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		<title>By: didier</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Aug 2009 21:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mwalimu,

&quot;I got to be really honest here, I don’t support corruption. But In Kenya its really hard not to be corrupt.&quot;

Look at least am not pretending that i have never bribed in Kenya. All am saying is I  believe we need to look at the bigger picture in all this conundrum  ... 

The only day i can even start thinking of coming back to Kenya is when a budget is read that does not have any money coming from any other governments in the form of aid for government recurrent expenditure.

The truth is this- Unless the country gets a leader who believes in having a lean &amp; simple budget that balances the countries revenues and expenses and reflects the realities of  the country&#039;s risk perception with revenue solely coming from production of goods and services within the country then If this does not happen then the vicious cycle will continue of plundering the money borrowed from western countries. Anything that people get easily is not valued, when people pay a price to get something then... It is valued. This is like ABC. When will the people get to that point when they realize that they are being taken for a ride ??

Young Kenyans need to know this- They need to know their future is being morgauged by his Excellency Kibaki and Prime Minister Odinga. The youth need to be told that all that money being borrowed from the west is their future. Kenya does not need a bloated government to have peace. That is NONSENSE !! 

The Youth need to know that for every Mp that is sitting in Parliament today- None of them is making sacrifices to give them a better future- Not paying taxes here for anyone here in America is a very bad offense and it carries very serious charges.

For Mp&#039;s to just fan rhetoric that they need the money - Is completely absurd and nonsense !!</description>
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<p>&#8220;I got to be really honest here, I don’t support corruption. But In Kenya its really hard not to be corrupt.&#8221;</p>
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<p>Look at least am not pretending that i have never bribed in Kenya. All am saying is I  believe we need to look at the bigger picture in all this conundrum  &#8230; </p>
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<p>The only day i can even start thinking of coming back to Kenya is when a budget is read that does not have any money coming from any other governments in the form of aid for government recurrent expenditure.</p>
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<p>The truth is this- Unless the country gets a leader who believes in having a lean &amp; simple budget that balances the countries revenues and expenses and reflects the realities of  the country&#8217;s risk perception with revenue solely coming from production of goods and services within the country then If this does not happen then the vicious cycle will continue of plundering the money borrowed from western countries. Anything that people get easily is not valued, when people pay a price to get something then&#8230; It is valued. This is like ABC. When will the people get to that point when they realize that they are being taken for a ride ??</p>
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<p>Young Kenyans need to know this- They need to know their future is being morgauged by his Excellency Kibaki and Prime Minister Odinga. The youth need to be told that all that money being borrowed from the west is their future. Kenya does not need a bloated government to have peace. That is NONSENSE !! </p>
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<p>The Youth need to know that for every Mp that is sitting in Parliament today- None of them is making sacrifices to give them a better future- Not paying taxes here for anyone here in America is a very bad offense and it carries very serious charges.</p>
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<p>For Mp&#8217;s to just fan rhetoric that they need the money &#8211; Is completely absurd and nonsense !!
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		<title>By: Mwalimu</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Aug 2009 13:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didier,
You are definately supporting corruption and you are trying to justify it..If those stealing can produce receipts, then you are fine...no wonder every tribe wants its time to eat.</description>
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<p>Didier,<br />
You are definately supporting corruption and you are trying to justify it..If those stealing can produce receipts, then you are fine&#8230;no wonder every tribe wants its time to eat.
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		<title>By: didier</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 23:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Working stiff,

I don&#039;t want to sound like the Devils Advocate but the worst kind of corruption is the one that people send money outside the country. This amounts to capital flight and the money does not support any production or create any jobs in the country.

I think any educated person would see the logic behind this. I got to be really honest here, I don&#039;t support corruption. But In Kenya its really hard not to be corrupt, how come I lived here in the west this long and I have never been involved in any corruption. The answer is simple- In Kenya Its either you survive or the system eats you up.

So my point is, If any Mp or corrupt government official knows they spent the money on their constituents why don&#039;t they just produce the receipts and we&#039;ll rest the cases against them.

The rest of them that don&#039;t have the receipts need to have their property disclosed and repossessed by the people of Kenya. Since this is very clear, I&#039;m sure Kenyans would support such move.</description>
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<p>Working stiff,</p>
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<p>I don&#8217;t want to sound like the Devils Advocate but the worst kind of corruption is the one that people send money outside the country. This amounts to capital flight and the money does not support any production or create any jobs in the country.</p>
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<p>I think any educated person would see the logic behind this. I got to be really honest here, I don&#8217;t support corruption. But In Kenya its really hard not to be corrupt, how come I lived here in the west this long and I have never been involved in any corruption. The answer is simple- In Kenya Its either you survive or the system eats you up.</p>
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<p>So my point is, If any Mp or corrupt government official knows they spent the money on their constituents why don&#8217;t they just produce the receipts and we&#8217;ll rest the cases against them.</p>
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<p>The rest of them that don&#8217;t have the receipts need to have their property disclosed and repossessed by the people of Kenya. Since this is very clear, I&#8217;m sure Kenyans would support such move.
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		<title>By: Working Stiff</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:00:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ok I see the error of my ways, Kenya&#039;s problems are  unique to Kenya, and other Asian countries have not experienced any of the problems Kenya experiences :)

I did not realize that most MP&#039;s really take the corruption money and spend it building schools, hospitals, etc.

If my MP in Kenya is stealing to help the constituency, then I think he really is incompetent, I have yet to see any results of his stealing.  If he is stealing for his cronies that&#039;s another story.


Indonesia, Malaysia, etc have had corrupt rulers the difference is that they took from a growing economy, and made sure it grew, not increasing their share of a stagnant or shrinking pie.

Kenya&#039;s economic policies do not seem to have changed since independence.  I can summarise the responses:


One question I have is how were we able to survive for millenia, govern ourselves without self-destructing?  How come we never turned into cannibals? Or maybe you believe we did?  

The &quot;I don&#039;t know how to manage the economy excuse&quot; is getting old.  There is expertise in the country, but many do not want to listen to the expertise. Look at those papers and committees created by the govt. Some of them really did present some very practical solutions.

The PEV is a perfect example.</description>
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<p>Ok I see the error of my ways, Kenya&#8217;s problems are  unique to Kenya, and other Asian countries have not experienced any of the problems Kenya experiences <img src='http://www.kenyanentrepreneur.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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<p>I did not realize that most MP&#8217;s really take the corruption money and spend it building schools, hospitals, etc.</p>
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<p>If my MP in Kenya is stealing to help the constituency, then I think he really is incompetent, I have yet to see any results of his stealing.  If he is stealing for his cronies that&#8217;s another story.</p>
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<p>Indonesia, Malaysia, etc have had corrupt rulers the difference is that they took from a growing economy, and made sure it grew, not increasing their share of a stagnant or shrinking pie.</p>
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<p>Kenya&#8217;s economic policies do not seem to have changed since independence.  I can summarise the responses:</p>
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<p>One question I have is how were we able to survive for millenia, govern ourselves without self-destructing?  How come we never turned into cannibals? Or maybe you believe we did?  </p>
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<p>The &#8220;I don&#8217;t know how to manage the economy excuse&#8221; is getting old.  There is expertise in the country, but many do not want to listen to the expertise. Look at those papers and committees created by the govt. Some of them really did present some very practical solutions.</p>
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<p>The PEV is a perfect example.
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		<title>By: didier</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 21:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>working stiff,

You still have not answered the problematic equation here....

How is the Mp going to survive, taking his constituents to hospital, build schools, build hospitals, build homes for orphans, handicapped and build roads, feeding the homeless. It seems to me the West expects too much from the Country when the Country has no proper Institutions and No able leader who will address these shortcomings.  When you look close enough you realize that the people want to live good but they been handed a  poor gadget and they don&#039;t know how to make it work.

You need to look at the bigger picture here- The country is in a dilemma what needs to be done first, feed the hungry or run after the so called thieves who stole to feed themselves and the people who are hungry  ???

Compare it with the West. The unemployment Insurance goes a long way in helping the people laid off from work.

Disability payments go a long way in helping the people injured at work and etc.

Food banks all over the American cities go a long way in feeding the hungry.

The Salvation Army will take in anybody who is homeless as long as you can provide proper Identification and you are ready to change your life.

You people need to look  at the bigger picture. The problem cannot be solved by just Implicating people without even looking at the bigger picture and get to the root cause of all the occurrences.

Or do you really think its a coincidence that every Mp who has served through the Kenyan parliament is connected in one way or another to corruption or Impunity ? Do you think its a coincidence ??? ...... Think Again !!</description>
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<p>You still have not answered the problematic equation here&#8230;.</p>
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<p>How is the Mp going to survive, taking his constituents to hospital, build schools, build hospitals, build homes for orphans, handicapped and build roads, feeding the homeless. It seems to me the West expects too much from the Country when the Country has no proper Institutions and No able leader who will address these shortcomings.  When you look close enough you realize that the people want to live good but they been handed a  poor gadget and they don&#8217;t know how to make it work.</p>
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<p>You need to look at the bigger picture here- The country is in a dilemma what needs to be done first, feed the hungry or run after the so called thieves who stole to feed themselves and the people who are hungry  ???</p>
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<p>Compare it with the West. The unemployment Insurance goes a long way in helping the people laid off from work.</p>
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<p>Disability payments go a long way in helping the people injured at work and etc.</p>
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<p>Food banks all over the American cities go a long way in feeding the hungry.</p>
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<p>The Salvation Army will take in anybody who is homeless as long as you can provide proper Identification and you are ready to change your life.</p>
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<p>You people need to look  at the bigger picture. The problem cannot be solved by just Implicating people without even looking at the bigger picture and get to the root cause of all the occurrences.</p>
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<p>Or do you really think its a coincidence that every Mp who has served through the Kenyan parliament is connected in one way or another to corruption or Impunity ? Do you think its a coincidence ??? &#8230;&#8230; Think Again !!
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		<title>By: Working Stiff</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 18:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the book, tried to not comment but didier just  made me want to comment.  Alot of the those &quot; elected officials are only trying to get a bigger piece of cake to feed their starving and unemployed constituents&quot;.  For only trying to help out there constituents they sure are living large!!  Get to know them, and you will be surprised at the expenditures.  
There are many legitimate ways to help their consitituents survive, and many of the legitimate ways are thrown by the wayside.  
How about scrambling and hustling to get a factory built in one&#039;s constituency? 

If it is hunger, we need a green revolution, how many are focused on that?  

The reality is well-fed and educated masses have the tendency of not acting like sheep, and asking tough questions.</description>
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<p>Read the book, tried to not comment but didier just  made me want to comment.  Alot of the those &#8221; elected officials are only trying to get a bigger piece of cake to feed their starving and unemployed constituents&#8221;.  For only trying to help out there constituents they sure are living large!!  Get to know them, and you will be surprised at the expenditures.<br />
There are many legitimate ways to help their consitituents survive, and many of the legitimate ways are thrown by the wayside.<br />
How about scrambling and hustling to get a factory built in one&#8217;s constituency? </p>
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<p>If it is hunger, we need a green revolution, how many are focused on that?  </p>
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<p>The reality is well-fed and educated masses have the tendency of not acting like sheep, and asking tough questions.
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		<title>By: didier</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Aug 2009 06:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ke,

Interesting review. Like I said, I am not surprised by any of this things. The reason I said it is because Kenyan elected legislators sold out their souls long time ago.

I disagree you calling them thugs and I&#039;ll explain why.... The reason why is because everybody is trying to survive. When everyone is trying to survive its easy for a person to sell their souls.

The elected officials are only trying to get a bigger piece of cake to feed their starving and unemployed constituents. 

The problem is only made worse when an elected officials sells their soul. Because it follows, the rest of people trying to survive will do anything to get bread and this is like a vicious cycle that will never stop.

Even if you try and stay clean with no bad record in Kenya, the people will not vote you back if you leave them hungry. So elected officials have to find other sources of wealth creation which ends up being the public coffers.

I see you talking about good Kenyans. I have news for you, In Kenya there is no good or bad Kenyan. Everybody is trying to survive. If you step in the way of a person try to feed a whole tribe, he&#039;ll see no use of you and throw you out.

I&#039;m not by any chance saying that things will never change. I believe things can change but they need to start changing from the top down or maybe the bottom up... I don&#039;t know or I guess we should start by feeding the hungry people first ...... Damn... This is a hard equation here !!</description>
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<p>Interesting review. Like I said, I am not surprised by any of this things. The reason I said it is because Kenyan elected legislators sold out their souls long time ago.</p>
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<p>I disagree you calling them thugs and I&#8217;ll explain why&#8230;. The reason why is because everybody is trying to survive. When everyone is trying to survive its easy for a person to sell their souls.</p>
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<p>The elected officials are only trying to get a bigger piece of cake to feed their starving and unemployed constituents. </p>
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<p>The problem is only made worse when an elected officials sells their soul. Because it follows, the rest of people trying to survive will do anything to get bread and this is like a vicious cycle that will never stop.</p>
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<p>Even if you try and stay clean with no bad record in Kenya, the people will not vote you back if you leave them hungry. So elected officials have to find other sources of wealth creation which ends up being the public coffers.</p>
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<p>I see you talking about good Kenyans. I have news for you, In Kenya there is no good or bad Kenyan. Everybody is trying to survive. If you step in the way of a person try to feed a whole tribe, he&#8217;ll see no use of you and throw you out.</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m not by any chance saying that things will never change. I believe things can change but they need to start changing from the top down or maybe the bottom up&#8230; I don&#8217;t know or I guess we should start by feeding the hungry people first &#8230;&#8230; Damn&#8230; This is a hard equation here !!
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		<title>By: WG</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Aug 2009 00:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had started to read the book back in May, but never got around to finishing it. I will now.</description>
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<p>I had started to read the book back in May, but never got around to finishing it. I will now.
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 14:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, I cant comment on this now but first thing tomorrow morning, i am gonna buy the book and read then come back and comment.</description>
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<p>Wow, I cant comment on this now but first thing tomorrow morning, i am gonna buy the book and read then come back and comment.
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