K,
    I am happy you got the message. Peace is going to be reached after people pay for their actions either in Hague or in a local tribunal. This hague thing matter more than anything else. It is actually the only thing that matter because it will send a message that animalism is not going to be excused in the human world.

    lord,
    Ruto was appointed by Raila not Kibaki. Ruto is from ODM. This is the kind of misinformation that make the common man fight. Your question should have been, what does that say about Raila?.

  204. lord
    November 13, 2008 at 7:32 am

    All

    Ruto is the Mininter for Agriculture in Kenya. Appointted by Kibaki
    and that says a lot

    What do is say?

  205. KENNETH K
    November 13, 2008 at 1:01 am

    GUYS
    it’s about time now you concentrate on things that matter.
    you’ll agree with me that the first comment on this blog was on jan 08
    yet no peaceful step has been attained or rather approached,

    Nice time

  206. Mbaki
    November 12, 2008 at 7:14 pm

    Jtlin,
    It is really crap. It looks like he is walking dead too together with many other who murdered, pillaged and sponsored murder. Where do these people get off excusing murder and mayhem?. I do not care whether somebody is my father or mother, if they killed somebody, hurt somebody or destroyed property, that is where i draw a line. They all need to head to hague. I refuse any association with animals in human image.

  207. Jtlin
    November 12, 2008 at 4:38 pm

    Guys Ruto isn’t the only dead walking read this crap by kones in the standard of 8.11.2008 under politics. Titled Vendettas in the name of fighting impunity.
    http://www.eastandard.net/poli.....9&amp;

  208. Anonymous
    November 12, 2008 at 7:00 am

    he should be taken to hague. there was no justification whatsoever to burn women and children in churches-whether elections were stolen or not. this are just silly excuses from primitive minds.

    i think they perpetuators are not well informed about the consequencies of their actions. i’m not sure they knew what they were doing-because of their small minds and being naturally ignorant-because, what do they know? nothing

    it is a big shame that these fellows still hold public positions.

    i think this time round, there is no escape route.

  209. Mbaki
    November 11, 2008 at 10:42 am

    Pallo,
    That is the phrase, priests use to deal with questioning congregation so as to silence them. You must have judged our leaders to come to the conclusion that there is no one fit to rule come 2012. I thought that was the log in your eye. Stop the don’t judge bull shit. We have a problem that need to be judged first for us to come up with a solution.
    Excuse me. They kill, do not judge, they rape, do not judge, they burn down, do not judge. When they rape you or your family members, you will need a judgement and that is why we have judges. Forget that religious crap.

  210. Pallo
    November 11, 2008 at 3:30 am

    :cry: :cry: :cry: Its a pitty all the comments dont offer solution to many innocent kenyans.How can one deffend another with so much bitterness because they come from their tribe.The truth is all that are responsible for igniting violence and killings should be punished and face the full hands of the law.When this leaders take over,no one sleeps in their house or ride in their fancy vehicles.Enough of fake leadership.

    Its so painfull to note that we have no one fit to run for presidency come 2012 and we are just sitting on the fence and blaming each other.Infact all Mps should go home come 2012 and never come back to haunt us.The Obama victory should be a lesson to all of us to shun tribalism and hatred and work towards rebuilding our Nation.

    All the comments I have red so far lack character and integrity.Who said you can judge another.Even God himself said that before you cast a stone think of why u think u r better than the accused.Before you remove a spec from ua brothers eye then remove the log first from yours

  211. Mbaki
    November 11, 2008 at 2:16 am

    Kenneth K,
    “Talking of the “mark of rift valley people”yes we are proud and fond of our leaders because we are certain that they are genuine and credible
    to us.and we let others retain their right of either liking or disliking them.” —– Oh, yes you are certain they are genuine but what have they given you for 24 damn years, poverty and ignorance. Remember some were still leaders during Moi era. Tell about their genuinity to the birds. There is no leader who is genuine in Kenya. Get that through your head. For the umptenth time, i do not give a damn about all of them. For your information, i am going to make it just as i am making it right now with or without them. It is all about your leaders. None of them put food on my table and i could care less whether any of them is disliked or liked. I just want justice for every soul that was hurt in the beginning of the year.

  212. KENNETH K
    November 10, 2008 at 10:56 am

    Mbaki
    thanks for your comment.
    i how ever find it intricate to understand what you mean by saying that this politicians or rather leaders mean nothing to you.
    sirorei just mentioned something about obsolesence of the current constitution and the serious need to have a new one.we can all have our brillaint ideas and views but the determinant factor is the parliament.our future lies in the policies they come up with.they mean alot to us as a country and even individually.what we ought to do is to make sure that we have the right pple who can be trusted in leadership.THEY ARE THERE.but the determinant institutions are corrupt right from the judiciary,ECK,and executive.

    you talk about the dimerities of the block thing.if you really are sencere,you shouldnt be talking steriotypic of the rift valley.

    yes we want justice and especially for the innocent wananchi who fell victims in any manner following the post election violence.however if these determinant institution can not model the same,do you think it ‘s gona be easy to find it at the grass root level??

    ordinary kenyans are hard working i have no doubt about that.they,ve done every thing possible to fight poverty and ignorance but their efforts have been thwarted by these corrupt institutions and personalities that are determinants-remember the two major recent IPO’s.Ordinary kenyans took loans only to be dissaponted later.every body knows what was behind all these.

    Talking of the “mark of rift valley people”yes we are proud and fond of our leaders because we are certain that they are genuine and credible
    to us.and we let others retain their right of either liking or disliking them.

  213. Mbaki
    November 10, 2008 at 4:28 am

    kiptoo arap sirorei,
    The problem with us is being myopic. Now where is Martha Karua coming in?. I think i am beyong these so called leaders. Whether they are good or bad is none of my business. I just want justice for the innocent woman and child who was raped and sodomized. I want justice for the families who were uprooted all over the country from their homes. I want justice for the brutalized innocent men whose businesses were burned and whose bodies were mutilated in the name of circumsicion. I do not see how you can keep saying Martha Karua, William Ruto blah, blah, blah. This is being small minded. These people can fight their battles. Can you fight yours?.
    If today you met with a group of hooligans and they start attacking you, can you phone ruto to come and help you?. Let assume he picked up the phone. Do you think he would stop what he was doing to run to your aid?. I know i will never even know their phone numbers so i could care less who is prosecuted. All i am asking is for people to face the consequences of their actions. We should also stand up to be counted in this distribution of resources crap. If you cannot use what you have, there is no free lunch. How do people expect to gain from other peoples’ sweat?. If one want something, they wake up and work for it. We are not ready for welfare. It has to start with us going to school and taking our children to school too. It has to start with hard work from an individual level.
    Have you all noted that the international community is no longer talking of distribution of resources. They have mapped out our society. They have discovered that those who shout themselves horse about distribution of resources simply don’t want to work. They do not do anything to improve their lot. Next time these people get on the streets, they will be on their own. They want smooth roads but they do not initiate any economic activity in their constituencies. How are these roads going to be paid for?.
    sirorei, yes you can but you have to believe in yourself not in ruto. Let him fight his battles. The herd mentality only takes us backward. You will see how alliances will be formed. Some groups will be isolated for a long time. This is the reality of politics, that is why we as the common man need to be able to fed for ourselves without invoking these leaders and killing each other senselessly. If i were you i would never shout ruto or anyother leader just as i will never shout Karua. She has her own life, i have mine. The KE will keep funding this sight. I do not see why you do not want him/her to fund it yet you are always blogging here. I think this is a mark of people from Rift Valley. They do not want others to do what they do. I am sure if this blog is in Rift Valley, you would have aimed a bow and an arrows towards the KE so that you silence him/her. Men, this is really backward. We have to learn how to leave with competition. At any given moment, there will always be somebody who is better than us and that is what keep the world running.

  214. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 9, 2008 at 7:56 pm

    hey mbaki,kanyau and kenneth seems like we have agreed on something,we can thrash out the remaining contentious issues over a nyama choma.i will foot the bill so long as you do not come with anyone of your own community.

    lets all agree that we urgently need a comprehensive constitution that adresses this problems we have had for close to three decades,may be the current constitution governed effectively for the first ten years after independence but as time went by emerging challenges rendered the current document obsolete and grossly ineffective.

    lets all work hard to have new crop of leadership who understand the challenges of 21st century.let us avoid having more of the same every election time..

    retaining corrupt incuments in leadership is a great impediment to political progress,we simply need people who will accept to win and accept to lose in a political contest.we need people who will reform our political processes to allow for greater tolerance amongst our tribes and peoples .

    we need to move forward as a united people of kenya.we need an atmosphere of equal opportunity for all to succeed,this i mean employment,microfinance credit,education,development of infrastructure across the country,distribution of resource facilities all over the country,devolution of power to incorporate all in governance..

    we simply do not need a leadership which is more of the same that we have had since 1978.

    we need to move forward as acountry.

    and mbaki ,kanyau,kenneth ,YES WE CAN..”SI SE PUEDE”

    DO not tell me about martha karua ,saitoti,raila ,uhuru or mudavadi,no please..this is just more of the same…

    how do we do it,mobilize all young kenyans to register as voters ,let them vote for their future,and mbaki and kanyau i will be behind you in that long line….

    hopefully you will have prevailed upon KE to stop funding this blog and you will have desisted from criminalizing and demonizing HON.WILLIAM SAMOEI ARAP RUTTO in this kangaroo court.hatred begets hatred…he has to have a hearing,he has to defend himself.he is the MP for eldoret NORTH and a cabinet minister in the coalition goverment of kenya.HE is a kenyan too.i am atotal kenyan too.

    a little while ago i spoke good of martha karua,i was spiking you,i was simply defendning her right to be wrong about almost everything about kenya in her way of doing things.she is simply the worst we can ever have if at all.

    this is
    kiptoo arap sirorei

  215. Mbaki
    November 8, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Kenneth K,
    By now each one of us should have realized that our leaders will never help us. We got to get tired of our lives. Kenneth, if leaders helped, Gatundu, Othaya and Baringo North would be having no poor soul. We all begin with the same information but what we do with that information makes all the difference. In Kenya, it seems that some don’t even have that basic information. I come from a very poor family in the village and i got tired of it. I went out and started selling mitumbas on the streets with some very little money only God knows how i had gotten that money. I do not like to remember the many days i slept hungry to save so as to expand my stock. Today, i am a different person.
    What if i just descended on my neighbours who were well off and who always reminded our family of how poor we were?. I possibly would be dead of guilt if not in prison.
    Kenneth, i am a Kikuyu and i not ashamed of it. Above everything else, i am a Kenyan. I have worked for everything i got and i would hate for somebody to target my property because i am a Kikuyu. I owe nobody nothing and the people of this world owe me nothing. I would also not imagine targeting somebody or their property because they are Luos or any other tribe or nationality. Kenneth, you cannot change anybody but yourself. The common man and the villager have to take it upon themselves to do things differently otherwise nobody cares. It is only a fool who keep doing what they do if the results are unpleasant. You will always get what you get if you keep doing what you do. They got to want that TV so they can think of how to get it. You said well that we can have hi-tech computers and nobody to use them. We got to want these computers so we can learn how to use them. By the way tribal clashes in Rift Valley started in 1992 when Moi was still in power. Considering that Moi was a Kalenjin, could you please explain to me why the Kalenjins were chasing other tribes away?. Did these people want to change Moi’s leadership. I do not think so. It is plain political. Somebody wanted to tighten their grip on the ignorant villager so he can be their leader for ever but those tribes from outside were voting differently therefore the attempt to remove them. Kenneth, i can’t believe you fell for this one. It is not about change. That is what the politician want us to believe. If it was about change, they would not be hiking their pay.
    All these things we are talking about the village and the common man being poor and the leadership blah, blah are excuses and rationalization. In the current world, people are not fighting using bows, arrows and machettes. They are using their brains. You see those poisonous arrows people are using in the Rift Valley to kill others, somebody will find a civil way to use the concotion in the arrows either to treat a disease or to kill a pest. It is just a matter of time. Researchers are coming. They will make a kill. They will take this concotion just like the way they took the algae. We will be left holding dry bows and arrows and singing tribes.

  216. KENNETH K
    November 8, 2008 at 4:08 am

    Mbaki,
    thanks alot for your comment that is full of optimism and dreams that we hope one day will come true and that even if not us,our children will live it.

    how ever quite a number of fundamendal issues have to be handled.
    one is justice-you mentioned a point about politicians using us,or rather our ignorance to power or so.yes its true they’ve been manipulating us ever since independence.but the challenge is here.a common mwananchi speaks via the due process-he is denied justice.we decide that enough is enough by electing leaders of our choice but the we are forced to endure pple imporsed to us by corrupt powerful individuals and institutions.
    Another thing to be tackled is ignorance.id very much like to second your vision 2050,however be informed that you can have hundreds of hi tech computers but they lack relevance when no one can use them.
    this has to be solved throuh uniform education system and equitable distribution of recources which has been manipulated by the majorities and the powerful in kenya.and take note that kenyan are hard working.
    should we these fundamentals,the we would undoubtly be able to fight poverty which is the mother of all these.
    You mentioned something about the eruption of chaos and or clashes in the rift valley only on election period…this is the only time that a normal mwananchi feels that he can be heard.and what happens when he peaks his mind at a loud voice and you dont listen???
    be informed that weather technology reaches its peak or not,land remains a major factor of production and will ever remain an issue until viable policies are implemented and executed.
    with your good dream and vision you shouldnt be talking of kikuyus of which i supporse you come from,but kenya and kenyans.put your self into the shoes of a common mwananchi in the village who is not accessible to the internet,television,newspaper and other hi tech media but only a two battery stereotype radio telling him how his efforts to a dreamed greaner future has been thwarted,how his rights of electing his choice has been stollen,and much more how so and so wants to finish so and so.
    and that’s why election has been our life line.right now pple are contemplating on 2012.i like your dream and i like your vision how ever fundamental issues must be tackled.
    we should hope for the time when kenyans would rise up early in the morning to elect a national leader on the basis of virtue and not power.
    where leadership willnt be determined by the class in the society but ability to deliver to the expectations of kenyans
    where kenyans will look at each other as compatriots but not turkana,luhya or kuria.

  217. Mbaki
    November 7, 2008 at 12:08 pm

    Kenneth K,
    You can all keep saying rumours and hearsays but this Waki and kriegler commission is beyond any Kenyan. Stop trying to control people. I believe when you say this is how they all behave you mean Kikuyus. Let them be and they will let you be. I look at life fifty years down the line. In fifty years time, we will not be bothering about land. The world will have changed so much that technology will be a way of life even in Africa. Let us not fight about peasantly. If you can type on your computer, you should know better. It leaves alot to be desired when we keep siding with these leaders who would care less if were among those who died during clashes and talk about stolen elections like it is our life line. There is no justification for killing and raping innocent people. I find no connection between rigged elections and the destruction that happened in Kenya. Intelligent people do not descend on their neighbours with crude weapons just because somebody said elections were rigged. My question to Kenneth and Silolei is, why is it that Rift Valley erupts only during election time?. Don’t you think that is the height of hypocracy when people talk of land and injustices only during election time and rest of the years they are queit?. Something is amiss here. If there were no elections, it is possible that there would be no clashes in Kenya.
    Let us get a grip of this stuff. Politicians are benefitting from our ignorance. As for Waki commission, the goose is cooked. When we loamed the streets destroying and calling the international community, we gave our power away. It is said that there is evidence that cannot be refuted locked up in the UN. That is right, UN. That is what happens when we do not believe in ourselves. If these so called leaders, were smart, they would have sat down and not called the international community. Now the ICC is looking. Let these people go to court and defend themselves. If it were you and i, i wonder whether they would be on our side. I have very many friends from very many tribe and nationalities and the common denominator is that we let each other be. We do not focus on anyone. We focus on our friendship and go about our businesses in peace.
    Many Kenyas have focused on Kikuyus too much. We keep looking at what they are doing and what they are not doing. We need to stop this. We need to free ourselves from this way of life. Let us be ourselves. When we focus on other people, we diminish our ability to dream. We also like to hang on to things. Why are we still talking of rigged elections?. Kriegler said it was impossible to know who won. By the way Kriegler was funded by international community. I am satisfied with his findings because right now there is nothing i can do about this stuff. I refuse to whine about politicians. I am going to better my life and my neighbours wherever they come from should rest assured that they are safe.
    Sololei and Kenneth, Moi ruled for 24 years, why do you all think he was unable to eject other tribes from Rift Valley?. May be he finally found no logic in what he was trying to do.

  218. KENNETH K
    November 7, 2008 at 9:48 am

    Thanks sirorei for your comprehensive yet elaborative facts.
    How ever elements like kanyau should first know that it is presidential election that was openly flawn.and every body even him self knows that kenyans spoke but they werent heard or rather honoured.

    i have always asked you guys not to involve Samoei Rutto into this.
    the person or rather fratenity that planned and implemented rigging are the ones to be blamed for post election violence and the subsequent displacement and killings of innocent kenyans.
    instead of overburdening a common mwananchi by using tax payers recources to fund commisions based on rummours and hearsay,first arrest the thieves.they stole our rights-but the time is comming when truth and only truth will set us free.
    by reading the one kanyau’s previous comments,you’ll realised that he has very nice,kind and friendly comments but hidden deep inside him is something that is not socio friendly-you can not use such terms as he has used and expect to live friendly with your neighbour……and believe you me this is how they behave out there.

  219. kanyau
    November 7, 2008 at 3:16 am

    SIROREI
    Thanx for your comments. Kivuitu declared Ruto the winner and so he is in the office illegally as the mp for eld north coz the process was flawed. Does the flaw only apply to kibaki? is he not the same guy who declared ODM leaders the winners of various constituencies. The process was flawed because he did not declared Raila the winner? It is funny how you really want things to go your way. Whenever ODM loses, the process was not fair. Even in Kilgoris they still complained. Masais were incited against Kiuks in Enosupukia but this time round, they didnt touch them coz they know better. We live cordially with them and co-exist very well. They have their cows we have our businesses. We need each other and God was not a fool. You are the only people left with that extreme stupidity of killing the immediate neighbour(kikuyu) who you borrow salt from and who calls you when she/he is sick at night and vice versa. The neighbour who has married your daughter or your son. some who have never even stepped in Nairobi. They dont even know where KICC is or what is rigging.
    SIROREI, your land is 6 X 4 (Kaburi). Kill your neighbour and inherit his land but it wont change this fact!!. Worldly possesions are temporary. You attack the wrong people dear. The people who should be attacked stay in Muthaiga, Muthangari, Karen, State house etc.
    Kibaki, Raila, Ruto, Uhuru etc were very safe with many body guards during Post Elections Violence. Us fools kiuks/kalles takes our children to battle fields while Fidel and Jimmy are swimming in America or Britain. Its that bitter my brother.

  220. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 7, 2008 at 12:59 am

    hey mbaki and kanyau…go back and read the clause that stipulates the waki commission mandate carefully.waki lost sight of his mandate and did his own things.

    that is why it is honorable that we trash this document.

    kanyau and mbaki if we want to really serve justice to kenyans,kibaki and kivuitu should lead the pack that goes to hague for the way the did deservice to kenyans in the elections.you can send anybody else after this and i will not raise my finger.

    as for ‘ME’ he is trying to be smart ..he is an isolationist…the moi tactic of isolate and destroy…he was simply trying to educate me to desist from using we…hey i am sorry if i looked unpatritic in anyway…but let all kenyans be served with impartiality..let justice be our shield and defender.and God of all creations bless our land and nation.

  221. kanyau
    November 5, 2008 at 8:12 am

    Hello guys the bitterness has come up again? I thought we were burying the hatchet. At the same time, Kalenjins all of them combined are 12% of the whole population so if we think that Hague is the right way, they will not object. Yes they are breathing fire but they are not the majority. Again sin is sin even if kiuks committed sins, let them be punished. What will they do? Kwani wanajiona wao ndio nani? Tell them usione simba amenyeshewa udhani ni paka. Just because they caught us unwares last december doesnt mean we will ever be caught unawares. Please let them know that people will never take it lying down. If tulipigana na wazungu hata wao tutapigana na wao. I hope they will never think of attacking someone again.

  222. Mbaki
    November 4, 2008 at 10:23 am

    Anonymous,

    This is not a matter of X, it is serious killing of many tribes. Get your 50 off, it is disgusting. Where did you see 50 unless you are insane. It is said more than 1500 people died but waki says out of this number, a bunch of them were unidentified tribally. Luos had the highest numbers of the identified death, Kikuyus came second and Kalenjins third. Of the identified bodies(total 1500), there were 10 more Luos than the Kikuyus and 10 more Kikuyus than the Kalenjins. Therefore we can say of the 1500 death, there were 20 more Luos who died compared to Kalenjins. Do not forget other tribes.
    I strongly believe that more than 1500 people died not to mention the raped, the injured and the destroyed property. I never said 50 Kikuyus died. Men you are insane. People died like flies especially in Rift valley. Read the Waki report. Your Math is disgusting. Please do not play around with this, it is genocide.

  223. Anonymous
    November 4, 2008 at 6:47 am

    Mbaki

    x+10x+20x=1500 => 31x=1500 => x=50

    Wow !!! 50 Kyuks over janury due to PEV

  224. Mbaki
    November 4, 2008 at 12:10 am

    kiptoo arap Sirorei,
    Some correction for you. According to the report, 10 more kikuyus died compared to kalenjins and 20 more luos died compared to the kalenjins not the way i have put it. My apologies.

  225. Mbaki
    November 3, 2008 at 11:46 pm

    Me,
    I like your literature but how can we get it with the kinds of laboins like the so called kiptoo arap sirorei.

    kiptoo arap Sirorei
    Oh my goodness, the worriors my foot. Waki was sanctioned by your god Ruto among others. What is wrong now. Please direct your bows and arrows to Hague. You are this close to being isolated. Our leaders my ass!!!. Give me a break. You are not all that. The report is not going to be trashed. Direct your anger to those imminent persons including Ruto. Do you know how foolish you sound talking about your leaders?. Let them go to court and prove their innocence. Is anyone of them your father or mother?. I do not care who amongst them is prosecuted be it Kenyatta, Kibaki, Raila, Ruto, Kosgei or all of them. You will never find me on the streets killing my neighbours with machettes, bows and arrows. How ignorant are you?. Your leaders use you to accomplish their mission. They have actually discovered your ignorance. You are the one who live a lie. Your Moi rigged through out, who complained?. Writing here and sounding so righteous. Excuse me, take your hypocracy back to the bush. What about the 24 damn years we lived a lie?. Boy, your so called leaders are headed to Hague. Wha ya gonna do?. You talk of defending your constitution, like you know what a constitution is. Do not forget the blood that your community has shed. It will follow you to the 4th generation. Bloodies. You make Mungiki look like angles. The rest of the tribes had no constitutional rights for 24 years. Kalles my ass. Live your lie and let the rest of us live in peace. Above everything, get some education. I hope your are getting some abroad but i doubt. I cry for all those who lost their lives during post election violence including your so called Kalles. Did you see the report. Ten more kalles died compared to Kikuyu and twenty more died compared to Luos. Tell me, with all the bows and arrows and the planning behind other tribes’ backs, your Kalles, still died like that. You do not have the monopoly of violence. Men, watch your mouth. It is only the ignorant who are talking of war at this moment but it might just annihilate you. Keep coming, you will meet your match. Straight shooter. Shoot at Hague.

  226. Me
    November 2, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    Here’s the thing plain and simple. I have no idea why people keep blaming A B C D for whatever happened in this country and what keeps happening in other AFRICAN countries.
    Here’s the deal. I am an African a Kenyan as a matter of fact and what I would like to say is that Africans don’t seem to have much between their ears. When George Bush and Al gore run for president in 2000 there were allegations that the Bush camp stole votes blah blah blah. How many Americans did you see on the streets killing each other? NONE.
    Here’s the thing ,nothing will ever go right in Kenya or in any other AFRICAN country for that matter if people don’t start using their COMMON SENSE. Yes Common Sense and I’m sorry education doesn’t even cut it.
    Kenyan’s allow themselves to be used by politicians in this country. If not they take matters in their own hands and I’m sorry to say I’ve not seen anything improve in this country because Kenyans butchered each other. In fact I would not be surprised if Kenyans butchered each other again and again and again and again until the day the world will come to an end. Africans have got this thing it’s like a destiny with violence and poverty and disease. You know why? Because most Africans find it EXCRUCIATING to use COMMON SENSE. Take an example of what happened in the last general elections. Kibaki rigged himself into power I believe that’s what he did. Kenyans decided to butcher each other because he had done so. Now is Kibaki still in power? YES. Is Kibaki still the Commander in Chief ? YES. Did Kenyans loose their loved ones in senseless killings? YES.
    Is the Life of Kenyans better than it was because they butchered each other? NO.
    You see. COMMON SENSE. The killings didn’t help anyone. Unfortunately common sense in Africa seems to be this elusive thing, this level that Africans together with their leaders cannot get to no matter what. It’s like this thing that’s soooo! difficult to understand. It’s a real TRAGEDY that things are the way they are in most African countries and it’s even a worse TRAGEDY that things will CONTINUE TO BE THE WAY THEY ARE because someone somewhere does not want to use their COMMON SENSE. It might sound simplistic but that’s exactly what it is. It’s that simple. Kenyans instead of reflecting on what just happened to them (rigging of elections) them sobering up and thinking of a constructive manner to deal with that ,Kenyans instead choose to REACT THERE AND THEN. It’s kinda like getting into an argument with someone in a bar and then hitting them with a bottle or whatever and eventually killing them. What happens when one does that is that you go to jail possibly for the rest of your life. You destroy your whole life because you found it EXCRUCIATING to sober up and look for a constructive way to deal with the problem at hand. That’s what is destroying this country and most other countries in Africa. And the problem is understanding that concept is also EXCRUCIATING. GETTING IT IS SO DIFFICULT THAT THERE’S NO POINT IN EVEN TRYING .

    I have been reading a few of the posts up here and I can understand the rage. But at the end of the day DEEP SEATED HATRED will not help anyone. INDIFFERENCE AND IGNORANCE won’t build better schools for kids in this country or put food on our tables. Life is about choices and the most tragic thing about that is just how much we seem not to want to make the right choices. People will tell you if only it were that simple but guess what ? It is that simple. What this country needs is to pull together as one (which I hear is EXCRUCIATING!) work together as a nation (which I understand is even more EXCRUCIATING!), put responsible people into positions of power (THIS ONE I WON’T EVEN BOTH EXPLAINING) and keep working together to try and overcome all those obstacles that we’re seeing today.
    We can do this, the fact is that like I said before life is about choices as Kenyans we can choose to do the right thing we can choose to take our country into the right direction. It’s just a question of committing ourselves to that goal. Someone once said I don’t remember who but they said that it’s the most committed that win. We can choose to commit ourselves into treating each other as equals, respecting each other irrespective of our TRIBE. It’s a choice that we can make and follow through with COMMITMENT. As I type out this post Senator OBAMA has less than 72 hrs or something like that to become the First Black President of the United States. He’s gonna be president and you know why? Because the American people have decided that RACE is not going to be a factor in building a better America that RACE will not be an issue in determining the destiny of the United States of America and so many other things. If those people can make those choices and follow them up with commitment why can’t we. Why can’t we prove to the rest of the world that we are capable of doing the RIGHT thing. We can change our country but only if we try.

    Me.

  227. kiptoo arap sirorei
    November 2, 2008 at 2:08 pm

    :mrgreen: :oops: justice is what we need in kenya today.when the waki report omits the fact that violence per se was as result of a stolen election ,then we are going nowhere

    it should made profoundly clear that people went up in arms to defent their constitutional right to elect a leader of their choice.this basic right was denied when a few intimidated mr kivuitu,manipulated results,and organized a secret swearing in of a loser as our president…

    the peoples choice was denied,declared as a loser even though all indicators were contrary to this…today in kenya we have an illegitimat president in office ,legitimized by the coalition…today we live a lie as nation ,becouse we want to believe that kibaki won …

    today we are at crossroads besset by our dark past where we have all along failed to embrace justice as our shield and defender…

    the proponents of the waki report justice are hypocrites with malicious intentions,not necesarilly wanting to end impunity in kenya but simply to fix their percieved opponents ahead of the 2012 race….

    you will no take kales for aride in this,raila wake up ,kales are never manipulated….

    martha you must be popular to win a presidency not confining anybody to jail or detention indefinetely….senting people to hague will not change a peoples destiny….it confirms it…..take kenyatta for instance,also nelson mandela….they came out to claim what was rightfully theirs after the maralal detention and robin island jail respectively

    mbaki ,kanyau and the rest of yuo,waki report has not an iota of justice for our people,for our beloved countrykenya period!nada!

    flushing this report down the drain is the only honorable option ……

    anew constitution is the lasting answer and solution to the kenyan problem…………..

    we need an effective legal and comprehensive document to govern our nation …this will surely end impunity……………………………………

    we will not watch silently as any body tries to lay their damn hands on our leaders…..we will decisively respond….to protect ourselves and our people….and our future.we will not commit the sin of silence again…

    our traitors had better mark this…

    we …i mean kalenjins …………..

    kiptoo arap sirorei
    laibon in diaspora

  228. Mbaki
    November 1, 2008 at 10:12 am

    Kanyau,
    Do not worry about these things. God does not care the tribal or racial affiliations of people. At one time, people will have to pay for their sins. There is always a day of reckoning. Let us not forget that in the eyes of God, sin is sin. He is grieved by any life that is taken away. He is our maker should we be morans, worriors, mungiki, innocent women and children, innocent men or arrogant politicians. We will all answer for our deeds at one time.
    Kanyau, whatever happens to this Waki report, i am certain that God will avenge.

  229. kanyau
    October 31, 2008 at 9:25 am

    thanx Mbaki for your comments at least we think alike. Now that waki team has been thrown to the dogs by both PNU and ODM. Its very sad that there are people who are still in IDP camps. The only difference is the ODM seems very hurt and yet both sides are against it. Why are they so bitter? Could they be knowing something? Ababu Namwamba is a guy to watch he is a very bad activist and if we follow him, he will throw us to the dogs. Raila looked very worried he was dragged into it but initially, he was for the implementation of the waki report.
    Ababu said that Vijana yetu were protesting a rigged election but lemmi ask him. Now that Vijana yetu killed people in 92, 2002 who which election was rigged? Now that the whole process was flawed, he is also in the office ILLEGALLY because it is the same ECK which declared him the winner! He is very vocal about issues which are very hurting. He should know that not all people supported ODM and not all kenyans support their policies. Again, ODM took a stand as a group and not as individuals. Why do they have a common thinking? is it about a party or about kenyans being killed?
    I know it is because majority of the people who were killed were kiuks so they feel they deserved to be killed!!!! Okey am not praying for that but next time, Mt kenyans will not be caught unprepared na tutauana sawa sawa. It will not be about arrows only, it will be about guns and arrows. God forbid I usually hear people talk with a lot of bitterness dont think that we will take it lying down.

  230. Mbaki
    October 30, 2008 at 8:47 pm

    Kanyau,
    The bloodies have nowhere to hide. That makes my day. What profits a man to gain a whole province or a country but loses his soul. Siku za mwizi ni arobaine. It has a beginning, it has an end. These things that we fight over are all vanities.

    Belinda,
    Better is that person who put their trust in God not man. When our dear leaders are prosecuted and possibly executed, who are we going to look up to? Kenya will be ruled by whoever God appoints whether we fight or not.

  231. kanyau
    October 28, 2008 at 9:54 am

    Belinda
    what do you mean YOU KENYANS? are you now a ghananian? We will examine ourselves but whether Kibaki rigged or not, there was no justification of people being maimed, burnt, killed, raped! Have you ever been raped or your relative? You could be talking a different story. Ruto is not a Leader he is a killer and a warmonger. No wonder he is always on TVS issues tough statements! I have to see him and the way especially Ktn brings him. His sight evokes very bad feelings. Were it not for him, there could not been counter attacks in Naivasha and Nakuru. You pushed us into revenge. This does not mean that we mount kenyans are blameless! Tell him loud and clear that He will NEVER BE THE PRESIDENT OF KENYA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  232. belinda
    October 22, 2008 at 3:52 am

    am so dissappointed of u Kenyans.what can actually change our minds.every parliamentarian is a dead man or woman walking.dont u pple think we need another breed of new leaders?.pls stop blaming tribes or other people and look at ur self critically.every one in kenya is to be blamed.u are the cause of the violence.there was a story told in a company whereby the manager informed every worker dat come thursday we are goin to burry the one who has been causing ur downfall he is dead.every body was eager to knw the person.so it was time to see the person before being burried.so one by one they went but there was a mirror.so wen they looked in each one of them saw his or her own image.this was a surprise.STOP BLAMING OTHERS AND U YOURSELF SHOULD EXAMINE UR LIFE.pray for forgiveness of every Kenyan and stop callin’ God’s veangeance upon them coz it may surely come back to u.forgive and u shall be forgiven.
    God bless kenya.

  233. Mbaki
    October 18, 2008 at 12:22 pm

    No Kanyau . Blame lays on those who contributed. The greatest blame lay on the Kalenjins. The report says that they killed the most people in a very brutal manner. It further says that the Kalenjins hate kikuyus not because of land but because of jelousy. Kanyau please read it again. Mungiki is blamed for carrying out counter attacks. If Mungiki didn’t intervene, those clashes would have degenerated into a full blown civil war courtesy of the Kalenjins. Kibaki and the military were unable to intervene.
    Let us forget all that and wait on justice. God doesn’t like dirty. Anyone who caused any sorrow to another human being during that period will never have peace. Says the Lord.

  234. Leoedd
    October 18, 2008 at 1:36 am

    Where are the Mogotio warriors to derail the Haigue Express? Where are they when they are needed most? Where are the Mungiki to cut the heads of the hague and circumcise the oficials; the culture of impunity must die, and these goons knowtheir doose is cooked. No more public office if proven guilty. We need a new breed of leaders; not tribal worriors, posing as national leaders. Why are they quiet now? eeeh, i dont plead for anyone. I plead for justice, for the innocent shed blood, for leaders who have misled young innocent youths, now rotting in jail.

  235. kanyau
    October 17, 2008 at 9:29 am

    Did you see how things have changed? Its now Mungiki, Uhuru and Kibaki? Was Waki biased? Every blame is on kiuks. We didn’t attack and had not attacked anyone. After we were attacked, retaliation was an afterthought. We had not planned to kills anyone. It was inevitable! You wanted to kill us endlessly? dont we have blood and feelings? I dont have words to express my pain.

  236. Anonymous
    October 17, 2008 at 8:10 am
  237. kanyau
    October 8, 2008 at 6:04 am

    BELINDA
    kibera is not habited by kiuks majority are Luos. Secondly, how do you want us to treat you people like human beings? give me some tips please. Do I need to kneel down when I see a kalle? Kibaki promised you what? Do you know even in 2002 you voted Uhuru? Yes roads are still better in central than Rift why? When you were so busy destroying the roads from Jan-March, we were busy building ours. Vijana yetu were digging the tarmac and lighting old tires on roads and this leaves pot holes. You hit yourself very hard and then shout ‘Iam feeling pain’. Do you nu yu people burnt food and your people are now languishing in poverty?
    Suppose kibaki rigged the elections: Where is the connection btn that and killing, maiming, burning others? Belinda, Do you know moi rules us for 24 years? When he rigged in 1997, did we burn murang’a, nyeri, thika or nyandarua for that matter to protest? Is your style of protesting justified. Do you okey what happened? Now that raila is the pm, and kibaki is the President, how many plates has that one added on your table. You and Luos burn because you nu you have nothing to lose but us we cant do that because 90% of what will be burnt will be ours!
    Suppose XENOPHOBIC attacks happen like in South Africa, would you like to be burnt alive by your brodas in West Africa? Think twice

  238. Mbaki
    October 7, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    Belinda
    apologies accepted. Have you ever been kicked out of Central?. Never listen to what people say. Find out for yourself. Forget about Ruto, Martha, kibaki, Raila or any other politician. God is your only hope and he appoints leaders. Kibaki did not cause clashes. Our foolish selves did. Belinda, there is nothing that can make me aim a bow and an arrow or a machete towards you or any of my neighours. I refuse to be an animal. I do not care whom you vote for or what you own. We are spiritual beings going through a human experience. If i want something i am going to work hard and get it. If you get opportunity in Ghana please exploit it. The world has become a little village. You do not have to come back after school to prove a point. Venture the world and you will know that it is just the world, there is no big deal about Rift Valley, central or whatever. Think global, leave Rift Valley, Central and all of them to the peasants. Expand your holizon. I would never harm your people or any other community.
    By the way ask Luos whether you can go live in Kibera. Most of Kibera is resided by Luos. I am wondering why you are choosing a slum? Somebody lied to you to gain political mileage.

  239. belinda
    October 7, 2008 at 10:54 am

    u guys is high time we forget about tribalism ok?.if u can come and settle at rift coz it is kenya then we too can come to central coz is kenya too.am not too local if am not coz i have even friends 4rm parts of the world but lets allow Ruto this chance and see whether there will be a difference coz i doubt marth.The blood that was shed am very sorry for that only God knws but kibaki is the cause so blame heavily.LUV YOU ALL AND MBAKI PLS DONT INSULT OOH AM SORRY.LONG LIVE KENYA.

  240. sokome
    October 7, 2008 at 9:49 am

    Leave Rutto alone, He is the Kalenjin King.

  241. kanyau
    October 7, 2008 at 9:18 am

    Can we incite Maasais against you people at Mau? How will you feel? You now can feel what we feel when you chase us in the Rift Valley. Everyone has to know that human life is very precious and the blood of Abel cried unto God. Even the blood of all those people from all the communities that lost their lives is crying to the Almighty God. He is unparalleled, unmatched, and unquestioned. He is coming soon to revenge on behalf of everyone.

  242. belinda
    October 7, 2008 at 6:19 am

    kanyau can i come and live at kibera? wont u subract me the same day?.am here studyin.are the kiuks limited to study in tha Rift? after it all i will come to ma hometown.i always pray for unity but the kiuks seem so stubborn(not all) coz i have gud pals who are exceptional.pray God that he will surely change ur hearts so we can make kenya a better place.Wen u consider wat Kibaki is doin is it right.pls may somebody tell me the function of mungiki coz it belongs to Kibaki gov’nt.Anyway luv u kiuks but try to see others as human beings like u.Ruto is wat we depend on coz Kibaki promised us heaven but wapi.the roads are terrible in the rift which is not the same in central.thanks and dont insult me oooooh dat was ma opinion

  243. ***
    October 6, 2008 at 5:08 pm

    Belinda, You are the kind of people who think that in the toilet you produce cookies and when you frat it smells like perfume. That is why you think you have a right to live in Ghana and others have to ask you, the walking cadava or your tribe where to live. Which holy book do you read.

  244. Mbaki
    October 6, 2008 at 9:55 am

    Belida, what are you doing in Ghana? Aren’t you squeezing them?. Going by what you said, if a Kalenjin can burn people in Rift Valley, Ghanaians have right to burn you. Where do you get off telling others to leave Rift Valley yet you live in other people’s country?. How foolish can it get.

  245. kanyau
    October 6, 2008 at 8:53 am

    James, do you a leader/party apart from Kanu which has a national outlook? It looks like its dying but so far its not a tribal party but has a national outlook. I stand to be corrected my brother. I also support your idea that we live together coz no one can succeed alone.

    Belinda, I respect your views but Ruto is not making a ‘small heaven down here’ Is killing, maiming, burning heaven to you? Then you are so lost my sis. Before the whites came, there was rift(peace) valley or central. These are colonial boundaries. People were grazing all over the place. Rift Valley DOESNT BELONG TO KALENJINS it belongs to KENYANS. I challenged to come to central and do your things and no one will kill or burn your premises as it is now. Unless we change due to what we went through, we welcome visitors. You have to think out of the box my sister you are so conservative. Come and interact with others and appreciate them you always confine yourself in the rift.

    Dont be too local the world is a global village and hiyo mafikira imepitwa na wakati. see you later sis

  246. belinda
    October 5, 2008 at 1:12 pm

    Ruto is a man of hope.am a kalle but stay in Ghana.u guys are really after Ruto while pple like martha(haribika) are there.cant u c dat he is trying to make Kenya a sall heaven on this earth.Dis kiuks i dont knw wat is wrong wit dem.Wat is the problem wen everybody lives in his/her own homeland.Even de HOLY BOOK empasizes dat.u guy want to come to our land and squeeze us while is not the same for us to come to ur land coz u will minus us the same day.If u want Kenya to be wat it shuold be then stay in ur own land and stop causing chaos.LET RUTO DO HIS OWN THING.u could have like him if everyone was staying peacefully wherever he/she belong.

  247. James
    October 3, 2008 at 8:05 am

    I’m sorry for all those who honestly believe that William Rutto has capabilities to be a KENYAN leader, He is not representative of the entire KENYAN NATION. Guys lets be as real as we can be about this. We are Kenya one Nation, one people, different tribe, this is one of the reason why we need to embrace our differences to unite. Concrete is not just cement, and cement alone cannot build a building. so whether you see yourself as cement….. add some rocks… and water. then build a building. you want to remain cement stay in the bag.

  248. kanyau
    October 2, 2008 at 7:12 am

    Thanx anonymous and Mbaki. I never saw the macharia’s issue. Hitler tried to wipe out jews in 1930′s but he did not succeed. You cant succeed to finish human beings hitler finally commited suicide so its an effort in futility. lets mentor our boys and girls positively. Instead of taking them to the forest and train them to fight, main, rape and kill lets take them to school Mungu atawafungulia Njia watapigana na kalamu. Matakwei ako wapi sasa na Sabaot Land Defense Force? You wont go far and evil doesnt pay goodness will prevail. Come to central Kenya or areas where gema are the majority and you will be surprised at the rate at which they are building. You would think there is a building emergency! I am also planning to mentor youngsters I have already started na fujo. I am paying for their courses and I will show them how to fish but I will not give them fish. Am also revenging by building rental houses. Am praying God to show us the appraisal and put it on rooftops for all tribes to see. The appraisal of burning and building who will touch God’s heart?

  249. Mbaki
    October 1, 2008 at 9:21 am

    Kanyau,
    Did you see this guy featured in standard, who has assembled his own broadcasting station. That is hilarious. Can somebody please get him on this website because i would want to talk to him. This guy is a great resource. His name is Macharia. I wish he would mentor a bunch of kids.

  250. Anonymous
    September 30, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Kanyau,
    Somebody can demonise others all they want but it changes nothing. After what these people did, i changed my goals in life. I am going to live pefect. I am going to do what it takes to be more successful than i already was. I am going to mentor a bunch of the demonised tribes’s kids. A bunch will exactly look like me. I do not care who their parents are. It is about the survival of the enemy tribes. Let them prepare to burn 1m houses come 2012. They burn 10, we build 20. They kill one, 20 are born. Their nonsense makes others wiser.

  251. kanyau
    September 30, 2008 at 9:45 am

    Mbaki Thanx so much for your comments. Kila mtu ako na kipawa chake. Wao wanakimbia na tunafurahia sana wakishida. We all celebrated when jelimo won the jackpot. We saw her as a kenyan. The kenyan flag was raised high. On the other hand, God has given us kiuks the gift of doing business and also commercial farming. Should we be killed for our hardwork? There are bad elements in our community who steal but we still have other communities who steal. We work hard and build houses and you burn them? Do we burn you when you win gold? I do work somewhere with kalles and Luos. On fridays, they go in a pub and drink themselves silly in a very expensive hotels. They drive fuel guzzlers. Mostly a kiuk will go to a cheap pub and drive a toyota corolla. After about five years a kiuk is staying in his house and kalles and luos are in rented houses!!!!!! call me names but thats the reality. After ten years kiuk will have rental houses! please be positively envious and try not to squander your money and you will be at par with us!! Wivu yako haitatoa ile kipawa mungu anipea. We will pick up the pieces and at the end of the day, we will call the shots! we should not remain there waiting for the gova to employ vijana wetu you can start a small business. Take advantage of youth funds.
    By the way, if there are people who are disadvantaged when it comes to recruitment of Jeshi and police, its the Kiuks you know they give each district about 15 people and you know we are so so many. Our men are also suffering down there please and poverty is biting. Bye

  252. Mbaki
    September 29, 2008 at 9:43 am

    Kanyau i saw that article. My pains came back as if it was happening again. These vijanas might feel whatever they feel but remember we are spiritual beings. The spirits of those they brutally murdered cries out to God every day. They can pretend like they are feeling JOGOO but they are dead alive. There is nothing like guilt conscious. It will kill them slowly. Our pains will not go away in this generation. I will never understand how somebody can descend on their neighbour with machetes, bows and arrows. There day is coming. You burn somebody’s child, God will ensure that yours is brutally destroyed. This always works. These vijanas might never make it to be wazees. Most might not even make it to the next general elections including their leaders. God is the defender of the demonised.

  253. kanyau
    September 29, 2008 at 8:26 am

    Thanks Mbaki for your comments. Did you see PAGE THREE OF THE SUNDAY NATION of september 28th, it was about the Kiambaa tragedy survivors at Kijabe mission Hospital. It reminded me of that day. Some very hot tears flow down my cheeks and very strong feelings runs down my spines but another voice reminds me ‘God is the revenger’. Do these VIJANA WETU see what they did? What runs in their minds? Do they feel JOGOO? is that a way to feel Jogoo? These children did not even vote for heavenly sake! When I remember we were feeding the Kalles and Luos in the police stations who went there voluntarily, it pains soooooooooooooo much! Vijana wetu please dont answer my comments but for the likes of Mbaki, their comments are welcome. when we die its about 6×4 for all of us what then makes us go to those heights. This question goes to all tribes??????? peaceful kenya but the pain will not go away soon

  254. Mbaki
    September 28, 2008 at 11:04 am

    Kanyau do not worry, we are covered by Mwenenyaga. Ruto cannot help anybody neither any other politician. He can hate but that is about it. If he and his company did not wipe out Kikuyus the beginning of this year, they will never. Those who are saying he is important will be surprised. He is not any more important than the beggars on the streets before God’s eyes. God is waiting for the opportune time to wipe some of these bloodies out. He never fails. By now we should know.

  255. kanyau
    September 24, 2008 at 7:52 am

    Ruto is not bad as an individual but his politics sometimes are too personal. He personalizes issues. He talks with a lot of authority as if he can go very far with kalenjin votes only. Let him be told that we all need each other and even if he becomes the president, he will be the president of kenya but not the president of kalenjins. In any case they are only 12% of the whole population so they need other communities to rise to the top. Issac Ruto is not recognizing Raila the PM nowadays. Why is he threatening the peace of this country we so much need. Its just the other day we were fighting. Such talks are very sentitive. Politicians are politicians but please lets heal first.
    I wish both williams will talk of IDPS with the same zeal they are talking about Mau issues. Just because the IDPS are from central, Kisii and Luo, its okey to them. Please hide your hatred for other communities and champion for the rights of all. If its kikuyus or other tribes who are chased from mau, could they be talking like that? I wonder. Time will tell and nature will teach you lessons and you got to learn to love and appreciate others. Time will tell

  256. walter
    September 18, 2008 at 4:11 am

    No …Rutto is a symbol of change in the kalenjin politics,we should look at the bright side of the coin,why should we accept to be lead by old people.lets change for the better.RUTTO is one of the best and most creative politicians

  257. kanyau
    September 15, 2008 at 8:24 am

    Hi. I hope you guys are moving on well.

    Thanks Mbaki for supporting my comments but please know that WE CANNOT LEGISLATE LOVE. The constitution will not change attitudes unless we change on a personal level. I think even church has failed because the morals have really decayed. Whatever happened to the commandment ‘Thou shall not kill?’ Even before the whites came, all our traditions had that antiquity of ‘Thou shall not kill’. Human life is sacred and in whichever angle we want to look at it and justify it, we wont get away from the guilt and consequences. There are three people you wont cheat: God, Yourself, Satan.

    As I said earlier we cannot demonise the whole Kikuyu or Kalenjin community. Both communities have killers and evil people. You do a thing on behalf of your community but you suffer alone and die alone! What is the appraisal of killing someone?

    I pray that that thing will never happen again coz it happens, it will be total bloodshed. The communities are more armed than before and this time it will not be an issue of arrows and pangas it will be about guns! God forbid. You kalles are in Kenya’s black books. Even those people who voted with you have changed their perception about you people. I can judge someone’s behaviour by the way he treats other people. So I think even the other tribes will approach you with a lot of caution.

  258. Anonymous
    September 9, 2008 at 7:59 am

    :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :wink:

  259. Mbaki
    September 5, 2008 at 10:22 am

    Kanyau you are right. It is amazing how some tribes think. Do we erect a president because he/she can deliver or do we erect them on the basis of tribes?. We are hopeless. Throughout the 24 years of Moi rule, the Kalenjins and everybody else was poor apart from a few Moi cronies. Kalenjins would not raise their finger because one of their own was the president. That is how uninformed we are. It does not matter how poor we are as long as one of our own is on the throne. Kanyau, we just need a constitution. To hell with the presidency. We will see who is who.

  260. kanyau
    September 5, 2008 at 7:32 am

    Hello guys you have stayed for sometime without commenting! Please lets continue but on a positive note. Lemmi ask my friends the kalles, why are you so much into saying that we should not have a kiuk prezzo? Have you forgotten that Moi ruled us for 24 years? In fact, you should be the last people to say that. If it was coming from other tribes, then the comment is welcome but from you noooooooooooo!

  261. kanyau
    August 28, 2008 at 4:15 am

    To Induluma
    I did not approve your comments. First, politics is just but a game of numbers. You know between now and then we may have many political alliances and we may together with Luos and Kambas or any other tribe. Dont be personal about politics there are no permanent enemies or friends. You know politicians keeps on changing goal posts dont be emotional. By then, so much water will have passed under the bridge. Its not a must that ODM will be intact till them. Remember NARC? dont be so over confident we may form an alliance with other tribes its a dirty game my friend. If you kill your neighbour whom you call at night because your child is sick, you are very foolish. Ruto and Uhuru are friends they eat and drink together and attend each other’s functions. Its us common men who are foolish and yet we face the same challenges. Do you remember when kipkalya and Lorna died? George Thuo of Juja was in the burial committee so keep quiet. Open your eyes and see things the way they are! Anyang Nyong and Tuju are friends Raphael even said they call each other by pet names!

    life is very short my brothers and after that judgement and you will face the wrath of God as an individual not as a Kiuk or a Kalenjin. I dont mean that kiuks are innocent this also goes to them. If you kill you face the consequences both here on earth and in heaven. God is not a respecter of tribes dear. Tunapigana machinani lakini wao wanakula pamoja huko nairobi. If you know that, you will never take an arrow and kill your neighbour. The same way to kiuks if you know that, you will never take a panga and slice another person. You will live with that guilt until you die God is real men!

  262. M.J.ELIJAH
    August 26, 2008 at 7:59 am

    I think what you are saying is very important.Kenyans need to know the truth.Thank you for doing good work.

  263. werit
    August 25, 2008 at 4:17 pm

    :mrgreen: you stolle our land our nation thinking that you will ramain happy but you will not coz we the kalle we shall not make friend with thief anybody who is talking about Rutto should first talk about that wizzard who is in state house all Kenyan should sing a petition to take KIBAKIN MICHUKI AND MARTHA to hague for crime againist humanity of late they are busy harrasing the muslim coz of their faith they should start by chasing his own army called mungiki you kikuyus are kehes kipiz setanik nonsence uselles community illitrate but rewarded with big job you must get out of great rift i insist

  264. Ken
    August 25, 2008 at 4:14 pm

    Hey Kalle.

    You are missing the point… The human scale of suffering is around 255,000 displaced kenyans country wide. It’s just not one tribe or one particular area. If this does not disturb you, then something is really wrong…Where are these kenyans supposed to go now?

    However, what makes Eldoret so unique are these questions:

    1) Can you tell us why power lines were disconnected and by whom?

    2) Can you tell us why roads were blocked by groups into or out of Eldoret?

    3) Can you tells us why these murderers were reported to be walking in columns of 300 men in a straight line?

    4) On the 2nd of Jan, it was reported that upto 45,000 people were at the eldoret church and at least 50,000 others in various police stations around Eldoret?

    5) How does one manage to displace so many people in one town in 2 days? Even in Nairobi, despite the tensions in kibera, mathare, huruma, kawangware such a scale of displacement of people never happened.

    Please get this right… NO single community should ever be targetted. NO KILLINGS, RAPE, MURDER, TRIBAL SEGREGATION in the name of DEMOCRACY!

    What we all want is justice to be done and through peaceful means. The law must follow the perpertrators of these crimes and bring them to justice. These are individuals and leaders, not entire communities.

    I do apologize to you if my earlier suggestion singled out any tribe or community. Pole Sana.

  265. induluma
    August 25, 2008 at 4:08 pm

    It is now 8 months since the first post. by now, anyone with half a brain will know RUTO IS ALIVE AND WELL AND THRIVING…so in essence you were dead wrong. Now Move on.

    Second, go back and read wht other tribes say about u and ur kiuk ignorance. Instead of Beating a dead horse on the past, look at the future and see what it says….. THE ERA OF KIKUYU DOMINANCE IS OVER…..!
    Im neither luo, kale or kiuk, but I know from the political writing, 2012 onwards for the next 12 or 18 years, NO KIUK WILL RULE IN THIS GENERATION, YOu guys have screwed it up for yourselves.

    Sadly all tribes see kiuks as morally, financially and socially corrupt. This explains the NATIONWIDE eviction…not just eldy which u focus on. of the kiuks.

  266. induluma
    August 22, 2008 at 8:46 pm

    :cool:
    Hey KE and all,

    It is now 8 months since the first post. by now, anyone with half a brain will know RUTO IS ALIVE AND WELL AND THRIVING…so in essence you were dead wrong. Now Move on.

    Second, go back and read wht other tribes say about u and ur kiuk ignorance. Instead of Beating a dead horse on the past, look at the future and see what it says….. THE ERA OF KIKUYU DOMINANCE IS OVER…..!
    Im neither luo, kale or kiuk, but I know from the political writing, 2012 onwards for the next 12 or 18 years, NO KIUK WILL RULE IN THIS GENERATION, YOu guys have screwed it up for yourselves.

    Sadly all tribes see kiuks as morally, financially and socially corrupt. This explains the NATIONWIDE eviction…not just eldy which u focus on. of the kiuks.

  267. kanyau
    August 18, 2008 at 5:08 am

    kiptoo
    Please give us a break, you are bragging that you displaced so many people? Gosh is that something to be pround of? you are that evil? am surprised! Time will tell the day of reckoning is not far reality will dawn! But you are in your own world coz ave interacted with very many kind kalles. In fact I have a friend who successfully hid 500 kiuks not to be killed by kalles. God bless that kalenjin and his descendants!

  268. kiptoo
    August 15, 2008 at 12:38 pm

    the provincial administration, rift valley said the violence was sponteneous.the P.C he gave out this information knowing very well that nobody else could be able to supply any legitimate and credible information in relation to the violence in the rift valley.

    the p.c. is the only person in the province who unlike you, who rely on hearsay, has all the machinary to gather all intelligence information on the same and disseminate to relevant bodies for action.

    he never accused rutto of any wrongdoing.

    and if ever anybody has any credible information linking him to this atrocity ,is it that this information is not yet in the goverment domain? ,and if so why are they not taking the necessary action to apprehent the killer….

    in short mr KE own upto this impropiety and struck this blog out…be constructive…bring out something that builts bridges between the two largest kenyan tribes…..on the contrary this blog fans animosity and prepares ground for future similar encounters….you are a war lord..period.

    you dont even know the negative impact of your blog on some of our people yet…

    rutto will not be brought down by this cheap propaganda…

    we have been to this before and we know ,how far it goes….

    you have no idea who your audience are…we know you mr KE…we know where your right leg and left are….

    in conclusion sir…the kalenjins are here to stay…we are kenyans by design and by right…we are not pegging to stay here,but we will remain anyway….you will not move us an inch away from where we are…

    we made only one mistake in the not very far past,falling into the trap by that colonel mainetzagen…for a truce …we fell a prey to a lie….never again……………………………..
    are you wishing we(kales) where in georgia or worse georgians….after five days of tank bombing and aerial bombing….only 200,000 thousand people were displaced…..so how did this kales do it in just two days with only arrows and displaced half a million…..

    bye boy!
    see you again
    laibon

  269. Kenneth k
    August 15, 2008 at 7:32 am

    HI all
    KE I’ve been following on your posts and all i can discern is, your negative attitude towards kalles.
    Your rampant statement of displacement of half a million people in two days can not be justified in this discussion first because it is not people from one community who were displaced and second displacement was not practiced by kallenjins alone.
    we have been hosting IDPs from Naivasha and limuru who have decided to live any where else but not with or in the community that displaced them,following what they went through in the hands of these hooligans

    when you moderate such a blog like this one,try to propagate peace but not hatred and especially tribalisim.

    nice time

  270. Anonymous
    August 13, 2008 at 7:37 am

    IS THIS BLOG OR SITE FOR ENTREPRENEURS OR FOR HATE AND TRIBAL CAMPAIGNS.

    WAS A VISITOR BUT ALL THINK I MISSED WHAT I CAME HERE FOR

  271. kenyanentrepreneur
    August 12, 2008 at 10:35 pm

    Kiptoo:

    When half a million people from one ethnic group are displaced within 2 days, that suggests that the action was planned and possibly funded by someone.

    Ruto’s name was mentioned in the human rights report as a possible funder of this violence and as we saw last week in the video with Ntimama, these two men possibly have blood on their hands and if it is proven that they do, they should not be surprised if calls for vengance are leveled against them.

    Kalenjins have been killing kikuyu’s since 1992 and enough is enough.

  272. kiptoo arap sirorei
    August 12, 2008 at 8:22 pm

    i want to reason with kenyan enterprenuer,why did you think that somebody alive could be a walking dead…… :twisted: does is still make sense to you to date…does it make you sensible to sponsor such a blog ….as a kenyan and a sensible person ,this is one absurd blog or commentary i have ever heard or come across…i have followed it and its blogggers to see who comes close to giving you an answer close to your expectation….

    everybody digraced and talked their own things……….becouse the bolgs heading/objective dont add upto anything….

    today if you have any evidene to incriminate rutto in any wrongdoing feel free to volunteer this information to our police system…we have a sovereign republic with functioning structures of governance.

    we have an effective goverment to attent to any legitimate complaint from its citizens

    kenyan enterprenuer be at liberty as a citizen to pass this pertinent information to the police…..or cease the wild allegation against the MP for eldoret north

  273. KENNETH K
    August 11, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Off course i’m not a murderer.and i can never be one.I will therefore never defend killers.
    when you corect someone why cant you use acceptableand gentle terms,rather than poisonous vocabularies.

    when you talk of killings,i’m conscious of hundreds of kalenjins who were killed by kikuyu hooligans.

    We need to come up with a way of reconciling kenyans.we shouldnt just centre our attention on kikuyus and kalenjins alone.

    dont blame every hooliganisn on kalenjin.
    in NAIVASHA innocent people were lynched and others brutally murdered,why arent you talking of that???

    refering to others as murky brained and twerp only shows how you can relate with other communities in the society……and who will want to have such a neighbour????

  274. Wa Wambui
    August 11, 2008 at 2:56 am

    Kenneth K
    It seems as if you got things from my postings all wrong. I have always maintanined that not all Kalenjins are bad people. Neither are all Kikuyus good. What I stand for is for a sin to be called a sin. You can’t force me to accept that what happened in the Roft Valley was justified. Furthermore, the holly writs are quite clear about those who kill. Murderers like Kones can’t be expectec to walk the lawns of heaven-unless maybe they are rejected in hell! It is a well known fact that Kones, together with some other like-minded Kalenjin politicians, were behind the violence. In case you can’t believe this, then go through the Kenya National Comission for Human Rights report. If you are not a murderer, then stop defending the killers. Why can’t you accept to lose some arguments and win on points? I have read your posting prior to your take on me, and I must comment that they are sloppy and jumbled up!! I read alot of baloney from you in defense of Ruto. Why then the change of heart?

    You also fail to realise that in my first paragraph in my most recent posting, I was responding to othorongongo’s twaddle. It is unfortunate that I have been forced to respoind to yours too. If I were put in the leadership position, trust me not to do what some pliticians did during the post elections violence!! By the way, I predicted about a twerp with a murky brain responding. You did, Kenneth K!!!

    Kenyans, some of these so called leaders in parliament are in fact supposed to be in the hague!!! They are he ones dividing us along tribal lines, just to satisfy their political egos.

  275. Wa Wambui
    August 11, 2008 at 2:52 am

    Kenneth K
    It seems as if you got things from my postings all wrong. I have always maintanined that not all Kalenjins are bad people. Neither are all Kikuyus good. What I stand for is for a sin to be called a sin. You can’t force me to accept that what happened in the Roft Valley was justified. Furthermore, the holly writs are quite clear about those who kill. Murderers like Kones can’t be expectec to walk the lawns of heaven-unless maybe they are rejected in hell! It is a well known fact that Kones, together with some other like-minded Kalenjin politicians, were behind the violence. In case you can’t believe this, then go through the Kenya National Comission for Human Rights report. If you are not a murderer, then stop defending the killers. Why can’t you accept to lose some arguments and win on points? I have read your posting prior to your take on me, and I must comment that they are sloppy and jumbled up!! I read alot of baloney from you in defense of Ruto. Why then the change of heart? You also fail to realise that in my first paragraph in my most recent posting, I was responding to othorongongo’s twaddle. It is unfortunate that I have been forced to respoind to yours too. If I were put in the leadership position, trust me not to do what some pliticians did during the post elections violence!! By the way, I predicted about a twerp with a murky brain rsponding. You did, Kenneth K!!!

    Kenyans, some of these so called leaders in parliament are in fact supposed to be in the hague!!! They are he ones dividing us along tribal lines, just to satisfy their political egos.

  276. KENNETH K
    August 10, 2008 at 9:24 pm

    Hi
    i want to partially agree with you arap sirorei.charismatism is displayed in natural leadership.i strongly believe and understand that IQ doesnt quarantee successiful leadership,but professionalism in management.
    Martha karua is very smart and professional.she is brilliant as you,ve put it…and that’s why PNU is part of the coalition,and not in official opporsition.the PNU guys should owe their victory to her.HOWEVER,she is a hardliner.and remember she is dealing with kenyan who are enlightened especially on socio-economic and political fields.there fore her political future largely depends on the ordinary kenyan perspective.
    We all are conversant of Raila’s greed and need for power…..this brings to our
    memory of the 1982 attempted coup.this is a person who has proved he can do any thing how ever negative to get to power,thence the negative potrait of our samoei rutto.
    Mudavadi and his likes can never be trusted with genuine and credible leadership..remember his history to parliament.he never fought for himself.
    he was swaped from class to take over after the death of his father.

    WILLIAM RUTO is the centre of attraction here.he rose from a humble ground.
    even though guys do argue that he rode on MOI’S back.but he actually fought hard and smart to secure that opportunity.WILLIAM RUTO IS A NATURAL BORN LEADER.go to Eldoret north and you’ll prove this.
    Kofii Annan noted this,and that’s why he invited him in norway for mediation talks.
    i want to let you know that i’m forthright on my stand.and that is justice and fairness.
    BUT ask your self.supposing martha is constitutionally above the law,how can he lead kenyans with that hardliner character of hers?? she is professional,intelligent,with hi IQ.but needs to check on her leadership skills.

    lubugas@yahoo.co.uk

  277. KENNETH K
    August 10, 2008 at 9:23 pm

    Hi
    i want to partially agree with you arap sirorei.charismatism is displayed in natural leadership.i strongly believe and understand that IQ doesnt quarantee successiful leadership,but professionalism in management.
    Martha karua is very smart and professional.she is brilliant as you,ve put it…and that’s why PNU is part of the coalition,and not in official opporsition.the PNU guys should owe their victory to her.HOWEVER,she is a hardliner.and remember she is dealing with kenyan who are enlightened especially on socio-economic and political fields.there fore her political future largely depends on the ordinary kenyan perspective.
    We all are conversant of Raila’s greed and need for power…..this brings to our
    memory of the 1982 attempted coup.this is a person who has proved he can do any thing how ever negative to get to power,thence the negative potrait of our samoei rutto.
    Mudavadi and his likes can never be trusted with genuine and credible leadership..remember his history to parliament.he never fought for himself.
    he was swaped from class to take over after the death of his father.

    WILLIAM RUTO is the centre of attraction here.he rose from a humble ground.
    even though guys do argue that he rode on MOI’S back.but he actually fought hard and smart to secure that opportunity.WILLIAM RUTO IS A NATURAL BORN LEADER.go to Eldoret north and you’ll prove this.
    Kofii Annan noted this,and that’s why he invited him in norway for mediation talks.
    i want to let you know that i’m forthright on my stand.and that is justice and fairness.
    BUT ask your self.supposing martha is constitutionally above the law,how can he lead kenyans with that hardliner character of hers?? she is professional,intelligent,with hi IQ.but needs to check on her leadership skills.

  278. kiptoo arap sirorei
    August 10, 2008 at 2:24 pm

    i want to respond to kanyau on the population constitution of our republic that they are grossly erroneous and out of touch with true facts on the ground .before you do anything to do with numbers be accurate as much as you could be ,if you are not sure dont try to give erroneous figures.

    kenneth k.i want to tell you that i strongly admire karuas charisma and steadfastness in what she stands for.at least be forthright in what you stand for,be not ambiguous….on these karua excels..talk about kalonzo musyoka a chameleon,talk of mudavadi ,kombo ,wetangula,these guys exhibit the same consistent behaviour of being inconsistent with what they sytand for,changing tact to survive,playing hide and seek.to establish a nation where we all can accept one another we should always stand for what is just for all no matter what.

    kenneth i still support martha for any big post in our country.she is brilliant and smart

    how about raila,he told us to buy safaricom shares before even he knew who mobitelea was …why did he do this to kenyans.he accepted a line up of ministerial positions even before portfolio balance was achieved…
    on both this he had nothing to lose but kenyans had something to lose
    we lost fairness in a process that benefit all

    mudavadi during the hot times after the election literally went underground only to surface when positions were declared.kalonzo joined kibaki so fast even when he knew there was an irregularity in the concluded election ,he was the fisrt to endorse an irregularity becouse he had nothing to lose but kenyans lost in the intergrity of our leadership and we propagated impunity and corruption

    i donot hate kikuyus but let there be justice for all.let justice prevail in our political processes.let kenya take good care of its own citizens .give them justice,security,freedom to worship,freedom to associate,freedom to do bussiness anywhere in our country.

    but when we set precedence for unfairness dont blame people for the kind of actions they take.

    have a great day
    laibon

  279. KENNETH K
    August 10, 2008 at 1:49 pm

    WA Wambui.
    stop conflicting your points.
    what you are expressing is like preaching water and taking wine….

    Dont be so sure that Kones is in hell.I ve been following your posts,and what i can discern is that you are castigating animosity.

    my question to your likes has always been.WHAT KIND OF LEADERSHIP COULD YOU PROVIDE,WERE YOU GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY????

  280. Wa Wambui
    August 9, 2008 at 10:49 am

    Amen, Idler!!

    As for you one othorongongo, Let me take take this opportunity, as Wa Wambui, to inform you that I do appreciate the fact that your priorities are stuck up somewhere between your toes!! I also do realize that you are an epitome of stupidity, a pillar of foolishness and, more so , a foundation of nonsense!!! Instead of putting your hollow points across, you are choosing, in your characteristic self, to dwell on side shows. If you think that what Ruto and those useless so called Kalenjin leaders have done to innocent people is good, then justify it. By asking who the hell I am, you are merely proving the fact that you are on this forum by mistake. In fact, you should go to hell and join the likes of Kones in keeping Lucifer company. he must be feeling lonely now that you are here anyway. I think that is enough attention for you !!I have no time for your piffle!!

    We as Kenyans should learn to draw strength in our diversity. The only way that we can achieve this is by respecting the sanctity of life, hence we should choose alternative ways of solving our socio-political differences through peaceful means. It is a therefore important to always respect divergent views, without condemning whole tribes for a few people’s waywardness. The failure of our leaders to forge unity amongst us is the source of the tribal rifts and intolerance that we are experiencing. For this reason, I would like to assert here that not all Kalenjins are murderers. The recent violence really brought out the negative side of Kalenjins. however, it is good to note that some Kalenjins are good people we can emulate. A good example is good old Bishop Cornelius Korir of Eldoret. He is not like some so called Kalenjin twerps who have been screaming expletives and tribal epithets here. By the way, I expect some Kalenjin perp, full of mud in the head, to write back and throw tantrums!!

  281. IDLER
    August 9, 2008 at 9:20 am

    BE WATCHFUL ON YOUR COMMENTS AND IDEAS GOD WATCHES OVER EVERY SOUL AND MIND YOU BETTER PREACH PEACE!! I’L BE BACK

  282. kenneth k
    August 7, 2008 at 11:00 pm

    HI GUYS.
    PLease take a serious look at the comments of one kiptoo arap sirorei.
    how can you say that other tribes have got nothing to loose????
    life is precious my friend.
    when this people loose life becouse of the unneccessary chaos,isnt that a precious thing to loose???
    think big my friend….i lie between a kale and luhya how ever i will never agree with such concepts as of yours.
    your small comment potrays your picture even if you arent visible..

    ask your self one simple quiz.supporsing you were made a head in your society, what kind of leadrer ship could you provide???

    please meditate on your comments about martha karua

    think big my friend..

  283. kanyau
    August 7, 2008 at 4:19 am

    There is one question I will pose to you guys and please dont insult me. Why are are kalenjins only in Rift valley? Am asking this not out of malice but concern. In central, you will find even in Thika, Kiambu and Murang’a Luos, Luhyas, Kisiis, etc who have land, plots, businesses in the heart of kikuyu community. You will see them in boda boda, kiosks, jua kali, tailors, doctors, lawyers etc. One person you will never see is a kalenjin….why??????????????only heavens know. I have kalenjin friends who are very kind and respecting and they told me they cant invest in central. unless you find them in the police stations, DC’S office, Intelligence, Aps you can never find a kale hata huko sokoni akiuza lakini hawa wengine wote utawapata. Luos burnt and vandalised kikuyus properties and some few were roughed up BUT THEY NEVER KILLED THEM. Ask yourself why you dont respect human life. At the end of the day, us Kiuks have a soft spot for Luos and I would rather a Luo than a Kalenjin. Please think outside your box. Come to our land and invest in any way interact with us and you will appreciate us! When Kales go to public places, you will hardly see then interact with others. They always speak their language and even if you happen to be with them, they will still speak in kalenjin language.

    Kipsigis please stop killing other people. You are on the spot! you killed luhyas, kisiis, kiuks you are not in good terms with maasais, you have invaded mau please kwani nyinyi ndio nani? nyinyi ndio huwa mnakosewa saaana kuliko hawa wengine????

    food for thought
    approximates

    kiuks about 22% of the population
    luhyas about 12% of the population
    kalenjins(keiyo, kipsigis, nandi, marakwet etc) 12%
    luos about 11% of the population
    merus about 6% of the population
    embu about 2% of the population
    kambas about 12% of the population
    kisiis 7%

  284. kiptoo arap sirorei
    August 5, 2008 at 11:46 am

    the only way to have lasting peace in kenya is to have the kalenjins and kikuyus rule side by side forever.the two have everything to loose in the event of war.there are communities who have nothing to loose in the event of chaos.the two kikuyu the enterprenuer of kenya and the land owner the kalenjin have bigger interests in this country.

    i am proposing that martha karua becomes william ruttos running mate and we will sleep upto ten.they will pay all our bills and school fees for our children

    we will not need securityu guards.

    we will reduce the numers of police officers and by extension the expenditure on the police force.

    why becouse rutto will tell kalenjins wacha huyu kikuyu afanye kazi,hakuna aja ya kufuguza huyu mutu,na martha will tell kikuyus wakale sio watu wabaya,na pia musiipe ,mukuje state house tutawapa loan yenye haina interest bora murudishe haraka hiso pesa.kwa sababu hizo pesa ni ya state.hatutakuwa tumeipa…

    sisi wakale tuna supprt huyu mama..

    uhuru iliishia 2002,unless he choses to be ruttos running mate …lasivyo,daima kamwe kamailivyo desturi yetu.hatutaki huyu mtu hana msimamo…mama martha anasimma imara..

    give us kalenjins this martha,we realy like her…let martha and rutto begin some structured negotiations .
    huyu jaluo sisi wakale tumechoka naye…hatufwati huyu mtu wa lake milele.
    have a fair day

    laibon sirorei@yahoo.com

  285. KENNETH K
    July 29, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    VERRY TRUE KIPTOO….VERY TRUE.
    Let them have the reality RUTO IS THERE TO STAY.
    -WHEN IT COMES TO SUCH ISSUES, MOI AND BIWOT ARE DEVOTED KALLES,
    THAT GUARANTEES TOTAL SUPPORT FOR RUTO.
    -THE ENTIRE COMMUNITIES ORIGINAL INHABITANT OF RIFT VALLEY HAVE VOWED TO EVEN DIE BEFORE RUTO DOES IF THAT WILL BE NECCESSARY

    PPLE LIKE WAMBUI AND WA-WANJIKU ARE ONLY DISPLAYING THEIR IGNORANCE THINKING THAT THE GIKUYUS ARE OWNING THIS WORLD.
    THEY CAN OWN CENTRAL IF THAT MAKES THEM HAPPY.
    THEY SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT DEATH IS CERTAIN-DONT LONG FOR RUTO’S DEATH.YOURS MIGHT COME FIRST.
    REMEMBER IN THE “GOOD BOOK” THE BIBLE IN THE BOOK OF ESTHER THE FATE THAT BEFELL HAMAN.ISNT IT THE SAME THING HE WAS PLANNING FOR MORDECAI???
    GOD WILL SURELY PROTECT HIS PEOPLE.
    RUTO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CLASHES.IN FACT IF YOU DONT KNOW, HE SAVED THE NATION MUCH.

    KIBAKI,KIVUITU AND THEIR ALLIES ARE TO BLAME.
    HOW EVER WE FORGAVE THEM.

  286. kiptooArap,sirorei
    July 27, 2008 at 11:38 am

    hey,rutto is there to stay .he is a kenyan.he deserves to be heard as he speaks of the injustices of these later times in our country.my little advice to kyuks is that the kalenjin mind set now is final,it does not matter if rutto is here or not.i always ask my self why there are people who will never learn.people who cannot read signs of the times,people who cannot read the big writtings on the wall.it will never change for the better for you people in rift valley.

    you can disarm people but you cannot disarm the mind set.

    time will tell , don’t waste anymore of your resources investing in this region..invest where it is safe for you to do so..

    the risk of investing in the region far much outweigh the benefits of doing bussiness here.take heed and do things favourable to your own selves

    rutto is not a factor in all this,there are economic disparities on the ground that inform this idea,there are ground realities that dictate this kind of mind set…rutto has nothing in this, he becomes the beast of burden becouse of being a spokesman for this people,he is equaly a victim in this kind of scenario…dont divert the attention as to what/who to blame….the unfair system that has been propagated by succesive regimes makes that innocent kikuyu in rift valley suffer for the sins of others…

    the unfair allocation and distribution of national resources is to blame for the pain and desperation of the native and primitive communities in the region.

    do you think moi supports kibaki and doesnt support rutto? how and why? :oops: :cry: :lol: :sad: :!: :?:

    this people will defend rutto day and night,you will never divorce rutto from this people…if anybody has to kill rutto it should be done after all the kikuyus have left rift valley and the casualty will be one…. :roll: :cry:

    if rutto is eliminated today as they continually plan it will give the savages an opportunity to accomlish what they have always wanted to do…that is create the northen corridor for namadic migration of the masai in search of pasture for their animals,the northen boundary of the corridor will be the boundary that will devide us and you forever…..

    the flag of the savages will be hoisted at the top of menengai crater

    have a fair day….

    laibon

  287. othorongongo
    July 25, 2008 at 7:58 am

    these atwara are so stupid!how in hell’s sake do they speak ill of MHESHIMIWA RUTO?can you put it into your tiny stealing oriented thick brains that even if Ruto could have contested against your fellow MR BIM[baboon] he could have beaten him even with all the riggings!!!!!!Nway the post-election violence was alesson to you kiuks never to steal any more.it also taught you that though u’re majority you are physically not the majority! WHO THE HEEEEEEEEELLLLLLL DO YOU THINK YOU ARE ”WA WAMBUI’

  288. rottoh junior
    July 11, 2008 at 5:54 am

    ochamekey bik chok? kieli tany gonk se kechorey those are slams from people of eldy who luvs RUTTOH so much.as u know kibaki is an artificial man on ascreen

  289. Wa Wambui
    July 9, 2008 at 12:12 pm

    Arap Too wrote in kalenjin!!!!! Lucifer must be excited!!!

    Anyway, that proves where his priorities are: In the Village. Arap Too, we don’t understand that,so please get your intellect devoid of poppycock!!!

  290. kenyanentrepreneur
    July 8, 2008 at 2:25 pm

    Wanjiku:

    Where did you get the info that Ruto was supposed to be on that plane?

  291. wanjiku
    July 8, 2008 at 12:09 pm

    apparently william ruto was supposed to accompany laboso on kones on the ill fated flight but something came up and he was unable to reach wilson airport so he told them to leave without him.. this may explain the reason why he wept like that because he realised that it could easilly have been him in the coffin… wa wambui i agree with you but i still have to pity the man because if he does not clean up his act soon he may end up dying a very miserable death.. its only a matter of time b4 the truth comes out

  292. wanjiku
    July 8, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    i think ruto has much more to fear from his old allies whom he betrayed
    than any kikuyu even those of the families which he killed..

  293. jc
    July 5, 2008 at 2:50 am

    ooh whatever

  294. ARAP TOO
    July 2, 2008 at 8:28 am

    Ruto is a man of kalenjin wakiuks waseme nini moamech kiy bikab kalenjin
    mi jehova kamosanyon.

  295. pebble
    June 20, 2008 at 10:30 am

    Whatever happened to “Not speaking ill of the dead” I am even feeling guilty for laughing and entertaining your thoughts wa wambui….

  296. Wa Wambui
    June 20, 2008 at 10:24 am

    It is quite interesting to note that one William Ruto can cry! Amazing irony!
    I still can not believe that Kipkalya Kones is dead. For a person who was used to running his mouth, spewing hatred and venom like him, nothing better could have sufficed like that.
    By the way, don’t you people think that it was by sheer luck that the fellow perished just before he landed in Kilgoris? He was carrying some millions of shillings. One need not be a rocket scientist to know what he was upto!!! Had Kones been in Kilgoris when Ng’eno lost, the place could have been messy.
    As for Lorna…well I think it is unfortunate that she died , although I know nothing about her involvement in the post-election violence. I won’t write anything about her, but may she rest in peace if shewas innocent.
    . O.D.M as a party and its members should be thinking about itself as the past comes knocking. Anyway, very few will miss Kones, but I am expecting a misguided organism to write back and dispute this!!!

    P.S. NOW THAT THE DEVIL’S LOYAL SERVANT HAS GONE BACK TO HELL, DON’T YOU GUYS THINK THAT LUCIFER WILL ORGANISE A HOMECOMING PARTY FOR KONES IN HIS HONOUR? JUST WONDERING!!!

  297. pebble
    June 19, 2008 at 8:26 am

    Kanyau, Yes that crying has also been bugging me…..

  298. kanyau
    June 19, 2008 at 4:29 am

    I felt so much for Lornas demise she was an upcoming politician with the whole world ahead of her may God rest her soul in eternal peace. Am also saddened by the death of the pilot and the bodyguard. Lemmi give you some food for thought: Why did Kipkalyas Bodyguard staying in a very deplorable condition? If he really cared for others why couldnt he have thot of his bodyguard? Someone who takes home 800,000+ Kshs tax free should not have allowed him to live like that. Talk of Lazarus and the poor man. Why was Ruto crying so much and yet he didnt cry when people were burnt in eld or those people who were killed in Naivasha? Kwani kuna lives golden? Why is he not crying that there is hunger in Baringo and people are dying? Analia vile watu walilia wakati wa post-elections violence. Wacha alie at least he has a feel. Mungu anajua pahali atakugusa ndio aput sense in you. Hata pharaoh mungu aliaua mtoto wake ndio akasoften. Hamjalia mtalia na sisemi wakalenjins peke yao pia wakikuyu na hao wengine ambo waliuana. Who was kipkalya to ruto? He taught him how to kill? Why didnt he cry when his father died?

  299. aldad
    June 17, 2008 at 8:07 am

    you people discuss useless thing you all lack taste,please look for some better topic.assholes.

  300. Helingo
    June 15, 2008 at 4:07 pm

    mm suvivour,
    So you are drilled during circumsition to rape, sodomise and burn houses!!, you claim this is greatness??. The late Kones said kikuyus have no right to vote in kalenjin areas, yet in Kilgoris the kipsigis claim they had to field Ngeno because he is kenyan and it is wrong for the Massai to resist. Cheruto kosgey (above) claims that Jared and others envy Kalenjins!. Remember what goes around comes around and your bid to isolate others will eventually work aganist you, right now nobody wants a kalenjin as a neighbour even in Nairobi since you do not know when ‘vijana yetu’ will rape our grandmothers, is justice, votes, or whatever between the legs of the victims?? what did the circumcisers tell you MR. mm suvivour.
    Helingo.

  301. mm survivor
    June 9, 2008 at 11:51 am

    IAM GLAD THAT SOMEBODY THINKS RUTTOH IS A DEAD MAN WALKING.KALENJINS AND MORE SO THE NANDIS NEVER AND I SAY NEVER KILL WOMEN,CHILDREN OR ANIMALS.THE OUTFACT THAT YOU THINK RUTTOH ORGANISED THE SKIRMISHES IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG.YOU EITHER NEED SOME WISDOM OR LITTLE OF SCHOOLING TO MAKE SUCH COMMENT.RUTTOH HAS BEEN RULED OUT BEYOND REASONABLE DOUBT AND HE HAS CONSISTENTLY ASKED THE GOVT TO FULLY INVESTIGATE AND PROSECUTE THE SPONSERS OF THE POST ELECTION VIOLENCE.THE GOVT HAS BEEN RELUCTANT TO DO SO COZ THEY KNOW THIS IS A PURE REACTION FROM WHAT HAPPENED AND NO POLITICIAN I REPEAT AGAIN NO POLITICIAN IN THE KALENJIN LAND ORGANISED ANYTHING OF THE SORT.I KNOW IT SEEMED ORGANISED BUT LET ME TELL YOU THE TRUTH. CIRCUMSISION CEREMONIES THOUGH NEVER PUT IN WRITTEN TEACHES US TO BE DELIGENT AND WE ALWAYS SPEAK A LANGUGE THAT WILL NEVER BE UNDERSTOOD BY ANYBODY NOT EVEN OUR WOMEN OR THE ONES WHO HAVE NOT GONE THROUGH THE RITUAL.SO IF YOU THINK WE WILL BACK DOWN AM SORRY.RUTTOH IS VERY COSTLY DONT KILL HIM.YOU WONT BELIEVE WHAT WILL WILL HAPPEN IF YOU KILL HIM.HE IS EXTREMELY COSTLY.WE WILL CROWN HIM VERY SOON AS THE KING OF THE NANDIS.AND YOU WILL HAVE NOTHING TO ABOUT IT.IF YOU LOVE KIKUYUS JUST LEAVE RUTTOH ALONE.YOU CANT AFFORD HIM.THE EBT CAN BE PAID FOR MORE THAN 300 YEARS.FOR REAL HE IS COSTLY.

  302. kanyau
    June 9, 2008 at 6:39 am

    to chuleut
    I read your article and it was damn clear that it will take some time before we experience real harmony amongst kenyan tribes. Please how can you tell people that they are mad? As I said earlier, wrong is wrong whether committed by Kiuk, kalenjins, luos, luhyas, ogieks etc. as I said, if Kikuyus kill their kiuks or other tribes, they should be punished. We should not call evil good just because it is committed by our tribesman. Now that you said that the trouble is with kiuks what are you planning to do to them? Do you know they are here in kenya by right not plivelege? Do you think your plans of finishing us will succeed? Was killing, raping, burning not enough? Lemmi tell you, what is born black will never be white. If we are hard working, even if you take to the desert, we will still thrive! You will confess with your mouth ‘Even if we kill these people, they are blessed of God’ Hata hiyo mashamba itawahaunt sana mkichukua kwa nguvu. You will never know peace.
    The kalenjins I know are very good, polite, respecting wewe ni mkale wa wapi? were you among the arsonists/killers? pray God to give you a good heart free from hatred. It will finish you you.

  303. chuleut
    June 4, 2008 at 9:01 am

    I THINK MOST OF THE COMMENTATORS ARE CANDIDATES FOR A MENTAL ASSYLUM. RUTO IS AS INNOCENT AS THEY COME. THE TROUBLE WITH KENYA IS WITH THE KIKUYU. UNTIL THIS ADDRESSED AS A PROBLEM, THE FUTURE FOR THIS COUNTRY IS BLEAK.

  304. CIKO
    May 23, 2008 at 4:18 pm

    To: Kenyanenterpreneur.

    Hey you are mistaken again. Who told you that the race was a tie? I mean 50/50? Any statistical fact to support your claim? (1) KIbaki was announced the winner under some weired circumstances, not that he tied with Raila. (2) Election officials confessed that they do not know who won for sure. (3) Kenyans in general are very smart people regardless of their tribes. Therefore do not insult their intelligence by airing your unfounded opinions with basically nothing to back it up. The only smart move you can make is to convince us kenyans that you did the tallying yourself. Otherwise, your speculations and theories are bogus and unfounded!
    Kenyanenterpreneur, everyone is entitled to their own opinion but one thing is certain, you can’t just air any rubish! Try to spice it up with some common sense, facts and some intelligence if any! I am young woman and not as smart as you. But atleast i understand deep inside my core that we are all humans with common goals in life irrespective of our race, geographical location, age, sex, tribes, socio-economic status and educational achievements. What happened in Kenya after elections remains unimaginable! Our common men, women and children from all works of life went through what i can only term as unfit for human habitat – too much to bear!. I blame everyone who contributed to this and i hope they will be charged for these crimes. But the question remains – what honestly triggered this? Where did it start? Tell me – answer me Mr. Kenyanenterpreneur without being biased! kikuyus greedy for power right? You should not get into the kichen if you can’t beat the heat! Next time – THINK! Think of any possible consequences of any action before you implement it. ASPIRING LEADERS SHOULDN’T BE SELF-CENTERED – PUT ALL HUMANS INTO CONSIDERATION!
    I PRAY THAT ALL KENYANS COME TOGETHER AND BURY THEIR HATCHETS FOR THE COMMON GOOD OF ALL OF US.

  305. kanyau
    May 20, 2008 at 9:30 am

    Lemmi say that Kenya is headed to a place like somalia where people are led by wardlords every tribe has a terror gang. This is a very worrying trend. My prayer is that we will all live peacefully. What is the fate of the kids born of two tribes? should we kill them?
    How ever much people say that we are tribal, they should have come to central province and see the no. of luhyas, luos kales and others who are there. They are many many many and we never raised a finger against them. Its only the last last days that some people got scared and went to police station peacefully and we did not harass them. God will judge those who killed us elsewhere harshly. We didnt kill them! am writing from central.
    Ruto will champion the release of perpetrators and they will escape man but let them be assured that they will PAY THE PRICE OF KILLINGS DEARLY. HE IS THE BEST REVENGER.
    Those kiuks who kill their fellow kiuks and other tribes will face the same wrath of God who is the same yesterday today and forever more.
    GOD is GOD

  306. kenyanentrepreneur
    May 20, 2008 at 8:40 am

    Ciko:

    You are entitled to your own point of view and I am entitled to mine. I believe that William Ruto and other rich Kalenjins, planned this violence because there is no way you can ethnically cleanse half a million people in two days without prior planning.

    They are a lot of people who don’t believe Kibaki rigged. Raila thought he would win this election with an overwhelming majority, but the truth is, this was a very close election and the country is really divided 50/50.

    And I still maintain that william ruto is a murderous, war criminal and I hope that neither he nor raila ever see’s the inside of statehouse, ever.

    Have a nice day, dear.

  307. CIKO
    May 19, 2008 at 10:47 pm

    TO THE SELF PROCLAIMED KENYANENTERPRENEUR.

    I am a pure kyuk like you for your ref. Therefore, do not even dare play any tribal games for this matter. i find you morally and ethically bankrupt beyond repair. It takes the grace of God. you are such a tribalist and hateful person alive! you may wonna start working on changing your name from an enterpreneur to some evil name because you are truelly evil and your views are not fit for human species, and does not represent the majority views of the rest of the Kyuks!

    All my kyuk families from Nyeri to Kiambu fully understood that our fellow Kyuks(kibaki and his conterparts) rigged the elections, triggered anger among all other tribes, hence, the violence! You expected them to take it easy Ha! your mistaken! Our kyuk era is done, mark my word’s. The best thing for us to do is to accept our mistakes, learn from this, and attempt to build mutual relationships with the rest of the tribes. We will need them trust me. if you have nothing reasonable to say, shut up! and quit breeding hatred. I bet you are a frustrated, depressed, isolated guy with nothing positive to think of. i have never written such a harsh, stern message in my life but you surely deserve a reality check before you sleep.

  308. KE
    May 19, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Greg Marsh:

    why are you so sure that they will get rid of ruto?

  309. CHERUTO KOSGEY
    May 19, 2008 at 3:41 pm

    Jared u r so lost i see why u have 2 hate on all kales.Am sorry but u should reason before submitting a comment.Its such a shame u guyz (kiuks) u think that Kenya blongs to you and it does not matter whether you hate Ruto or not this is our guy now n forever and i think its just jealousy u guyz have.You have no effect on us we are proud kallez n there is nothin u can do to change that…………HAHA!

  310. Greg Marsh
    May 13, 2008 at 4:16 pm

    Getting rid of Rutto, though necessary and will happen, should not be the main focus. We are actively working to ensure that Kenyan government does not receive the funds its been asking for as long as the so called pentagon 5 thugs are members of the government.

    Oginga knew what was happenning and could have stopped the violence at any time and to include him and his thugs in the Kenyan government without cleared of criminal doings in the killing of 1500 kenyans is an indication that Mwai Kibaki and the lawfully elected government is not functioning as it should and therefore needs to be replaced.
    The current government has no mandate and is illegal and needs to be replaced. The USA government giving Oginga $300,000 should be seen as a far great support of the USA support of ethnic violence and encouragement against the kikuyus.

    Kenyan government is not ligetimate and should be overthrown.
    We have currently ensured 18 million dollars have not been given to government and given to Red Cross and NGO. Government cabinet ministers and their high salary should not benefit as a result of the ethnic cleansing of 1500 people and many more that have not been accounted for.

  311. Dickson Mugo
    May 9, 2008 at 10:53 am

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  312. Kibet
    April 30, 2008 at 3:23 pm

    I like how kiuks are angered by the might of Ruto and Raila. say what you say but time to ride over other kenyans is over. the reason most of you like to talk trash about others is because central is 99.999% of one single tribe (a classic defintiion of a jimbo!). if you had experience outside central you would probably be more liberal in how you see things. this does not apply to all kiuks, of course.

  313. Leoedd
    April 17, 2008 at 9:41 am

    You read me good. These guys dont know anything about the common man. That is why they regard them as freedom fighters. Thats why they think theyre Gods abnd pople will support them anytime of day whatever they do, even if they kill. They dont care about joblesness and thats why theyre just killing jobless youth who are paid few coins by malicuious politicians to benefit their political agenda like uprooting the railway. Mungiki is just as a result of poor governance, lack of job opportunities, and lack of opportunities for all. Theyre just available for teh selected few,esp in parliament. Who would be a night raider if they could afford a decent life? Were fighting the symptoms, instead of dealing with the root cause, so it keeps coming up all the time.

  314. wanyoba
    April 10, 2008 at 9:44 am

    Both sides of the divide are just…..crazy greedy guys. im based in nai & pissed to death about this guys. we need a new breed, young and with new ways of thinking. land aint the most lucrative resource the “brain” is. we should develop our people to dominate the region in trade and commerce and this wazee’s have let us down. where and how many job applications have any of this guys ever writen.. kibaki, raila, ruto, Uhuru name them.. they all had the same or somewhat similar sources of wealth thats politicaly connected sources. so how can we expect them to lead us to the promised land.. they all had the wrong begining…. otherwise why specialise in any field. We need new motivators and i have an idea of how…otherswise im in biz based in Nai- and this fucking guys are messing us all up.

  315. mundu wa nyumba
    April 7, 2008 at 12:42 pm

    Rutto is a daed man walking, not now, today but one day one time he will loose what is dear to him, thats the justice

  316. WaWambui
    March 23, 2008 at 10:44 am

    SILVER BULLET,

    Go ahead, buddy!!!

  317. silver bullet
    March 22, 2008 at 6:02 am

    agree with you 100%.can i be the one to kill himm!!

  318. Wa Wambui
    March 20, 2008 at 10:39 am

    SIGG K

    Your name is a tongue-twister of sorts!! In which world are you living? While Kenyans have decided to move on,one sod like you is still twaddling and twiddling with the past? By the way, are you aware that land transactions in the Rift Valley have been suspended? Sorting out historical injustices my toes!!

    For heavens sake, please save us the bilge!! By dwelling on the piffle of justifying the senseless killings that happened in the recent past, you are proving to the world that you are a dictionary of stupidity, a reference point of foolishness, and an encyclopaedia of idiosyncrasy! Please stop painting a bad picture of Kalenjins, since not all of them participated in the killings.

    Have you visited your home recently? Maybe not. Let me tell you this, Mr Empty Head, many of the youths who perpetrated the savage acts are ruing every moment of their lives. Those who are lucky to have escaped the long arm of law, are suffering psychologically. Please preach peace. Even though you are a kalenjin, it is good to learn some history.

    PS. By the way, common sense is paramount in this part of the world. If you lack some, it is better to shut up. By so doing, some people might think you are bright, and that may earn you some respect!!!!

  319. Sigg K
    March 16, 2008 at 10:34 am

    Everyone seems to hate these breed of people called The Kale! It doesn’t matter, I can assure you! Their beloved Rift Valley, though parts stolen by the Kikuyu through their Grand Father Kenyatta with the help of Moi, is not for cheap grab. Central Kenya has long been sefishly a Jimbo anyway, so keep it to yourseoves but keep your grabbing hands off other people’s property. Time has come to sort out this historical injustice…no matter what some of you try to threaten (like revenge! what revenge?)

    Have a great day

  320. Wa Wambui
    March 12, 2008 at 8:46 am

    The fact that calm has returned should not be mistaken for peace. The perps who the other day were busy talking war are now claiming to be advocating for peace. At the same time, they are busy calling for the release of those suspected to have taken part directly or otherwise in the recent killings especially in the Rift Valley. Talk of doublespeak!!! One thing that especially politicians should know is that unlike in the past land clashes, this time round, unless the people behind the recent killings are brought to book, the victims might be forced to take revenge.

    We all need to realise that more than 40 percent of the victims were attacked by people who they knew very well (friends and neighbours). The victims might not really go for any senior politician who may be perceived to have financed the tribal killings. All they know is that so and so attacked them. Those are the people they will go for. So, much as the deal has been reached at the political level, the criminal aspect that was occasioned by the stalemate should be addressed. We can not assume business as usual, yet people’s hearts are bleeding!! I know this will irk some quarters but it is the bitter fact. Unless justice is done, then this is just but a lull before a storm!!

  321. yu
    March 6, 2008 at 3:27 pm

    t

  322. J. AGOTA
    March 6, 2008 at 3:26 pm

    Note Kris, I did not say I hate all kales, I said or meant they should be ashemed. I am dissaponinted with all, I know 90% or more are very good but they should rise up and help identify the thugs. I am not a Kikuyu. But does it matter?, How will you feel if you know that somebodies mother, daughter, sister or son was raped or sodomized with the family wateching helpless?. Then Ruto goes arround with Lesso… teling police to stop investigations and padon the suspects?. That is what sucks.
    Jared.

  323. MZEIYA
    March 5, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    so KRIS,

    Do you like/support Ruto and if so, for what reason- honest question

  324. kris
    March 5, 2008 at 4:17 am

    JARED AGOTA… am a Kale, I was born and raised in Nai, went to sch. with other Kenyans in Nai, my entire schooloing life even high school [Kabarak], MY BEST BEST friend is a Kikuyu! by including all kales with Ruto, and claiming you hate all kales is not good at all, trust me..
    Our Farm is in Eldy [Chepkanga], and i spent my holidays there,trust me it also affected us psychologically and even physically, so dont include all kales in the hate, coz many of us are soo innocent! :cry:

  325. Wa Wambui
    March 3, 2008 at 9:37 am

    Let me thank one Koffi Annan for brokering the peace deal between ODM and PNU. It is my sincere hope that the deal holds. If both parties want this deal to have any meaningful reason, justice needs to be granted to those who were directly affected by the violence that was occasioned by the disputed election results.

    Fellow Kenyans, it is a fact that whereas Raila Odinga and a few athers were genuinely pursuing a purely political agenda, some politicians from Rift Valley were on an ethnic cleansing mission. One Jackson Kibor went ahead and confessed on BBC’s ‘Assignment’ programme that he hates Kikuyus. Unless some of these sods are brought to book, the victims might be forced to seek revenge on their on, and this may cause more mayhem. All those mentioned should be probed and , if possible, handed harsh sentences to deter others who might try to instigate violence in future. So far, since the 1992 clashes, no prominent politician has been arraigned in court.

    It is sad to note that the same people behind the violence are purporting to be preaching peace!! Satan must be celebrating!!!!

    Any way, we should never let this thing happen again. Personally, let me declare that I am a Kenyan and I am ready to forgive and move on. But I will never go near a ballot box, if voting means what I saw in Rift Valley. I was on the ground and I saw it all!!! But I stand to be corrected!!

  326. ED NyuOTA
    March 2, 2008 at 4:06 pm

    Stupid

  327. JARED AGOTA
    March 2, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

  328. JARED AGOTA
    March 2, 2008 at 3:56 pm

    To prove that Ruto actually organised his goons. His fellow Kaleo MPs are now all over pretending to preach peace but actually campainging for the deputy prime ministers position. They claim he (Ruto) has done alot for ODM. They should say he has organized many killings to deseve the post. Considering the 1000 dead, Raila should actually reward him. Shame on Ruto and all Kalleos.

  329. Hoho
    February 26, 2008 at 5:30 am

    Lets all stop being tribalistic and build Kenya. The kind of utterances I read on this blog show that most of us are so selfish and rarely think of others.

  330. Anonymous
    February 25, 2008 at 8:54 am

    their days are numbered, the murderers.why is it that arseholes all over kenya think that they can continually shit all over innocent wananchi and get away with it. trust me, even those who dont beleive in god know that the african traditional religion preached that thuggery is unacceptable. william ruto and his clique of loosers went ahead to BURN, underscore that, moi’s property, and the monkey knows very well that it is moi who created him. he should not be forgiven. he used moi as a shield to perpetrate violence in 92 and 97, now he is using raila as a shield to complete his final phase of getting rid of kyuks and minority kaleo’s and even he has been killing luos in rift. he wants rift to be left with his balls only or what? ruto should be killed by firing squad plus public stoning to avenge the death of all those luos, kikuyus, and kalenjins who died in rift for no good reason and for those pple whom he lied to that they can reposess land which they have already sold out to other tribes. trust me, our diversity is our pride and we will never be a single tribe country. we are too diverse to control. let us all support kalonzo for 2012 so that the greedy can pay a heavy price for the deaths by rotting jobless in their housses after we kick them out of the precincts of power

  331. takataka
    February 24, 2008 at 4:29 am

    start publishing in kiuk kwendeni

  332. jarateng
    February 23, 2008 at 12:19 pm

    Ruto & Co. will face the law in our courts. ODM will crumble in due course. The leadership is in 3 sets; Activist/Intellectuals, Moists & Populists. A marriage of convenience it was, no ideological objectives. Ruto is a Moist “dyed in the wool”. In the sun-set of 2002 Moi Rule he was incharge of internal security – where did he & zakayo cheruiyot take Felicien Kabuga (the famous architect of Rwanda genocide). Its evident they have subscribed and enacted Kabuga’s manuscripts word-by-word.

    Ruto belongs to the gallows – its Human Rights & Not a Political Question

  333. Mpendo
    February 22, 2008 at 7:29 am

    “What goes round comes around” Time is coming for Ruto, do not avenge, God says Vengeance is mine. Believe me you, the blood of innocents is already crying out for vengeance.

  334. MZEIYA
    February 21, 2008 at 1:26 pm

    WA WAMBUI,

    thx for giving it straight to that proudkaleo idiot. He’s so scared he ran away with his tail in between legs.he can’t even counter your arguments coz the only way he knows is thru bows and arrows, no wonder these guys are still hatin despite 24 years of them being in high office, yaani hawawezi kujisaidia!!! shame!

    nice posts you have there.

  335. Alun
    February 21, 2008 at 10:58 am

    A history of violence:
    From: http://www.ogiek.org/news-1/news-post-07-04-10.htm

    Bitter exchange in Parliament over Mt Elgon

    By EDWIN MUTAI
    THE KENYA TIMES

    05 april 07

    TEMPERS flared in Parliament yesterday as MPs traded accusations over the escalating violence in Mt Elgon that has so far claimed over 100 lives and displaced thousands of residents.

    Mt Elgon MP John Serut and his Eldoret North counterpart William Ruto, emotionally tore into each other over the blood-letting now going on in the area. Serut set the stage for the fierce exchange when he accused some MPs of bank-rolling the activities of people he called warlords operating in the district

    Challenged by Baringo Central MP Gideon Moi and Eldoret North MP William Ruto to substantiate his claims, Mr Serut named the warlord as one Fredrick Chesebe Kapondi.

    He went on to name MPs Ruto, Musa Sirma (Eldama Ravine), Jebii Kilimo (Marakwet East) ,Charles Keter (Belgut) and Franklin Bett (nominated) as the politicians allegedly financing Kapondi’s activities that has resulted to the killings and displacement of people in the area.

    The claims triggered an uproar and flurry of points of order from Railas Odinga (Lang’ata) and Charles Keter (Belgut) who asked the deputy speaker David Musila to make the planning assistant minister account for his utterances and flouting provisions of standing order by discussing the MPs without bringing a substantive motion.

    “I have evidence that Mr Ruto, Bett, Kilimo and Sirma have been to Mt Elgon to incite people to kill one another. In fact Mr Ruto told my people to reject the allocations in Chebyuk so that when ODM-K government comes into place, they will allocate them the whole forest,” thundered Serut amid a torrent of protests.

    But taking to the floor immediately, Mr Ruto shot back, accusing Serut of …sacrificing his people for the sake of supporting the government and dismissed claims that they (MPs) went to incite the public into violence when they made a bid to deliver food and blankets in a mission that failed to materialize.

    Ruto further accused Internal security minister and the government of failing to heed Opposition call eight months ago to address the issue but instead dismissed the MPs of playing politics.

    “It is a shame that this fellow (Serut) without shame is a person who pretends. It is shameful for this government to send police officers to burn down people’s homes and displace them and the minister is not doing anything for as long as the MP is supporting and voting for them in government,” charged Ruto amid thunderous applause from the Opposition. Mr Musila then in the Chair ordered Ruto to apologise and withdraw the statement where he called Serut a fellow.

    The debate on clashes that followed a motion of adjournment moved by Changamwe MP, Ramadhan Kajembe, degenerated into a shouting match, at one time forcing the Speaker, Francis Ole Kaparo, to rush back to the chambers to contain the situation.

    The Mount Elgon MP was later forced to withdraw his remarks and apologise after a bitter exchange with Opposition MPs .

    Ruto joined Kajembe in observing that over 150 people have been killed, hundreds others injured and over 50,000 displaced in the area ….yet the government has done nothing.

    And as Kaparo took control of the debate, an altercation ensued between Trade Minister Mukhisa Kituyi and Baringo Central MP Gideon Moi when the former said the problem of Mt Elgon is not for Kalenjins alone but for all the neighbouring communities.

    Kituyi said Mt Elgon violence desired attention from high political class, noting that his constituency which boarders the area has bore the brunt of the clashes. He said the violence has affected the Ndorobo’s more adversely than the Soi’s and asked the government not to over-react over the criminal activities going on in Mt Elgon.

    Mrs Kilimo and Frankilin Bett took issue with Serut’s comment noting, that they had gone to the area to address the plight of suffering women and children.

    Kajembe said his committee will be visiting the area next week to assess the nature of violence and prescribe solutions that the government should undertake.

    Internal Security minister John Michuki who bore the brunt of accusations from members for allegedly failing to address the matter reassured Kenyans and Mt Elgon residents that the matter will be resolved soon following a number of measures put in place by government.

    Michuki, while responding to the debate said the issue was purely a land matter but had been hijacked by politicians to advance selfish interests, noting that the government had dispatched a security team comprising 620 officers to contain the matter. wMichuki said the government would fast track issuance of title deeds to beneficiaries of Chebyuk phase III settlement scheme to lock out those who think that it will be halted to allow reallocation.

    Shadow security minister Joseph Nkaissery castigated the government for failing to address the issue and abdicating its role to protect and safeguard the lives and property of Kenyans, while Lands minister Prof Kivutha Kibwana pledged to address the land question and ensure that it is divorced from politics.

  336. Wa Wambui
    February 19, 2008 at 11:18 am

    Asma,

    I totally agree with you. Building institutions is the way forward. But for now, I feel that the immediate solution, though temporary, is to chase the wild cat called tribalism. Talk from some people and their pride in the so called warriors can not wash. Kenyans, please lets stop targeting some tribes for blame. Our real enemies are the political class.

  337. Asma
    February 19, 2008 at 5:36 am

    I see all this, I see Kenyans settled in other countries comfortable. I am sure if a Kenyan was pulled over by a cop for no reason – they would kick and shout racism. But in our own land we are doing exactly the same thing. I refer you to the second world war – victimization of one group for the ills of the whole country is unacceptable. We should at this forum be speaking about what systems are needed. The reasons why Kenyans are tribal is because the government has not worked for them – and they need their own in power to look out for their interests. So lets speak systems here. I am sure the perpetrators of the crimes will be brought to justice. Human Rights Watch and other organizations are onto it at the moment. But lets focus on what we have at hand. At the end of the day – we can hide in Europe or USA, but we need an identity and a country to be proud of – whether luo or kikuyu – we are Africans and we are the most vulnerable on this planet. Lets not in our stupidity make it worse for ourselves. We are adults with children and dreams. Lets be rational and work our imagination; remembering what happened in the second world war – hijacking identity as the root cause of ills does not work! Never has worked. Lets talk systems here!

  338. Wa Wambui
    February 18, 2008 at 8:25 am

    PROUD KALEO,

    Point noted. If you thought that I am the person to engage in tribal twaddle, then you are thoroughly mistaken! It is good to note that you are proud of your fellow kalenjin warriors. Funny!! The warriors who do not even know the concept of war?? What kind of warriors or fighters can justify killing women and children? These so called warriors who throw the old into the burning houses?? In fact it is a shame that they are called warriors. What I know from the kalenjin history is that warriors ALWAYS spared women , children and the old!!! So Mr Big Ego, we do not have worriors in the Rift Valley. They are some useless neanderthals posing as warriors.

    Anyway, you should be proud that I have created time to answer you, since I don’t think you are worth being granted audience by nursery school kids! From the way you phrase your sentences, I can’t help appreciating the wide gap between you and common sense!! It seems as if you have not travelled to your home to see the way your people have made the great step backwards. This bilge of celebrating violence should be destined to folktales. Not in the modern world.

    I have always asked this question and no Kalenjin has answered it, including you: Yes, it may be true that Kikuyus and Kisiis were settled in your homeland. But what about those Kikuyus and Kisiis who bought land from Kalenjins on a willing buyer-willing seller basis? What reason do you have that will lend creddence to your chasing them away?? Shouldn’t they be refunded their money instead?

    I don’t want to condemn the entire Kalenjin tribe for the atrocities committed against Kikuyus and other affected tribes. I know that there are many good Kalenjins who have worked hard to promote peace. Some have gone to the extent of hiding the innocent. I would also like to appreciate the fact that there are some Kikuyus who are not saints. But we should not condemn the entire tribe because of the mistakes of a few individuals.

    If you look at these facts, you will realise that Ruto Does not know every Kalenjin. Neither does Kibaki know every Kikuyu. Yes, you might win an argument by missing the point. That is what a proudkaleo would. In other words, you are just masquerading as a proud Kaleo. You are not. So please, I BEG YOU IN THE NAME OF YOUR ANCESTORS TO DROP THE NAME AND ADOPT A MORE BEFITTING NAME. Can I propose one? VENTILATING GAS BAG? If it does not wash,then I have more proposals!!

  339. proudkaleo
    February 17, 2008 at 12:21 pm

    @wambui and leoebb

    the majority of kyuks in rv got free land when kenyata was president. i am personally proud of ma fellow kalenjin worriors for evicting 500,000 plus kyuks.if u 2 have a problem take it to kibaki and see if he cares, u better pray that koffi annan talks work. as for rutto leave him alone, the day one of ua mungiki fags touches him u might as well split kenyan into tribal jimbos. if u have relatives in the military give them a call they will let u know whats going on.

  340. Wa Wambui
    February 16, 2008 at 6:53 am

    LeoEdd,
    A million thanks for offering one Paw a brotherly and wise advice. If he happens to write more tribal piffle, the best thing is to leave him alone since most Kenyans have learnt that we all need one another. Granted,every tribe has suffered in one way or another from the effects of these violence. Paw’s comments should be thoroughly ignored by any sane person!!!

    As for the rest of Kenyans, lets know that we hold our own destiny. We should not let these tribal chiefs confuse us that they are our leaders. They, together with the media and the civil society, have proved that they do not care about us. I am writing about the media because I am one of them and I know that most of the media houses, if not all, have been lopsided in their reporting. Granted,how can NTV defend itself yet people in the media circles saw one of their NTV cameramen, George Bwana participating in riots along Ngong Road?? How can they defend another of their recently contracted cameramen, Justin Ombati, who has been throwing tribal epithets at his Kikuyu colleagues and the entire Kikuyus and Kambas? Does the management of Nation Media group think that the counselling sessions they are holding, is doing anything to change the situation? The answer is NO!!

    Civil society activists, led by one Maina Kiai, chose to side with the opposition, instead of calling on both parties to stop the killings in Rift Valley- and other parts of the country!! Some of them pulled the political move- “our lives are in danger”. Crap!! Infact, Maina Kiai is payed by the tax payers who include people from all political persuations. No wonder he was booed by the victims in Eldoret. Most of the civil societies are infact political activists. I expect them to be on the ground advocating for peace, instead of running to courts as if they are the aggrieved parties. Frankly they should be giving us the correct data of the peop[le who have been killed, since the 1000 figure is of course not the truth.

    Kenyans, lets wake up and smell the coffee!!!

  341. Leoedd
    February 15, 2008 at 2:00 am

    Paw
    I think your problem is that you think as a tribe. This is the thinking that makes you part of the Lost generation. The reason that i went to tertiary school is to make me think universally, with foresight, knowing that there are other deep seating factors that govern affairs.I am not a partner in Kenyattasfamiy and if you have a problem with them, i think you are a coward. Why dont you deal with them personally? You are just like the kalenjin worriors who fight with no credible agenda, only to be shot by the Army! For your information, we dont go to peoples land, we BUY LAND ON SALE. Read the kenyan constitution and theres something guaranteed called freedom of ownership. If you have a problem with this you an go to Somali. Thats where warlords reign. Otherwise you need to have a bigger mind than the looters and the arsonists.
    As long as im concerned, Bantus, Cushites and Nilotes are all immigrants. If you think you own it , you displaced someone. So let them all go to where they come from,(Outside kenya), if that is the thinking. Dont have a small mind, your vision too will be small. Rise up for greatness, kenya ni yetu sote, even annan cannot rewrite the constitution. For your information, these parliamentarians, including those in ODM own land and property all over kenya. A land descrimination law cannot see the light of day in parliament. They would be the first loosers. So if you think such a bill can pass, youre one lost kenyan. Even annan himself can only be a fool if he supports it because he cant legitimise it.
    Parliamentarians from ODM and PNU own prime parcels of land in Central, Nairobi, Coast, and Rift VAlley. Theyve just brainwashed you to think about majimbo. Now that theyre in parliament, they cant pass such laws, They will buy more and more, you will remain poor waiting for them to liberate you yet they make themselves richer.
    Didnt you see Raila in Kisumu mass burial calling the dead freedom heroes and when one of their own parliamentarians died, the same MPs started asking for security within 24 hours, think!
    Many young kenyans have been brainwashed to act in contravention of the same constitution these MPs know too well. Consequences will be borne by the poor, some are dead, others maimed, others will head to jail soon, and the MPs continue to increase their loot!

  342. paw
    February 14, 2008 at 11:18 am

    You kyuks you have let the big families take all the land and you now go to peoples land.Take the Kenyatta Family,how many thousand of acres do they own?
    If you are so desparate for land , why don’t you go to North Eastern rather than going to areas where land has been pricely valued by the clan??

  343. KenyanGuy
    February 12, 2008 at 5:18 pm

    Leoedd & Razor,
    absolutely agree with you dudes.. Look at what these ODM supporters have done to our beloved Kenya. The sooner President Kibaki does something about these two thugs the better for the 100,000 children who are suffering in camps rights now, separated from their parents or orphaned. :sad:

  344. MZEIYA
    February 11, 2008 at 2:35 pm

    LEOEDD, RAZOR,

    I like ur points….

  345. XU Xuwang
    February 11, 2008 at 2:22 am

    RUTO is a dead man walking :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: . so those defending him its all a waste of time face the fact. May God have mercy on his soul. :neutral:

  346. Wa Wambui
    February 8, 2008 at 10:11 am

    The clams who have been defending Ruto and his murderous ilk should stop basing land issues on their warped sense of judgement. Pray, what can a person who bought land on a willing buyer- willing seller basis? Why do these Kalenins then refund the people they sold their land to? Ruto should know that he can run and hide, but not for long!!! And the issue of defending a criminal simply because he/she is your tribesman works perfectly in proving the neanderthal in you. Kalanjins should know that the savage acts of some of their collegues can easily scare old satan into seeking refuge in heaven!!

  347. Mshabik
    February 8, 2008 at 6:56 am

    Wewe nyamachoma it seem’z u r a “kipii” or a “Kivese” who is ashamed 4 still having ur foreskin nd u shudn’t worry because no1 is goin 2 take it from u….KENYA does not need such Danda’z like u just by tha way u tok it shows that “Akili ni Mali” na hauna ata kidogom,out of curiosity hw f..kng old ru u reason out like a typical brainless kid!!!grow up i rilly think that Johnny tried 2 make u understand but u seem to be tooo much of a fool 2 understand ..use ur fukng brain wat about the Kalenjins,Luo’z in central province????answer that u fukng baitch i wud rili like 2 see that stupid face of ur’z nd see wat u think…My main ques to u is wat if the pple in Central decide to kill the tribes killing kikuyus in central????but u see we r being wise coz every1 has a right to live unlike u who thinks we r land grabbers remove those primitive grandfather like thoughts u have in ur mind nd style up punk!!!screw u Biatch….nd beat that!!!!!!!

  348. razor
    February 7, 2008 at 7:13 pm

    Leoedd:
    I agree , Ruto will be sad history..nyayo,biwott, nyachae are not amused by him either. ..shindano hiko jikoni..and thats a different story which had nothing to with the elections ..just an unwise son of nandi who bought raila’s lie that he was the governer of the “state of the rift valley ” He was thirsty and he drunk from railas cup . And look at what he’s what done to our land, our beloved land of kenya.
    Simon:
    Please don’t ask who destroyed kisumu, its the very same people who should call kisumu their mother,the same people kisumu has fed, clothed and sheltered..they turned against her and struck her.
    Amazingly, the destroyer of industries,businesses, banks,hospitals and schools…were not by people from eastern,nairobi or central but by sons of the lake. The very basics needed for development..that’s what every politician will promise you even in the US….It’s the ECONOMY STUPID(they say ), healthcare and education the very elements required to break the cycle of poverty.
    Don’t cry kisumu….Raila will build you Industries and provide jobs, Equity Banks and provide loans, supermarkets and hotels and fish.
    How will nyanza compete in this day and era…. when the developing world is struggling to put their infrastructure in place to short-circuit the West..like China and India have done,and like kenya was striving to do. “What have you done to me, my son” kisumu cries in ashes.
    You burnt schools, where will bill gates put his dream.”..a computer for every home..” who will hire the daughters of kisumu when their boss leaves town, and where is your bread coming from when the industry leaves to kisii. Tell me my fellow kenyan…tell me luo man. If you cant , then ONLY TIME WILL TELL.

  349. wa wambui
    February 7, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Yes!! Ruto might be a dead man walking, but you should not forget that there are some so-called elders who are also behind these chaos in the Rift Valley. The twerp admitted on BBC that he ordered youths to attack Kyuks in Rift Valley. About Raila… maybe Nyachae will handle him. After all,his Swani Industries was burnt down in Kisumu!!!

  350. Leoedd
    February 7, 2008 at 3:27 am

    The Luos have a saying that you teach a man to fish, than give him fish every day. The problem is that these people dont want to be taught to fish. And want to get rich through the back door. Pole sana. Presidency does not make you rich. Hard work can change your life economically, but you need to learn the ropes well from them that know the game. If we Kill the teachers, then were sentenced to eternal poverty.These people with all the PHDs and Professors dont seem to grasp the idea. Theres no substitute for hard work. Ask me for evidence and ill ask you why the Kalles are fighting after having their own for 25 years. Moi also removed kiuks from govt and i have no problem with that. When i see afully grown up man waiting for another man to help him, i really pity him. Go out there and do somthing to change your life. If you take an arrow the Army will clear you out. ha ha ha ha!

  351. ndemengo
    February 7, 2008 at 3:07 am

    Nyama choma, have your foreskin removed!!!!!!!!!! this act will make you a man! from then you will start seeing the problems your so called tribesmen and also the Ruto led pple have put us through.

  352. kenyanentrepreneur
    February 6, 2008 at 5:35 pm

    Mzungu:
    Why are you here reading my “sophomoric” ideas? :cool:

  353. Mzungu
    February 6, 2008 at 5:15 pm

    KE:

    Your ideas are sophomoric.
    Your intellect is less than stellar.
    Daddy must have been rich to send you to school in the US, where you borrowed those quaint ideas?
    And how did daddy get rich?

    You and the Hutus and the Interahamwe and the Serbs – all borne of the same mother?

  354. Leoedd
    February 6, 2008 at 2:05 am

    Razor,
    I think you read me good. It has actually been turned to a hooligan-town, and the violence that they started against some tribes has been turned against their own. Im sure if the election is repeated, the middle income earners of the Luo would vote differently. I wonder how it would be if i would be a president of looters. They would even loot state house and Central bank.
    I said that we need to know that in the times we live in theres no time for negotiation. We live in a time of consequences. While life is moving normally in eastern, central, Coast, and almost normal in Nairobi, ODM strongholds are falling apart. I dont see norm returning soon in trhese areas. Poverty will strihe harder like a thief in the night and before they know it, they will be pleading with these people to go back. In their tears and Joblessness, Raila and ruto are seeking more funds from donors and enjoying affluence in Town.
    It breaks my heart to know that poor little children will suffer most, from decisions they know not of, but the lessons learnt will be so terrible, that it wont happen again in the near future!
    Razor, why do i have the feeling that the government is using negotiations to buy time and investigate these clashes further? Its justs a feeling i have that its just the Committees Moi set up, to buy time. I have this feeling that he may be sent off by Government if he proposes anything that is against the present constitution. This is because in such a situation , a loophole is created that creates room for a coup as the one in 82. And im sure Martha Karua is watchful enough. I think the right machinery is being set up to deal with the Killer gangs, their sponsors and the organising agents. Theyre just buying time to restore order in the whole country and then act. I dont think Kibaki is interested in Annan. After all, he has already told them to go to court, does that not give you a hint? and do you think he can resign, and let the Raila Looters Corporation, Starring One Dangerous Man loot the country, and Loot the Sweat of Others,? He simply cant!Reason: He represents the wealthy and the Middle Class and the Hardworking kenyans. Even the people who voted Raila have already changed their mind, except the members of the Looter corporation!

  355. razor
    February 5, 2008 at 6:00 pm

    Enterprenuer:
    There is a genuine discussion here and i learned from both sides…but erase some posts like nyamachoma, he has a rotten mind. You can tell where he spends most of his time.

    Ruto is a dead man. We had questioned why venom was in his fangs. we know now! He would get away..He is scared you can tell.
    For the luos , they are set up for poverty.. kisumu may end up like kibera, if they destroy kisumu what do they have left..Ain’t nobody is helping you rebuild…Its not happening ,even the learned luos (doctors, lawyers etc) will live in nairobi and other towns..cos they won’t risk the looting. Just as raila turned kibera to one of the biggest slums..be wary of his leadership people of nyanza.
    As for the kyuks….I dont think there be another kyuk prez for years to come.

  356. nyamachoma
    February 5, 2008 at 8:46 am

    Leoedd, for yr information, i dont have a fore skin and if u didnt ask about it, why bother answering…
    U C my point???Now thats being irrelevant!! Thats how pple fail in exams and life generally! pocking yr nose into other pple’s businesses wont help u! Thank you, though. At least u r one person who juaz some of ‘our men’ are circumcized, n for those who r not, it aint big of a deal! It still hits our right SPOTS!!!BUT DO I SAY…

    I just hope my point is clear and that kikuyus can start thinking like they have ‘brains’…i find them too dumb..

    now back to politics!

  357. masaa
    February 4, 2008 at 8:39 pm

    Its not after reading the African Policy brief which is easily searchable online or here http://www.makutano.co.za/word.....8.pdf,that i believe the whole rigging if it ever occurred was like a blessing in disguise for Kenya.Prior to that and other proof of pre-meditated violence that i am in pocession of,i was pro-Odinga,solely for me because i thought he appeared more sensible and in touch with the people-there’s not a fibre in me that didnt trust him,but i am not surprised to find myself,like very many Kenyans brainwashed through Ukranian and our colonisers tactics of divide and rule.I feel somehow confident that if everyone scrutinised the guys past,his associates and his electability which even ruto once questioned,this guy would not have had the advantage he was/still is boasting.Kenyans must WAKE UP NOW,and especially those killing their fellow brothers!!! Raila’s and Rutos agenda did not have you in mind!! do you really think that bringing in Majimbo marketed through ethnic cleansing will make sure that you have an alternative to the normal Tilapia? I have never been a tribalist and even after these events i wont be,WHY? because i believe those killing my kikuyu brothers are doing it out of being misinformed,misled and i dont believe that if they REALLY KNEW THE TRUTH BEHIND the “leader” they thought they were voting for, they would best have voted for Kalonzo-not that am his advocate A subscriber in youtube uttered that”Kenyans are not politically mature”,a sentiment i agree with,but Kenyans must learn from this mistake,they must realise politicians even Kibaki,Blair,Bush Obama,Clinton etc…will manipulate people the best they can,to get their votes.Raila has used the worst manipulation you could think of,he has made poor kenyans anti-kikuyu,yet failed to give them an alternative.So what happens to the poor myaluo who had gone to central and secured himself a job and still voted Raila and now back in Nyanza with no food and no real prospects.What part of you makes you think Raila will remember you,and how much can Kenya do without Kyuks who you’ve all been advised to hate. But all is not lost if people unite behind the government and deal with this evil that is trying to separate us The founders of our nation have always preached peace and unity but Raila did not have any of that stained in his efforts to be president,infact his efforts had bloodclots all over. And i agree that ethnic cleansing was a pre-meditated act engeeered by ODM through Ruto. Kenyans must realise that divisive policies will never head us anywhere. I never for a minute thought i would miss Moi,and although he was imperfect, he tried to preach unity and peace.You are now killing each other,others are still being brainwashed while Tanzania takes advantage of the crippled haulage business,tourists pack and go,economy suffers many more devilish misfortunes happen.KENYANS MUST WISE UP!! THINK BEFORE YOU VOTE NEXT TIME. in the mean time,continue to support Kibakis government,not because of anything else-but because you believe you have something to lose as a KENYAN,under ODM

  358. leoedd
    February 4, 2008 at 10:57 am

    Nyamachoma,
    I think you have a problem with your foreskin, nobody asked you about it. You are the only one who knows about it anyway. There are many luos who are circumcised as a matter of choice. The only problem is that i dont think you can express yourself without needing to insult. We need ideas and opinions, not the trash that appears under your name. It just tells us who you are, and what you mostly do….
    The main problem with many kenyans is that they are colonised and find themselves inferior. I think if you look at all other views in this blog, they express an honest opinion which i respect, whether you support ODM/PNU or just a peace initiative. not insults. Thanks to the great kenyans who can express ideas either in PNU or ODM and still respect the opinion of others. Our opinions however need not be the same, our choices need not be the same, but if our differences separate us, we are fools. If our differences unite us, theres nothing we cant succeed at!

  359. kadash
    February 4, 2008 at 7:12 am

    can u ALL stop and listen to urselves for a minute…….y’all doing the same thing the rest of the people out there who are killing, maiming and destroying are doing

    you are ALL spreading the hate when what we need is peace and love

    once again, just like those killing and destroying, you are all lackeys of politicians who dont give a darn about you

    dint we ALL see Kibaki, Raila, and Ruto all having tea, smiling, laughing and chatting happily with each other. were they fighting or arguing or shouting or killing each other or burning each others houses or cars????

    NO they dint , so y do we do it? do we see akina kibaki junior and Fidel going to the streets to throw stones or shout for their fathes?? so y should we?? those peeps are busy making their cash, am sure they laugh their asses off at us, foolish people, losing our jobs ati coz we burnt down the company we used to work for, all in the name of their fathes……………..Niggers please!!!

    wake up, open your eyes people. LETS START SPREADING LOVE INSTEAD OF ANIMOSITY OR IN THIS CASE TRIBALISM.

  360. nyamachoma
    February 4, 2008 at 12:28 am

    xxxx

  361. nyamachoma
    February 3, 2008 at 12:25 am

    HIHIHIHIHIHI..johnny, am glad i’ve hit the truth in you..i feel n see how bitter it is!!!
    imekuingia kweli kweli…u r such a kikuyu, i can tell from yr broken english and heart! And which dictionary were using to get the insults from???am thinking of a grade to give u…but i spoke my mind and am glad u gat it!!!BE GONE! i guess you’ve started the ‘gospel blog’ elsewhere…
    A mama like me can shut u like that???aaaaarrrrr.
    KIKUYU ASHINDWE!!! U MUST BE KIBAKI’S SHAMBA BOY AMA DID U USED TO LICK LUCY KIBAKI’S COOCHIE?????EEEWWWW
    NO WONDER Y’ALL THINK THE SAME! WAIT N SEE MY PREDICTIONS COME TRUE..YOU’LL BLOG BACK N ACKNOWLEDGE MY SHARPNESS!!!

  362. bobo
    February 2, 2008 at 7:14 am

    i will agree with kalle, the main problem is the sheer lack of liberal minds within our society…….we need to respect and understand different political opinions. maybe ruto is what you say but have you stopped to consider what if he is not and just maybe he is the one to unite kenya in the future :idea:

  363. simon
    February 2, 2008 at 6:43 am

    Its sad to read what people have to say about what is happening again i say its sad.

    A killer is a killer from what ever angle you may want to look at,what these killers should know is that they will one day have to pay for the crimes that they have commited it may take one day or ten years it doesnt matter.

    No body sent an application letter to be born a Kikuyu or A luo or a Kalenjin so we should all be proud of who we are.What will differentiate us from the rest is our ability to differentiate between what is right and wrong.You may abuse each other on this Blog but this just shows what is going on in your heads and what type of people you are.

    In Kisumu the town is totally destroyed and i have friends who are still held up there and are unable to get back to Nairobi,who destroyed this city???the same with most of the towns in Western,and rift valley,who will rebuild these towns?

    In central,Eastern and North Eastern every thing is intact and people are still building their country and welcoming back their relatives who have been evicted from the above areas.

    We need to preach peace and advise our people that they need to go back to work and stop the destruction as its the poor people of kenya who are now suffering and will continue to suffer.The politicians and their relatives are safe,their children are going to school as usual and their companies are going on.

    the points have been made but will these politicians ensure that changes will be made i think NO.They had a chance after 2005 but they took that chance to further their greed for power and they have succeded in ensuring that the country is divided along the ethnic lines and i hope every TRIBE will now be able to develop their areas,employ their people,utilise their resources etc.

    My question is Who will bring our country together again???Ruto?Raila?Kibaki?Uhuru?Balala?Anan?USA?UK?EU?Peacekepers?You?

  364. Johnny
    February 1, 2008 at 10:51 pm

    Nyamachoma, you are a pathetic excuse of a human being and you are so hateful that you are disgusting. You can shout from the top of the mountains but kikuyus are hear to stay. Kill as many as you can you blood thirsty bigotted murder and by the time your life comes to an end there will be kikuyus walking in this world. You cannot even explain your point because you are such a sorry human being did I say human being ? I meant piece of shit, you bring the issue of circumcisionI dont care about that, waoh something must make you so bitter that if you could ,you could spit fire, but i guess you are just a miserable excuse of a person. And dont bother replying to me , i am not coming back to these blogs because to have to read from animals like you is not worthy it. You are simply pathetic, and you can shout all you want but you are not the kind of human being , animal or even thing to change anything. Again I say people like you , if you are a person, it would have been better for mankind if they never would have been born. Sorry for the wonan that gave birth to a monster like you.

  365. jay
    February 1, 2008 at 3:58 pm

    Am not a kale but i honestly dont understand what this fixation on Ruto is all about. Kyuks you should blame your leaders. It is true they do not care about anything but their wealth. It is ridiculous to point fingers at the rift-valley saga whereas nobody is saying anything about the massacres and the evictions going on in central province right now. Whats with the hypocrisy. Or does it work on one ethnic group and not for the other?

  366. nyamachoma
    February 1, 2008 at 1:42 pm

    This is for Johnny..no i can neither chat up nor shut up! was that meant to be a joke???very funny!!!
    FYI kibaki’s health is pathetic, his primitive wife doesnt make it any better! He’s old and drinks like his dick is dehydrated and needs alchol to keep it going!
    On top of all this, he shamefully rigged and now all the pressure!!
    Do u go to school…Cant these things cause depression, stroke etc..
    And which part of ‘the wages of sin is death’ dont u understand?
    DEAD MAN WALKING..I REPEAT!!!
    Take it or leave it…Air yr next views in yr arse hole and stop mentioning God in all these blogs..i mean choose to be either cold or hot. Why are u lookwarm??These blogs are all rubbish, either u write em or start a gospel blog..dont mix!
    I’ve never liked the way kikuyus think especially when they say jangoz cant be leaders coz they dont get circumsicized! Now, what has a mere ‘fore skin’ gat to do with leadership?HALLO??? It still can get an erection and make a woman cum!!!thats all that matters!
    If u visit diff churches, pple take biscuits n juice etc but it all symbolizes one thing “communion”. The same way, kikuyus circumsize their men, jangoz have their six lower teeth removed, somebody else could choose to have his finger chopped to identify their men as brave!NOW WHAT??
    GET OVER THIS…AM SORRY TO SAY, BUT ‘KIKUYUS’…MUSHINDWE!

  367. kwa-wor
    February 1, 2008 at 6:30 am

    rudisha Moi.

  368. Leoedd
    February 1, 2008 at 2:26 am

    You thought i was crazy on my posts above, and some thought i speak because i belong to certain tribes. Never rejoice when your neighbour falls, you may be felled by the same or worse. 1 more MP dead. Check my prophecy, many more on the line. Even if it means a chopper developing a fault, security wont stop this. God will create circumsttances and instances to remove this inhuman breed of politicians from the face of the earth.. When anumals are killed inhumanly, the European union cannot accept that meat. We kenyans have turned to become worse than animals. I dont care whether you are mungiki or taliban. And if you preach violence, your son or daughter or loved one could one day be felled by these beasts, then youll change your tone, and start preaching peace and asking for security like our stupid MPs. The only problem is that youll not afford it, theyll not licence a gun to you, and you live in a risky neighbourhood. Your boss could be a kiuk, bread on the table could be available no more , or a kalle, who thinks kiuks should be eliminated. Plant seeds you would love to harvest. Dont have a small brain like our dishonoured MPs.The innocent blood is just too much.

  369. Johnny
    January 31, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Can this Nyamachoma just chat up? He is so hateful of the Kikuyus . How can one man or woman be able to hate so much. How can anyone justify people being killed like animals. Nyamachoma , are you real? Do you have a dad and a mum, sisters and brothes, spouse and maybe even children? Do they know you? I feel so bad for them coz sorry i do not consider you human. Today you are happy and I bet you drink a beer for every kikuyu that dies but it may be someone else tomorrow, and your elusions and biggest dream will not come true , like the Jews kikuyu some kikuyus will still survive however many you guys are planning to kill. So sorry but the kikuyu extinction is not happening in your time. I hope the good GOD will have mercy and you and cleanse you of all your hatred before you explode. If it is all engraved in your miserable genes then we have a problem.

  370. nyamachoma
    January 31, 2008 at 12:30 pm

    Nope, kibaki is a dead man walking! I already foresee his death..he wont survive the 5 yrs…..Ruto is alive n kicking!

  371. A rear Kikuyu
    January 31, 2008 at 7:17 am

    What goes around comes around.

    I think all the animosity/clashes against Kikuyu’s is all about Jelousy and Envy Period!
    Passerby… you nailed it,
    “…..I do have a question for all of you! Has anyone,and i mean anyone thought for a minute,since Moi started this clashes in 92,the kikuyu did nothing!…….SILENCE!,same regions again when Moi lost to Kibaki,the kikuyus said nothing……..SILENCE……….million dollar questions this is the third time………….. only this time its a massive displacement,300,275. in 2 days…..”

    Exodus 20:2–17
    13 You shall not murder.
    15 You shall not steal.
    17 You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.

  372. Leoedd
    January 29, 2008 at 3:12 am

    Just read the reply posted by Leoedd (24th Jan reply). I did foresee this and i said there was no need to argue. We live in a time of consequences. Days have proved me right. Not that im happy, but until when politicians see themselves and their children as targets of the violence they instigate, they will never see a reason to preach peace. When a average/poor kenyan dies, they are called fighters for the rights of politicians, (call it rightly- the fatter wallets of politicians) . Lets see what will be said now that one of their own is dead. It will undoubtedly affect more of them,with time. this my spirit tells me. You dont tell the youth to take up arms and fight. Once the guns go to the wrong people, dont forget that you earn the biggest salary, they will come for you!
    Kenyans lets think harder,our politicians have no plan for our country!

  373. Anonymous
    January 28, 2008 at 3:07 am

    Rwanda in Kenya is happening as we speak so let it not be a threat. Ruto is still a dead man walking and he knows it.

    A prayer for Kibaki :

    Father Lord, I come to you this afternoon with Thanksgiving, praises and glory for the blood of your son JESUS that he died on the Cross for our sins. Father of all Fathers we are not perfect Lord, but I know that you said your will shall be done and will be done. Lord I ask for your mercies to befall us GOD during these hard times and all the destructions of mankind. Save us JESUS, We cry unto you Lord. Please hear our prayers and cries of Peace with the people of Kenya . I want to put Brother Kibaki in your hands GOD I know that you have a plan for him and your will shall be done in his life. King of Kings, Jehovah of all mankind let your miracles be seen in Kenya. Save us from all evil and deliver us from sin and Lord may your will be done and in JESUS name I pray and believe. AMEN.
    I proclaim In the Name of JESUS that you are the chosen leader and no man shall harm you and if they try to do it your blood shall haunt them and their children and their children’s children and for generations to come. So for all those destructive people out there please leave the man of GOD alone for he is anointed and he serves a living GOD and I say this prayer as an interception for him that justice may be done.

    Keep strong Mheshimiwa and may those who are trying all the dirty tricks like AGWAMBO, RUTO and KOSGEY know that you are covered by the blood of Jesus Christ. I declare you washed by the blood of jesus.

  374. KenyanMeru
    January 27, 2008 at 3:49 pm

    I think all the animosity/clashes against Kikuyu’s is all about Jelousy and Envy Period!
    Passerby… you nailed it,
    “…..I do have a question for all of you! Has anyone,and i mean anyone thought for a minute,since Moi started this clashes in 92,the kikuyu did nothing!…….SILENCE!,same regions again when Moi lost to Kibaki,the kikuyus said nothing……..SILENCE……….million dollar questions this is the third time………….. only this time its a massive displacement,300,275. in 2 days…..”

    Exodus 20:2–17
    13 You shall not murder.
    15 You shall not steal.
    17 You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.

  375. Kenyan for Kenyans
    January 27, 2008 at 12:35 pm

    Kenyan Entrepreneur,

    Please provide evidence of your claims. No person should be presumed guilty until proven so.

    Regards,
    Kenyan for Kenyans

  376. Tim
    January 27, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    Nandi is not a large tribe to create such intense debate, please tell us the truth who is behind you and how the other army responsible for killing kisii and kiuks looks like in size. Ruto is a dangerous man and he deems fit for Gods punishment.

  377. Anonymous
    January 26, 2008 at 2:53 pm

    Leave William Ruto alone………ya all kikuyus are jealous that kales have a leader who cares for them (RUTO). We love Ruto. And try doing anything to him ….and you will see Rwanda in Kenya. We will and we wil defend Ruto……

  378. Folithi
    January 26, 2008 at 12:32 pm

    Blame game as its been always, politics of hate and tribal prejudice, showing major divisions. Intellectuals who one would think have a common voice of reason, if it werent for the fact that coomunication is through the internet then they would pick up machetes n pangas. Its with dismay and disbelief to see individuals like my learned friend kalle full of fallacious stereotype based on unfound justification abt a specific tribe. letting emotional content negate the truth stands no point in justice. Ruto is known with credible evidence since he ws jobless early 1992, how he fraudulently acquired wealth, ws protected by Moi, etc. to mention bt a few. Dear kenyans, lets remember that rationalizing wont solve anything. Lets face the real facts. The voters,taxpayers living together for years realise they r greatest enemies just bcoz of some useless demonic politician whose family is not anywhere near the skirmishes. My dear contributor ur argument of mungiki killing pple too to compliment the ongoing violence is misplaced and inconsequential. You cannot compound a problem with another bearing in mind that these are innocent lives being lost. Look at it from more humane realistc dimension and preach peace.mimi ni kalenjin,wewe ni kikuyu,yeye ni dholuo,wao ni walalo so what????are we not kenyans? Every opinion counts in a democratic society. JUSTICE FOR ALL

  379. Vist
    January 25, 2008 at 2:22 pm

    Ruto is innocent get it from me. What we need to do is seriously pray for Kenya. Lets not blame one another. We shall not get anywhere if we do so.

  380. Dedeg
    January 25, 2008 at 10:41 am

    Hey guys open up your minds and eyes and if they are blind, you can wash with eye salve so that you can see!! Anyway have digested most of your comments and its clear most of us are thinking just across the nose Sorry to say it.
    Get this paraphrase; In my motherland there are some kind of eagles that hunt chickens for their pray. Normally when that happens, as a farmer you don’t just curse the hawk without asking yourself where the hen was loitering. Take the bull by its horn, my offspring is from kyuks but I stand to say that the damage was done Kibaki and his greedy lieutenants stole kenyan votes let’s start from there.
    As a democratic kenyan having rightfully participated in the exercise of showing my patriotism as a kenyan I am to demand for my right if in any way it was violated. I bet you dont join the michuki and karua club of saying that no vote was stollen and as a gornment they dont see any problem yet lives of kenyans are lost as a result of that. What has Hon Ruto has to do with the police killings that is arousing the wrath of kenyans when they are not given a chance of demanding for their right. When you comment first open you heart then your mind.
    The Kikuyus will continue to suffer if they will not cease from seeing themselses as monarchy using force in excersing their politics just to maintain thier status forgetting the aftermaths of their greed.
    Its better you steal somebody’s property coz he might not know you hence forget abt it easily than to Rob somebody coz he will see you, know you and will be hard to forget abt the ack.
    Let Kibaki rich out and quench the burning hearts of all kenyans coz he’s the coz of the killings I believe. Let everybody carry his/her own cross. Dont throw it Hon Ruto.
    Think Positively.

  381. frenzy
    January 25, 2008 at 6:45 am

    i think that the eldoret massacre was funded for and planned. the odm team has had mass prayers for those in kibera and kisumu. why arent they planning mass prayers for those killed in the eldoret church? is it that they are not human beings or is it that dont care at all about them because most of those killed were kikuyus? this is all as a result of the majimbo. i blame it all on majimbo and the pple who came up with the idea in the first place. we used to all live as good neighbors but now neighbors are becoming enemies forgeting that the pple who came up with the idea of majimbo are still friends regardless of tribe. look at railas son? isnt he engaged to be married to a kikuyu? pple let us spred a word of peace and as for ruto, look into the needs of the pple in eldoret. they are suffering whether they voted for you or not, as a good leader i suggest that he acts in a democratic manner with no favorism as to tribe. after all we are all kenyans.

  382. arap too
    January 25, 2008 at 4:32 am

    if you think i do not know what i am saying then look out for this post on the thread “Economic tribalism”

    # ndegwaon 22 Jan 2008 at 7:06 am
    I agree with gichuki on this, LETS OPEN OUR EYES, how else can you explain someone saying that we have to finish ruto….. unless we want the kikuyu community to disappear from the face of the earth! my uncle used to leave and do business in eldy , if you have been there, then you know WHITE CASTEL MOTEL, the building plus all the businesses inside including the discotheque[underground], was sold to a kale at a throw away price… i felt bad, but could’nt help it, mu uncle didi not just decide to sell it at a throw away price, no! he experienced what gichuki is calling a fight against the kikuyu… he is not goning to set foot in eldy ever, simply because my uncle was arrogant to the local community, he never hired any kalenjin even the cleaner, and yet he was doing business there, in kalnjin land, atleast he would have done some PR,and to make matters worse, his kids [the sons] were soo arogant to the people.

    They had warned him of his and his son’s habits, and yes luckily they were not attacked but were told to disaapear into THIN AIR!!!! we are now counting losses, and simply because of our horns arrogance

    May God save and bless kenya

  383. arap too
    January 25, 2008 at 3:57 am

    Someone just play us the clip where Ruto is inciting the kallees. Just give us some hard concrete evidence.
    Elections were stolen live on TV and how else do you think pple would vent their anger ?
    If you are a kyuk in Eldoret, try INTEGRATING with the locals and stop feeling superior. Wazunguz still present learn the local lingua and marry local girls. You DONT
    How the hell can you name a village in ELDORET 30 km to the interiror NYAWIRA village.
    How dare you call your host “rumbwa” is it a dog or what ?How dare you look down on your host.
    How dare you still our land through your “great” forefather Mr. Kenyatta
    How dare you ??
    Im afraid that the kyuk in Central and other parts has no idea that the Rift Valley kyuk suffers form attitude superiority problems.
    The killings are unjustifiable. But what with a feeling of helplessness brought about by the obove, just to mention a few, reasons.
    Lets all preach peace. But we dellude ourselves if we think that there can be peace without justice in this land.

  384. ndemengo
    January 25, 2008 at 3:31 am

    Even without hiring a hit squad to smoke Ruto out, the act of burning down a church housing old women and childen who subsequently perished alongside the church is enough to trigger God’s Wrath against everyone who has funded or participated in this orgy anyhowly. May God bless Kenya

  385. ARAP SEI
    January 25, 2008 at 12:24 am

    RUTO IS THE CULPRIT

    Kenya: Opposition Officials Helped Plan Rift Valley Violence

    Police Should Protect Displaced Persons Camps

    Opposition leaders are right to challenge Kenya’s rigged presidential poll, but they can’t use it as an excuse for targeting ethnic groups.
    Georgette Gagnon, acting Africa director at Human Rights Watch

  386. Kips
    January 24, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Ruto never ever told anyone to take a machete and chop off anyones head…So you shut the f*** and fess up . The Mwizi the cookers of votes are the ones.Those whom turned around quit knowinly the meaning of devolution are the one behind the killings.The mungikis are behind.Have you ever heard a Kale taking the snuff shit?.

  387. Kips
    January 24, 2008 at 9:43 pm

    Well i have seen many day dreamers here and some crooks as well who are just here to smoke their anger to well informed and well rounded Ladies gentleman of our blessed nation.
    Let me put ma point straight because i dont want to stomach none sense with some senseless rattlers.

    Kenya is bigger than just Raila and the so called “president Kibaki” (the dictator). The said Kibaki would have gone down in african histry and probably the world as a true leader to be immulated if he had in the first place just ran for one term as Kenyan president and quit after five years after having brought up Economy from the toes to the knee then let the fresh blooded ‘turks’ take the mantle.

    I would have named my son (yet to be born) and a street to my house after him and even dedicate just a room in my house to him.Thats how people who cares about their countries does (rember the Blessed Mandela) .He would have left Kenya and Kenyans not only alive, lively, loving, democratic, just and bright but also smiling.Now we are mourning. woe unto you Kibaki.The blood of innocent children, women and peace loving Kenyans will always haunt you and your sturbon (like she goat on heat) wife.

    :twisted:

  388. Leoedd
    January 24, 2008 at 4:26 am

    Time tells the truth, all i can say is wait, the wounds that have been open are painful, and wont heal soon. There are three things that a Kikuyu never forgets when wronged.The wife, Children and His property. Kning that these peiople have money, all the would need to activate are the paid hitmen. We live in Kenya and these things exist. Reserve your comments on this please. Give it 10 years and comment thereafter. It will be a sad story for many. And many will have wished they let this 2 men fight with themselves but respect their neighbours. All stole votes, its just the methods of rigging that varies. One rigged proffesionally and sent the results very early because they knew once announced they cant be cancelled. The other did it late and the lawyers knew the implications. Face the truth. Were culprits of the machinations of ODM and PNU. And sice were seen as individuals, in some peoples world, forgiveness doesnt exist. There may be silence between us, but no one should mistake it for peace. The Government never donates money to a tribe. Think. All you need to do is visit the land of the Kalenjin. Honestly with a Prezzo of 25 years, these guys would be driving limos. Few did benefit but the rest, if that was their mission remain poor, vengeful and vote with the same mind. Grow up and see the kikuyus still did well even in Mois time wit the clashes and the rest. Its a question of attitude. If you need to know why, read the book”The Richest Man in Babylon”. Gives you a better idea on how to make money. The rest is Scrap. Kibaki owes me or my relatives nothing. I was ready for Railas presidency if declared the winner, but looting cannot make you rich, arson steals Jobs from your brothers. Central is still intact and not burning. Nyachaes company employing more than 300 was burnt. Dont you think something is wrong with the way we think? Seriously he must have sent his lawyers to the insurance company, but im almost sure he may not set it up there again! Who lost really? Famine might rock the country. Who will suffer most? Nort eastern, Western and parts of eastern. The Kikuyus mostly have a way to go round it. At least they can buy.
    Honestly, i see a bad precedent where one applies for a job, and since the company is owned by someone hurt by the happenings, no Job for certain ethnic inclinations. Want to rent a house owned by an indian or a Kiuk, all houses have been taken up, yet with no occupant.
    I may sound crazy or an extremist, but the wounds left by Raila, Ruto, Kibaki and other crooks will affect our very lives in a hard way, after the guns have stopped.

  389. Passerby
    January 21, 2008 at 1:06 am

    They shall not kill or covert another man’s property.

    From what i have read i shall only say, Good luck to Ruto and his geniuses.

  390. Kibet
    January 20, 2008 at 9:20 pm

    every one knows that kiuks can not say anything positve about someone that’s not their own. This time they will talk of Ruto because he is strong. I know most of you have listened to him. The man is a genius, to say the least. People of Eldoret worship him. He does not fail them either – be it when addressing crowds or organizing projects. Infact the whole rift region love the man. so say what u say but he is there to stay. The man is rich, which Kenyan mp is not? Murungaru was in govt shorter than Ruto., but he is a millionare. Before you start demonising leaders from other tribes, start with your own. Rift Valley we all gave our seats to Raila. we have stood with him during times of trial, we will even stay firmer at Ruro’s side. Criticize Ruto and of course you will receive a lot of ‘yays’ from your tribesmen. we will also give you enough ‘nays’, we might not say it because we already know what you think about ther rest of us all but the way riftvalley is responding, Ruto is our leader and will be alive as long as we live! you should visit one of the cities in rift and listen to street talks, then you will realise that ruto can not be written off with a pen like you think

  391. passer by
    January 19, 2008 at 11:47 pm

    I have read all the views expressed here! I do have a question for all of you! Has anyone,and i mean anyone thought for a minute,since Moi started this clashes in 92,the kikuyu did nothing!…….SILENCE!,same regions again when Moi lost to Kibaki,the kikuyus said nothing……..SILENCE……….million dollar questions this is the third time………….. only this time its a massive displacement,300,275. in 2 days.WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF THEY DO DECIDED ENGOUGH IS ENOUGH???.

    I will tell you this,we have been gathering DATA! HARD REAL DATA! we have names lots of names,relatives of those name and more.if you you were to see the list,you would be shocked,some removed from all this read inocent.POINT TO NOTE IS …………. WILLIAM RUTOS NAME COMES UP! in over 1725 interviews conducted. Due to the sensitive aspect of this i cannot go futher. Before i go, i will tell you this,the devil come offering hope, change,once you give him,or her a chance!then you dead,or your child,or your granparents. NICE SITE AND POSTING PEACE!!

  392. Outbox Thinker
    January 17, 2008 at 4:48 pm

    Going by the recent happenings in the country I am not trying to be a political genius and try to fit in the little brains of our politicians but rather I would employ a very simple analytical approach to everything:

    It is called the five why’s

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5_Whys

    Using this it would very simple to trace to the cause of all this and apply an appropriate solution.

    The truth shall set us free and in reality the truth is really a measure of the past whether potential or actual happenings.

  393. iman kidyo
    January 17, 2008 at 3:00 am

    This is an e-mail from ‘.:: Kalenjin Online :: Ochomegei Biikab Kalenjin ::.’ Message: 16th January 2008

    URGENT APPEAL FOR HUMANITARIAN ASSISTANCE FOLLOWING POST ELECTION VIOLENCE IN KENYA EMO FOUNDATION is the charitable arm of EMO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SOCIETY, a Kenyan organization aimed at empowering communities in the Rift Valley and their members elsewhere in Diaspora.

    The violent post election clashes in Kenya resulting from disputed Presidential Elections on the 27th December, 2007, were by and large countrywide but Rift Valley and our target communities were specifically and adversely affected. Over 600 lives have been lost according to official count of which the majority are from the Rift Valley. So far we have established that Two Hundred and & Thirty-seven (237) people from Kalenjin community were killed with most shot by police using live bullets and/or hacked and burned to death by marauding gangs. The deaths were Five (5) at Kabarnet, Twenty-Six (26) in Matunda, Fifteen (15) in Kimumu-Eldoret ( This includes world champion athlete Lucas Sang), Eleven (11) in Langas-Eldoret, Five (5) at Huruma-Eldoret, Two (2) in Maili Nne-Eldoret, Fifteen (15) in Ziwa, Fifty-four (54) in Kericho, Six (6) in Mauchei, Four (4) in Molo, Three (3) at Elburgon, Eight (8) in Kuresoi, Seven (7) in Bomet, One (1) in Kapsabet town, One (1) in Kapsosur, Six (6) in Burnt Forest, One (1) in Kitale, Three (3) at Kipkarren, Twenty-eight (28) at Mt. Elgon, Seven (7) in Endebbes, Eight (8) at Kachibora, Ten (10) in Meteitei and Eleven (11) in Naivasha.

    Many other people were maimed and now in hospitals or recuperating at home for lack of finances for proper medical care. Homes were burned rendering thousands of people Internally Displaced. Several buildings and residential houses belonging to the Kalenjin community in Burnt Forest, Makutano, Maji Mazuri and Eldoret were burned and razed to the ground.

    Being natives of Rift Valley and traditionally not used to residing in refuge areas, most of the affected from our community do not stay in camps where they can be easily reached by relief agencies but instead choose to stay with friends ,relatives and acquaintances. Indeed many IDPs from Luo and Luhya communities took refuge in the homes of Kalenjins when the hostilities broke out stretching already scarce resources of poor families.

    Even those who have taken refuge in churches and schools still depend on their hosts (Kalenjin) to supply their daily needs as they have not been assisted by relief agencies or the government.

    The Kalenjin people are traditionally pastoralists. They have therefore not taken to urban dwelling or business enterprises and have instead patronized businesses of the more entrepreneurial Kikuyu in most major towns and small trading centers in the province. With the departure of the Kikuyu and closure of many of their businesses, shortages of essential items have now become common and critical. This is worsened by the fact that many of the evacuated IDPs from this entrepreneurial community are sheltered in police stations, churches and show grounds within the towns making it difficult for the Kalenjins to access goods and services.

    Due to the tension and mistrust between the two communities, there is also fear to buy from each other due to rumours of food being laced with poison. Starvation and malnutrition especially of children and the elderly is therefore eminent in many homes.

    We are therefore sending an urgent appeal for among other items; 1. foodstuff –

    1. Sugar, Tea Leaves, Salt, Beans, maize, cooking oil,
    2. Soaps and washing detergents
    3. Paraffin, diesel for mills
    4. Clothes – for adults and children, Blankets, mattresses
    5. Mosquito Nets
    6. Buiding materials – iron sheets, nails, timber
    7. Kitchen / cooking utensils
    8. Medical supplies –drugs for malaria, diarrhea, antibiotics
    9. educational and recreational materials

    EMO FOUNDATION has established emergency centres at Nakuru, Eldoret and Kericho to coordinate receipt and distribution of all donations to those in need in a fair and accountable manner.

    Donations can be in cash or in kind.

    Those in the Americas can make their donations, contributions and suggestions through Wilfred Chepkwony wchepkwony@yahoo.com

    Yours faithfully,
    Kiprop James Arap Bett
    National Chairman
    EMO COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT SOCIETY
    http://www.emosociety.org

  394. iman kidyo
    January 16, 2008 at 7:52 am

    Please see this blog. I think it will help you get some answers to your questions:

    Daniel arap Moi: An Essential Link Between Kenya’s Past and Painful Present or copy this to your browser. http://zeleza.com/blogging/u-s.....ul-present

  395. kenyanentrepreneur
    January 14, 2008 at 3:51 pm

    Iman Kidyo:
    I’m not dreaming aloud. I honestly don’t think that the violence in the RV is spontaneous (you don’t just wake up in the morning and decided to hack your neighbor to death) – there’s some indoctrination going on there.

    This ancestral land you keep talking about…do the Nandi’s expect to be given land for free? is this the same thing that Kimunya did with the people in the Mau forest? did they get that land for free when he handed them title deeds and is this what the Nandi want? even if it means displacing kikuyu’s who PAID for their land?

    Thanks for the book rec.

  396. iman kidyo
    January 14, 2008 at 12:04 pm

    “This is what has been happening in the Rift Valley since 1992. Somebody is indocrinating these young men (how else do you burn 50 women and children alive?) and it is here that the real banality resides”.

    Stop dreaming aloud. Read elsewhere. I don’t think whatever has happened started in 1992. Jean Marie Seroney warned about it – he said Nandi land is for Nandis.

    I think the best way to solve the problem is not pretending a problem does not exist. A problem exists and it is mainly to do with LAND and ORGANISED GIKUYU CRIME.

    My parents told me as early as the mid 1970s that a war was looming and it was going to be against the Gikuyus, who had occupied every conceivable public space even in my rural backyard.

    I would tell you to stop day dreaming that William Rutto is orgainising or funding the election violence, especially against Gikuyus.

    As about the burning of the church, I think I have found out the reason. I am a staunch Kalenjin and I have never heard a situation where by Kalenjins have set ablaze a church. I think it is to do with the killing of Lucas Sang, the Kalenjin athlete who was hacked to death by Gikuyus. For details see http://www.aipsmedia.com/index.....&tp=n

    The land that was given to Gikuyus by the Government of Kenya was the land that rightly belonged to Kalenjins and the Maasai before the arrival of the white man.

    The mistake that the Government of Kenya made during the time of independence was to sign an agreement that the Government of Kenya would buy land from white settlers, who had never paid for it, and sale it to African peasants.

    The population of the Kalenjins by then was very low, and this os the advantage that the Gikuyu leadership led by Kenyatta took advantage of. Numerous land buying companies were set up by leading Gikuyus, with grants from the Government of Kenya, to buy huge tracks of land in Rift Valley, to settle their people, most of whom had been disposed by the white man.

    I don’t have time to write but let me refer all of you to a good book which traces the origin of what is unfolding in Kenya i.e. Colin Leys, Underdevelopment in Kenya, the Political Economy of Neo-Colonialism, 1964-1971; First published: by Heinemann Educational Books, London.

    The Mungiki sect should be allowed to do what it preaches it is. This means that its leadership must be registered and be known to all the Kenyan people.

    The days wherein Gikuyu organised crimes could kill and get away with it are over. Because Kibaki and Michuki have given Kenyans a reason to be very vigilant and to strike hard when the opportunity arises. I don’t think the local communities would allow any floating Gikuyus any more. Those in business and respectable jobs are likely to remain. The unemployed Gikuyu youths MUST be cleared completely and forced to return to where they belong. These are the group of people that has tarnished the image of the Gikuyus and the emergence of deathly gangs such as the Mungiki reinforces the perception that Gikuyus are thieves and hardcore criminals, which is one of the reasons why other tribes are ready to kill the Gikuyu. And that Kibaki has stole the vote does not help matters.

    So stop day dreaming that William Rutto is a demi God or thinking that Kalenjins are being organised and paid for by someone. They don’t need to be told what to do or to be paid any money because they already know that they have been wronged, first by the white man and later, by Kenyatta and Moi.

    What all people with long term interests in mind should be addressing is how to reduce and finally finish the prevailing anger be it land, crime and educational opportunities especially in professional courses like law, engineering and medicine, which are still controlled by the Gikuyus, and to some extent, the Luos. Can some of you in foreign countries, for example, help in establishing engineering and medical colleges in each of the eight provinces of Kenya, each accomodating at at least 5000 local students? Such a step will help wean people away from dependance on land for livelihood, which is the reason why people are willing to die. Or has it not occured to you that most Kenyans study only B.A or B.Ed? Another fact is that the most paying jobs are accopied by foreigners, leaving our own people to fight and die for only the minister and the permanent secretary slot!

    For you Gikuyus, let me remind you that Kalenjins refer you as “KAMAMA”, meaning our mothernal uncles. So it is up to you to salvage your lost reputation. And the Government of Kenya must address Kalenjin genuine grievances against the Kenyan State.

    The Gikuyu may as well choose to leave everything to Mungiki and other murderous gangs as in in past and be assured to reap the wages now and for ever. Because what has happened is just the tip of the iceberg.

  397. MeruDamu
    January 14, 2008 at 1:38 am

    Somebody Please give Ruto the word that he should start digging his grave, keep thinking it’s a joke pussy and you will see we don’t play that. You mother suckers must be kidding if you think we are gonna let this fly. Burning children,women and feeble old men? What tha fuck is that if i may ask? “Ruto if there is beef I will cock it and dump it, the drama really means nothing to me I will ride by and blow your brains out”

  398. EagleEye
    January 12, 2008 at 6:52 pm

    KE,
    So far, good approach; start you thread let it hit and step back. Let this Kenyans decide their fate. You have good audience, they are level headed. Find other like minded moderators to help you. delete this…. :smile:

  399. kenyanentrepreneur
    January 10, 2008 at 9:13 pm

    Mzalendo:
    Retribution is not a back thing . And like I’ve said before, these victims DESERVE justice. You cannot let those people get away with this planned ethnic cleansing.

    I have also said that this blog will not echo the other Kenyan blogs that are trying to create a sense of utopia in a place with real human suffering, which has been perpetrated and planned by someone. Never, ever, ever. They must be justice for these victims.

    And I did not compare mungiki with the mossad. where the heck did you get that from???? re-read that article.

  400. Mzalendo
    January 10, 2008 at 8:20 pm

    Enough with the violent retributory rhetoric! We don’t need this type of thinking and even if it was possible, I wouldn’t compare Mungiki with the Mossad’s Kidon unit…unless pigs will fly!

  401. Sly
    January 10, 2008 at 8:00 am

    Let us pray for peace in kenya. After all these years, how can we start killing one another now? Kicking them out of the only home they’ve ever known?
    I heard from a surviver of the Eldoret chaos that the people who attacked them told them even before the elections were announced that whoever won, the Kyuks had to get out of the RV! It’s our country too!

  402. Mkenya1
    January 10, 2008 at 1:28 am

    RUTO IS 100% A DEAD MAN WALKING,

    Whether the Kibaki government brings him to book is yet to be seen, due to their fear of igniting more violence, but sooner or later, this TRIBAL CLEANSING, SELF RIGHTEOUS, INSTIGATING LOOTER will pay for his actions. How can someone sleep at night after burning 50 people in a church, can you imagine TOSSING A THREE YEAR OLD CHILD BACK TO A BURNING INFERNO? Just because you think elections were rigged, please! This are thoughts that will never leave some minds, and a day will come when all this violence perpetrated agaisnt certain communities in the Rift Valley will be to much to bear. Only God knows what will happen if the tribes being expelled immobilise and strike back!

    Is this to say that each tribe should live in its own region? Who will Nairobi belong to? Then, why do we need a country if we cannot live together, we should form nations out of the 8 provinces!

    Where are the human rights organisations? Who will save all those innocent boy’s and girls made refugees in their own country just because somebody wants to rule? What sort of leader arms his tribe against his fellow country men? That is a traitor and should be taken to the Hague!

    God bless Kenya!
    Mungu ibariki Afrika!

  403. Marisa
    January 9, 2008 at 11:38 pm

    The representative from the states was quoted as saying that the whole RV thing looked like it was a well planned operation.
    I believe this thing about Ruto, he was so abrasive in his campaign like he was daring the govt to try something na watatuona. See any footage of the last ODM rally in Nyayo Stadium.
    Justice will prevail, no child desreves to die because a stupid election was ‘rigged’ so that the fucking SELF PROCLAIMED ‘peoples president’ can go to state house. No CHILD SHOULD DIE FOR THESE FUCKERS!!!!!! THAT IS NOT DEMOCRACY!

  404. moses martin
    January 9, 2008 at 9:16 pm

    All you people who are picking on PNU know very well ODM rigged too so the better thief won so STFU and lets move on. lets get Ruto and sort him out and also let deal with the luos for good.look at the article the plan is being put in place then you will understand GEMA will rule kenya for a while so live with it and dont forget to pay your taxes we need to fund free primary and secondary education.
    jendayi frazer knows exactly what happened she has witnessed all the happenings in kenya. have you had her say KIBAKI step down.NO why he is the SOBER leader of the two. so all you PNU haters STFU period

  405. malipo ni hapa hapa
    January 9, 2008 at 4:39 pm

    Wow KE, Very interesting post, albeit controversial. However, as much as all leaders are wholy “condemning” the violence and urging peace, We must also know the REAL GENESIS of this bloodbath.
    I’m glad the kenyan government has launched investigations into this and that an international, probably the U.N. body will be brought to handle the investigation.
    I honetsly do not know how William Ruto has been sleeping at night.
    It’s one of those cases where everybody knows you did it but they won’t tell it to your face, so you keep smiling with kila mtu assuming all is good, but everyone knows.
    I was at first skeptical about the purported “DOM Strategy ” Paper that was leaked. However It was leaked before the elections and surprisingly, the events have been pretty consistent with this “Strategy Paper ”
    ODM Guys are very organized however after their last resort of Violence, I don’t think they had another strategy. maybe that’s the reason for the confusion with all differnt people speaking on issues-i.e. Nyongo and Salim Lone and Raila , instead of how ODM always had one consistent voice.
    anyway William Ruto, malipo ni hapa hapa even Bishop Korir and Jendayi Frazer, the U.S. Special envoy on tiuring the church in Eldie concluded that the attack was well planned and not random.

  406. Jeff
    January 9, 2008 at 4:36 pm

    Am a kale living in nakuru. it is absolutely hogwash that rutto is responsible for the chaos.kivuitu murage karua michuki wako kibaki are.hardly had kivuitu finished announcing the fradulent results than hell broke loose in nakuru . In town it was between kiuks n luos luhyas combined .in njoro molo kuresoi ravine it was about kalle n kiuks coz every odm fans were venting their anger on the election fraud while others we setling old scores and others being opportunistic. No amount of killing is justifiable or the solution the fraud neither is kibaki’s ostrich approach. We should address the root cause not the symptons pointing fingers at perceived community leader wont help ethnicity is not the only issue here. class, past unaddresed injustices. equity equality also are .if this are not checked then a time bomb is in the offing .no amount of blood is worth the cause

  407. KE
    January 9, 2008 at 11:13 am

    Kalle:
    I believe my piece on Ruto was posed as a question because the evidence is still not conclusive. However, if it is and knowing how Michuki operates, Ruto and whoever else planned these clashes could be in serious danger (look at how they dealt with Mungiki).

    FTN:
    I probably have been watching too many movies :grin: I’m not doing to watch Vendetta because I’ll start coming up with even more imaginative ideas.

  408. shifta ni nani
    January 9, 2008 at 6:12 am

    Life is not hollywood, and kenya is not israel and as for you.Do what you’re good at but blogging ain’t one of them.You really suck at this sh!t meeeen

  409. kenyan
    January 9, 2008 at 4:54 am

    Kalle

    Dont defend Ruto just because he is a Kalle. Listen to what other Kenyans are saying.

    And Kyks enyewe mliiba kura. thats the truth. His people goofed vibaya sana on this one. Lakini even without the cooked forms 16A, he was still ahead.

    To the Luos, Stop worshiping an idol in the name of Raila. He aint no god and maybe God is trying to tell us something. Raila too did Rig. Thats why he turned down a recount. The Ballot papers would have contaradicted the total votes cast.Ask Anyang Nyong`o he knows better.

    All i can say to all of u is to stop this hate mission. Tribes will always be there. Am sure all u guys are young and leaders of today. Sober up and stop giving in and defending leaders who all they think of is there ambitions. No one is killing Ruto or Kibaki or whoever.

    Talk to the young people from ur communities and make themm undestand that this is not the way. Thn Pray real hard for this nation. am sure uv read histories from Africa especiall Siera leon. Do u really want uis to go there? Take responsibility at whatever capacity and make a difference. This way even if our leaders come and turn us against each other, we will just laugh and move on. Refuse to be manupulated.

    Help ur feloow kenyans. thats what we are. Kenyans.

  410. KalleUSA
    January 9, 2008 at 3:35 am

    KE..You seem to contradict yourself by mentioning that Kenya is not a full democracy and Rutto should stand trial(how fair and just will the trial be?do you ever want to serve a sentence that you do not deserve),what you suggest is that Michuki style of administering justice.Should the same be applied to Kibaki for stealing votes.

    Am yet to see in your argument the evidence you have against Rutto,apart from speculation.Remmember I dont support Rutto if he masterminded the killings, just convince us how you arrived at the judgement on Rutto.AT the end of the day what you are putting forth can just be pure hogwash if you have no substantial prove.

  411. FTN
    January 8, 2008 at 11:59 pm

    ESK..KE
    You watching too many movies, but you do have a good point, the only problem is Kibs has a pact with the funders of all these clash/hate organizers.
    The Kidon can only be organized by Kenyan citizens independent of government, then and only then shall it work.
    Did you get to watch ‘V for Vendetta’ same theme, all the politicians were killed. :lol: :lol: :lol:

  412. rhyymemaster
    January 8, 2008 at 10:45 pm

    This is rediculous! You unilaterally have condemned someone without even giving him a chance to be heard. Din’t Raila advocate for a truth, justice and restitution instrument knowing very well that these issues cut across the political divide? Now what do you say of the atrocities of the stolen election? Lets not be narrow with our viewpoints. If such an instrument that Raila was advocating for was to be instituted who knows some info. right from the Kenyatta era will make Ruto look saintly? And what about Moi and Kibaki?

  413. Anonymous
    January 8, 2008 at 9:17 pm

    Wow whatever devil dwelled in kenya has revealed itself,hate ,greed ,sturboness;devils nature and now for its age old tact; accusations.We are speaking vengence, calling for blood letting and administering pain.My question is where does it end ?who will benefit and with what?
    255 xxx displaced are you thinking of their future ?

  414. nehanda
    January 8, 2008 at 7:36 pm

    it was extremely eerily reading this post…i remember william ruto and the cyprus guy… god.. stuff that never forgotten .. that seats and percolates.. just like the unraveling of kenya.. it is time to look closely to your collective selves, indiscriminately…

  415. KE
    January 8, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Kalle:

    I don’t know why you are amused because when I was writing that post, I was not trying to amuse you. Mutua can say whatever it is he wants, but Kenya is not a full democracy, nor has it ever been. I accepted this reality a long time ago. How do you think Michuki got away with killing and imprisoning all those mungikis? was there ever a trial? Kenya is still Africa.

    On the comparison to al qaeda, you seem to have missed my central point, which was to highlight the banality and danger of
    INDOCTRINATION. I am telling you that bin laden’s banality lies in his ability to recruit, fund and indoctrinate these young men and the same thing is happening in the rift valley. The real danger, I am arguiing, is with these indoctrinators and funders, who I believe, are just as culpable as the foot soliders who carried out their mission. And for that, they should pay the ultimate price in our imperfect democracy and that ultimate price will not come through a trial (I am sorry to inform you).

  416. kalleUSA
    January 8, 2008 at 4:44 pm

    I am sort of amused about the way you go about arguing your point kenyanentrepreneur.What makes me wonder is where you are getting your evidence,Kenya is not a banana republic as Mutua well put it.We can not use speculation and hearsay as our basis of prosecution.For a fact Rutto is a well outspoken individual,and if you get to hear him speak its much more to do with… this is what we want and feel is our right and if thats is wrong then youy must be shallow minded..Kibaki “govt’ keeps on saying we have the courts,judicials system… blabla .he was in power for five years if what you are saying is true about Rutto he should have been arrested long time ago.Lets not use kitchen politics as our basis of constructive discussions it makes us look petty.Their is a marked difference between the kind of violence we are seeing in kenya and the alkeida network.You use lots of examples to try to emphasize your points unfortunatetly your comparisons are far reached.
    This forum is a good opportunity to try an measure the kind of mentality many kenyans have.

  417. kenyanentrepreneur
    January 8, 2008 at 3:10 pm

    Simba:
    They say that the real evil with these crimes against humanity lies in the people who indocrinate these young men to go out and committ these atrocities.

    Let’s take Osama Bin Laden for instance. He is not in Iraq firing his gun or blowing himself up, but he is still a very dangerous man. Why? because of his ability to take these young men, indocrinate them and turn them into killing machines.

    This is what has been happening in the Rift Valley since 1992. Somebody is indocrinating these young men (how else do you burn 50 women and children alive?) and it is here that the real banality resides.

    And there are some crimes for which death is the only answer. child rapists and murderes should get the death penalty. Osama bin Laden will be killed for his crimes, the indoctrinators of the genocide in rwanda should pay with their lives (btw – who do you think is hiding Kabuga?).

    There is a banality here that is beyond the scope of human comprehension. And I think it’s coming from a small group of Kalenjins who thought they were beyond reproach. and they got bolder and bolder and it has led to this terrible mess.

    And what do you think happened to Mungiki? those were extra-judicial killings. This is how MIchuki operates. Let’ not kid ourselves about that.

  418. Simba
    January 8, 2008 at 2:14 pm

    KE, your hit-man idea is simply preposterous. This is no time to be advocating for citizens to take matters into their own hands. Yes, the government should do something about the claims of ethnic cleansing, and I hope that once the political fiasco is sorted they will. I have absolutely zero confidence in Mr. Ruto, but quite frankly I dont trust most of Kenya’s current breed of politicians, including Raila and Kibaki. However, I still believe that as citizens we must work within the framework of the law, and any extra-judiciary actions on our part are completely uncalled for.

  419. KalleUSA
    January 8, 2008 at 2:03 pm

    Hi Mars and Kenyanentrepreneur

    I am not missing the point ..What your seem to be not seeing is the big picture and sadly enough majority of members of some single community don’t see that .WHAT IS THE GENESIS OF THE VIOLENCE.

    1. Look at the papers eastandard today distribution of hate leaflets in Central Province

    2. Violence in Mombasa, Kitale, Kisumu, Narok, Kangemi, Naivasha.

    What we should be asking ourselves is this. Are all this people rising up with machetes against their fellow neighbors who they have lived with for decade’s bloodthirsty individuals? Many have been displaced we agree, some are my relatives and friends. But if you are a sober minded person would you blame Balala for killings in Mombasa, Raila for langata, mudavadi in western, Central is Kibaki and his Muthaiga mafia team including Martha Karua .Michuki, Alfred Mutua for inciting Kenyans with their comments.

    Lets style up brothers, Kenyans went to school and they have been exposed to all kinds of media and why lie they have more civil education than many guys who are in Diaspora. So as we keep on wasting our energy pointing fingers at Rutto who is Nairobi busy mapping out a strategy with Raila to get what they believe is rightly theirs. Some guys like you Mars are suggesting Rutto is some kind of God, your logic suggests that somehow as he tried to ensure the tallying process was accurate (as we were waiting on the results –watched on ktn and witnessed as the whole flawed election process unfolded) he was busy building up some army of sorts and orchestrated some organized clashes. We tend to forgot that the people taking part in this mayhem may not necessarily need a leader to ask them to do what they are doing all they need as a way to vent their anger.
    So what was their anger?

    We all need peace but we tend to forget peace is sweet in a free and fair environment. People who are oppressed and peace is forced on them is just like an active volcano waiting to erupt. Guys Kenyans tend to forget so fast we voted Kibaki just five years ago were we tribal then? Then why now? use your God given brains guys Kenyans just need change(just like what’s happening in the USA politics if you are a keen follower like me) if Raila were to win and does not perform as a president as per our expectation then we would have had him removed in 2012.But with what we are seeing now with Kibaki rest assured we have retrogressed in democracy.2012 will be about who has the power to rig his way in. and if that happens tell me what would the losers think or do? are their any chances that we can have a repeat of what’s happening? So the solution is simple we just need a show of democracy even if you do ring do it in a classic and secretive manner such that the majority of the electoral masses feel it was justly won.Moi was an expert at that.Kibaki with his degree in economics came with a strategy that even a primary school drop out can see through it.Sometimes you need have class even when stealing

  420. Mkikuyu damu
    January 8, 2008 at 1:05 pm

    Tell them this is the truth..Nothing but the Gospel truth if you don’t like reading it close your browser…The truth shall prevail keep writing kenyanentrepreneur…

  421. kenyanentrepreneur
    January 8, 2008 at 10:04 am

    Maimed Kyuk:
    I’ve told many readers this before – if you can’t handle the raw honesty of this blog, they are many other options out there for you. I’m not going to write puff pieces of coming together when evidence is now emerging that these murdesr and this ethnic cleansing may have been pre-planned. Never, ever, ever.

    Kimeli:

    How do you displace 300,000 people in 2 days? they’re total efficiency is what has given them away. And like I said, one important function of the law is to seek justice on behalf of the victims of crime.

    And if these people have been committing these crimes since 1992, they need to be brought to justice. This is not about going into the RV and killing all Kalenjins, it’s about finding out who is funding them and bringing these people to justice.

    And let me add this on Kibaki. Let’s assume he rigged the election, if he did, his crime would be civil and probably hinge on an issue like fraud or something like that. and it may even carry some jail time. This is very different however, from what the ODM supporters resorted to – they’re crimes would be violent and violent crimes do carry larger penalties, upto and including death.

  422. esk
    January 8, 2008 at 10:03 am

    William Rutto is a perpetrator and chief architect of the massacre that occured in Eldoret.
    He must be held accountable and must never be allowed to assume into a position of power.

    I will go old school on him like what Ving Rhames in pupl fiction promised to do to the guy who raped him. Get a blow torch, stick it up his ass to start with.. Im sure the man can’t sleep at night with all that blood in his hands.

    y life is done, i have given it up for the cause. fuck law school. I will dedicate the next 5 years in the special forces services unit (i’m a former marine) where i will gather an amoury of skills needed to take out Rutto and his ilk.

  423. kenyanentrepreneur
    January 8, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Kalle:
    I’m not even pretending to be impartial on this issue and that’s why I’m not deleting comments from people who are on the other side of the fence.

    You know what other blogs are doing? they’re pretending to be impartial, then deleting comments that don’t agree with their point of view. I also generally don’t like fence sitters. I like people with strong opinions, who are willing to express them, no matter what side they are on.  Besides, why do you want to go a place where everyone is just agreeing with each other? that’s not the real world!

    Kabogo:
    Your married to a Samburu? they’re very good looking people. I even had a post once on just how good loooking they are!

    Um….on the part of me being, racist, uncivilized and ignorant. your telling people to go back to their ancestral homes and your calling me ignorant? Hello pot? where’s the black kettle?

    Well, I don’t think I’m ignorant and I don’t think I’m uncivilized. Racist? I don’t know if I’d use that word. Although I will say that I do have embedded stereotypes about many groups, both Africa and non-africa, but doesn’t everyone? Sometimes those stereotypes are right and sometimes they are totally wrong.

    The key is not to let those stereotypes turn you into a violent person or make you do things that are inhumane (this is what is happening in Kenya, especially in the rift valley and I don’t understand that savagery, I just don’t).

    I just don’t understand how you hack someone to death with a panga! that is not normal behavior and it suggests that there is something wrong with the culture (and this applies to anyone who does it).

  424. maimed kyuk
    January 8, 2008 at 9:38 am

    Kibaki cannot live in Kenya after this Fiasco – another dead man walking.

    Grow up and write sensible articles…

  425. karoocey
    January 8, 2008 at 8:11 am

    I believe there will be a new force created to sort out all forms of crime this approach has already been used fairly successfully with the kwekwe squad i believe a more elaborate force and office is being created for this purpose, i know all you straightjacket human rights activists will be up in arms but what do you expect even in an utopia you will still find human rights activists defending criminals.

  426. Kabogo
    January 8, 2008 at 7:12 am

    By the way kenyanentrepreneur , i looked back to some of you articles and it seems ,you are one racist, uncivilised and ignorant Kikuyu.Almost 80% of your articles are hate inspired.Mr come out of that cocoon and remember the world is not populated by one Tribe or Religion.Do a soul searching and ask yourself why you hate so much,it seems you are diseased and really need divine intervention.You are the kind of people who killed the dream of KENYA.YES I’M KIKUYU AND MARRIED TO A SAMBURU.

  427. Kabogo
    January 8, 2008 at 7:00 am

    I believe Michuki and Kibaki are dead men walking ,the killing of 100 Luos will not go unanswered and those who ordered it will pay for it.Lets not cheat ourselves the game is not yet over,Kenya is headed to self destruction and this is because of a few People.If you thought things will calm down and life will come back to normal in Kenya,you are mistaken.It is just the start of bigger things to come.Lets pray for dead and those to be massacred in the future war, that is coming soon ,only solution is a everybody to go back to his/her ancestral home.No more blame games and thinking that you have sole power to kill Kenyans of different tribes and when it comes to you start crying and asking for the blood of those who did defend themsleves.IF YOU THOUGHT KENYA IS ONE COUNTRY YOU ARE MISTAKEN,SOONER IT WILL BE 8 REGIONS CONTROLLED BY WARLORDS.

  428. kimeli kemei
    January 8, 2008 at 6:23 am

    leave rutto out of this: iam a kalenjin and very sure that nobody funded the killings in rift valley,every one was following what kivuitu was doing before the results were announced. i blame kivuitu martha karua and michukii for their plans,they went for the big seat before thinking about other kenyas,but remeber i have not raised a panga a gaints any of kikuyu brother

  429. Kajohnie
    January 8, 2008 at 5:41 am

    You might as well call him the late Ruto! Yesy ou are right he is a dead man walking.And it is not the kyuks who will get him.He has amde 2 powerful enemies amnogst his people,Moi and Biwott.He is DEAD!

  430. Ka-baba
    January 8, 2008 at 5:19 am

    I would never advoacte for a killing squad but I quite agree with you that William Ruto is a dead man walking and it wont be the government.

    And that tells you alot. We can all sit before our computer screens but if like me, you are in Kenya and your sisters family is chased from their home, their business burnt and their 6 month baby sleeping outside then you would understand why Ruto ranks up there with Felicien Kabuga, Charles Taylor and others who have committed genecide.

    And like elephants, we will not forget

  431. MARS
    January 8, 2008 at 4:50 am

    Hey Kalle.

    You are missing the point… The human scale of suffering is around 255,000 displaced kenyans country wide. It’s just not one tribe or one particular area. If this does not disturb you, then something is really wrong…Where are these kenyans supposed to go now?

    However, what makes Eldoret so unique are these questions:

    1) Can you tell us why power lines were disconnected and by whom?

    2) Can you tell us why roads were blocked by groups into or out of Eldoret?

    3) Can you tells us why these murderers were reported to be walking in columns of 300 men in a straight line?

    4) On the 2nd of Jan, it was reported that upto 45,000 people were at the eldoret church and at least 50,000 others in various police stations around Eldoret?

    5) How does one manage to displace so many people in one town in 2 days? Even in Nairobi, despite the tensions in kibera, mathare, huruma, kawangware such a scale of displacement of people never happened.

    Please get this right… NO single community should ever be targetted. NO KILLINGS, RAPE, MURDER, TRIBAL SEGREGATION in the name of DEMOCRACY!

    What we all want is justice to be done and through peaceful means. The law must follow the perpertrators of these crimes and bring them to justice. These are individuals and leaders, not entire communities.

    I do apologize to you if my earlier suggestion singled out any tribe or community. Pole Sana.

    MARS

  432. Kalle USA
    January 8, 2008 at 3:46 am

    Hi guys I am of the opinion that you are all just one sided simple minded bunch of dudes.Mungiki are also killing people and Kalles are being shot in the back in eldoret by shot to kill orders from the kibaki’s and Michuki, but somehow you have a blind eye to that ..that is infact what fuels that tribal hatred that is building and will go on .Till the day a kikuyu accepts the mistakes of a another kyuk.

    its sad lives have been lost and we wish that should never happen again.How do we go about ensuring that never happens?stop pointing fingers to people who do not belong to your community hoping that makes you righteous.Start with your own then we will believe in genuiness.I have been forced to put it this because kikuyus will never realise that they are the most tribalist people in kenya (unfortunately they are so slow to realise this).If that was not the case we will not be witnessing what we are seeing today.

    I am yet to see an article written by kikuyu saying that they way elections was done was incorrect.why lie I have kikuyu friends but when makes me made is they way they can insult other kenyans intelligence by always trying to show they are the know it all and somehow they are the only ones bestowed the ability to lead kenya in the right path.That right path could eventually be destruction.

  433. MARS
    January 8, 2008 at 3:21 am

    Hey KE,

    Justice must be done but not with hit squads. They never achieve much in the long term…

    For Justice to really be effective, I believe the following is very necessary and should start very soon:

    1) If anyone in this blog is a strong lawyer, they must help put. They must start the peace and justice crusade by bringing the murderes and their leaders to the court.

    2) The lawyers need to start documenting all the crimes commited in Eldoret. They need to become the investigators..word by word they must compile a case against the perpetrators!

    This time around, no politican should comprise or interfere with this investigation! The innocent must have a voice and justice must be done…..

    As soon as government business starts, they must present their findings and build a case against whoever is responsible. They must name these people….. Then only can kenyans realize that it is NOT OKAY to KILL, RAPE, DESTROY PROPERTY IN THE NAME OF DEMOCRACY! There should never be a repeat of what has happened in our country, ever again!

    What we can achieve peacefully is far more dangerous to the murderers than using simple easy force which will not have a lasting impact…

    Is any lawyer listening here? Kenyans need your help….

    MARS

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