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		<title>By: YoYo</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 16:07:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lord, Kei O, Mzeiya,

As long as we have the Meru&#039;s  there is nothing to fear. The meru&#039;s will keep the supply of Miraa to the Somali&#039;s ..

The Miraa business will improve and money will start coming in. I&#039;ve always said Kenya needs more Military bases in NEP. I know there will be a war and we need to get prepared sooner rather than later. The Somali&#039;s are well armed and the fact that the Muslim militia have taken over mogadishu ... Is a sign that things could be going to the worst.

Kenyan leaders need to get prepared for the real possibility of serious altercation with Somali. I don&#039;t know.. why Kibaki is dragging on everything ... This is very inappropriate.</description>
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<p>Lord, Kei O, Mzeiya,</p>
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<p>As long as we have the Meru&#8217;s  there is nothing to fear. The meru&#8217;s will keep the supply of Miraa to the Somali&#8217;s ..</p>
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<p>The Miraa business will improve and money will start coming in. I&#8217;ve always said Kenya needs more Military bases in NEP. I know there will be a war and we need to get prepared sooner rather than later. The Somali&#8217;s are well armed and the fact that the Muslim militia have taken over mogadishu &#8230; Is a sign that things could be going to the worst.</p>
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<p>Kenyan leaders need to get prepared for the real possibility of serious altercation with Somali. I don&#8217;t know.. why Kibaki is dragging on everything &#8230; This is very inappropriate.
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:53:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KeIO

You have a point...The OROMO (OLF). Its a far greater threat to Ethiopia than Ogadenis.....Oromos are over 40million..

The Oroma also occupy upper eastern (Boranas).

....The Ethipians literally ran away from a failed state somalian fighters .....They can not face  a standing somalia...given the way ethiopai is...
Its facing Eritria.....and miriads of internal conflicts

Kenya should manage its ethnic problems fast (ie federate) otherwise it will be split by either somalis or Oramos</description>
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<p>You have a point&#8230;The OROMO (OLF). Its a far greater threat to Ethiopia than Ogadenis&#8230;..Oromos are over 40million..</p>
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<p>The Oroma also occupy upper eastern (Boranas).</p>
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<p>&#8230;.The Ethipians literally ran away from a failed state somalian fighters &#8230;..They can not face  a standing somalia&#8230;given the way ethiopai is&#8230;<br />
Its facing Eritria&#8230;..and miriads of internal conflicts</p>
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<p>Kenya should manage its ethnic problems fast (ie federate) otherwise it will be split by either somalis or Oramos
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		<title>By: Kei O</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 09:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ethiopia will never allow a very strong Somalia - watch this space.

The threat to Ethiopia from a strong Somalia is even greater than that to Kenya.

Ethiopia as a greater Somali population than Kenya in Ogaden.</description>
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<p>Ethiopia will never allow a very strong Somalia &#8211; watch this space.</p>
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<p>The threat to Ethiopia from a strong Somalia is even greater than that to Kenya.</p>
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<p>Ethiopia as a greater Somali population than Kenya in Ogaden.
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mzeiya..

Though things look bad let us NOT despair but fight to eliminate negative ethnicity &amp; corruption...Its true it starts with us...BUT our leaders have the greatest role to play</description>
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<p>@Mzeiya..</p>
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<p>Though things look bad let us NOT despair but fight to eliminate negative ethnicity &amp; corruption&#8230;Its true it starts with us&#8230;BUT our leaders have the greatest role to play
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Feb 2009 07:03:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mzeiya

Brilliant Piece...Somalis  would be light years..
1).They have a huge diaspora.
2) They are great bussinessmen ..
3) They are honest (in biz)
4) They are muslim...(easier to tap on interest free Credit from the brotherhood)


MOI (former) president admited in retirement that the future of Kenya is tied to that of Somalia..He feared a prosperous Somalia will demand NEP from a warring and fractous Kenya and it will take it...fearing disintegrating of KENYA....&quot;Kaeni kwa amani&quot;


A very strong Somalia might mean the end of Kenya..Funny the dynamics of things.......</description>
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<p>Brilliant Piece&#8230;Somalis  would be light years..<br />
1).They have a huge diaspora.<br />
2) They are great bussinessmen ..<br />
3) They are honest (in biz)<br />
4) They are muslim&#8230;(easier to tap on interest free Credit from the brotherhood)</p>
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<p>MOI (former) president admited in retirement that the future of Kenya is tied to that of Somalia..He feared a prosperous Somalia will demand NEP from a warring and fractous Kenya and it will take it&#8230;fearing disintegrating of KENYA&#8230;.&#8221;Kaeni kwa amani&#8221;</p>
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<p>A very strong Somalia might mean the end of Kenya..Funny the dynamics of things&#8230;&#8230;.
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		<title>By: mzeiya</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 20:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LORD,

thank u. I feel that TZ beat us in one area fair and square : tribalism / non tribalism.

I feel this is one area where nyerere was right and his vision was good. Tanzanians of all origins, black yellow, mixed, indian, arab, are less inclined / aware about their tribal affiliations unlike kenyans.

 The whole swahili unifiacation idea was an excellent startegy for nationalism. This is where kenya went wrong. Kenyatta could have done more and till currently, is an area that is a great weakness in kenya. There is no cohesion. Tanzanians think of themselves as Tzians first and tribe a distant last place. In kenya People think of themselves thru their tribes and country-NEVER, Only when we travel to foreign lands and we&#039;re still disunited!!  what a shame.

But With these developments in somalia, I see many kenyans moving there to explore the opportunities. I guess the somalis have finally seen that all the infighting does not help no one, even the warlords, ammunition costs are rising globally.

LORD, However, if somalia is able to pull it off and get a peace deal similar to south sudans, then by all mean I&#039;ll be very bullish on somalia as the fastes growing eceonomy in Africa, yes AFRICA, not just the eastern part. ask me why ?

  Because somalia, unlike sudan, has a huge network of economically sucessful somali diaspora located in all regions of the world, from kenya, eastleigh, to US, Europe, Austarlia, etc. Most of these guys still maintain very strong family ties and for the most part have been the ones sustaining the country thru sending money their.

 I can see, KCB and Equity setting up shop there permanently. No wonder the kenyan gvt is all giddy about building a railway line to run thru the northeast and establishing marsabit / isiolo as cities.....hhhhmmm sly move.

 The growth in somali would be fueled by tenfold increase in remittances by somali diapora who&#039;l now have the confidence to invest whole heartedly in their land.</description>
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<p>LORD,</p>
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<p>thank u. I feel that TZ beat us in one area fair and square : tribalism / non tribalism.</p>
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<p>I feel this is one area where nyerere was right and his vision was good. Tanzanians of all origins, black yellow, mixed, indian, arab, are less inclined / aware about their tribal affiliations unlike kenyans.</p>
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<p> The whole swahili unifiacation idea was an excellent startegy for nationalism. This is where kenya went wrong. Kenyatta could have done more and till currently, is an area that is a great weakness in kenya. There is no cohesion. Tanzanians think of themselves as Tzians first and tribe a distant last place. In kenya People think of themselves thru their tribes and country-NEVER, Only when we travel to foreign lands and we&#8217;re still disunited!!  what a shame.</p>
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<p>But With these developments in somalia, I see many kenyans moving there to explore the opportunities. I guess the somalis have finally seen that all the infighting does not help no one, even the warlords, ammunition costs are rising globally.</p>
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<p>LORD, However, if somalia is able to pull it off and get a peace deal similar to south sudans, then by all mean I&#8217;ll be very bullish on somalia as the fastes growing eceonomy in Africa, yes AFRICA, not just the eastern part. ask me why ?</p>
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<p>  Because somalia, unlike sudan, has a huge network of economically sucessful somali diaspora located in all regions of the world, from kenya, eastleigh, to US, Europe, Austarlia, etc. Most of these guys still maintain very strong family ties and for the most part have been the ones sustaining the country thru sending money their.</p>
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<p> I can see, KCB and Equity setting up shop there permanently. No wonder the kenyan gvt is all giddy about building a railway line to run thru the northeast and establishing marsabit / isiolo as cities&#8230;..hhhhmmm sly move.</p>
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<p> The growth in somali would be fueled by tenfold increase in remittances by somali diapora who&#8217;l now have the confidence to invest whole heartedly in their land.
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		<title>By: Lord</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 10:45:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mzieya

Thanks 
Interlectual honesty is a sign of an inteligent and a noble man

Kenya

Kenyas problem are all but ethnic.. If we manage them (ethnic federal units) like Germany ,India and all the world we shall have a chance in this world...otherwise NILL

Somalia 

Already they have agreed structures of Federal tribe states like Ogaden..Awiye state, Marehan State for Marehan clans etcs</description>
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<p>@Mzieya</p>
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<p>Thanks<br />
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<p>Kenya</p>
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<p>Kenyas problem are all but ethnic.. If we manage them (ethnic federal units) like Germany ,India and all the world we shall have a chance in this world&#8230;otherwise NILL</p>
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<p>Somalia </p>
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<p>Already they have agreed structures of Federal tribe states like Ogaden..Awiye state, Marehan State for Marehan clans etcs
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		<title>By: mzeiya</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 22:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LORD,

I&#039;m starting to feel you may have a point about somalia. I just read that E Cables are investing heavy in there coz they xpect the conflict to be over soon and re-construction to begin..</description>
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<p>LORD,</p>
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<p>I&#8217;m starting to feel you may have a point about somalia. I just read that E Cables are investing heavy in there coz they xpect the conflict to be over soon and re-construction to begin..
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		<title>By: Ole Mibei</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Feb 2009 18:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kei O,

I agree with the starvation point... but this being the case... It means Kenyans are being called to understand the need to Identify with each other all across the board.. through the country.

Tribalism is a weakness that Kenyans have... This weakness undermines Kenyans being able to forge forward to achieve the potential &amp; prosperity  that Kenya can achieve.

I did not say you support Revolutions.... All I&#039;m saying is that If any revolutions occur at this time.... They will not be a national revolution..... They will be ethnic revolutions.... That&#039;s all I&#039;m saying..

Unless people Identify with each other across the board.... Only then will Kenya achieve Its potential.....(especially the big tribes)..

Kenya needs a voting system that does not reward tribalism…. If the First Past the Post Voting system is not overhauled….. Then bitterness that exists between tribes will continue to thrive..

People all over the World wonder why Kenya elections are volatile.... People wonder... why can&#039;t kenya learn from previous PEV&#039;s and move on with life...

There is a saying... Doing something twice the same way and expecting different results... Is madness.... There was violence in 92,97 and 2007.. now we still want to close our eyes and expect something different in 2012.... forget it..

Kenyans need to review the Voting system that was copy paste from its Colonialists....

Parliamentary elections and Presidential elections need to be held on two years apart to reduce chances of spiraling rigging and ethnic violence ..... and to give the ECK more time to and less work in preparation for elections...

Kwani you guys don&#039;t see Kenyans having the same violence come 2012 ?.... Nothing has changed.... Not even the voting system... We are going to repeat the same mistake again..  


We would rather spend more on elections than spend a fortune in rebuilding a run down economy ..

I so much hope they Include changes like this in this coming constitution... Or else we will be repeating the same mistake come 2012..

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<p>I agree with the starvation point&#8230; but this being the case&#8230; It means Kenyans are being called to understand the need to Identify with each other all across the board.. through the country.</p>
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<p>Tribalism is a weakness that Kenyans have&#8230; This weakness undermines Kenyans being able to forge forward to achieve the potential &amp; prosperity  that Kenya can achieve.</p>
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<p>I did not say you support Revolutions&#8230;. All I&#8217;m saying is that If any revolutions occur at this time&#8230;. They will not be a national revolution&#8230;.. They will be ethnic revolutions&#8230;. That&#8217;s all I&#8217;m saying..</p>
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<p>Unless people Identify with each other across the board&#8230;. Only then will Kenya achieve Its potential&#8230;..(especially the big tribes)..</p>
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<p>Kenya needs a voting system that does not reward tribalism…. If the First Past the Post Voting system is not overhauled….. Then bitterness that exists between tribes will continue to thrive..</p>
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<p>People all over the World wonder why Kenya elections are volatile&#8230;. People wonder&#8230; why can&#8217;t kenya learn from previous PEV&#8217;s and move on with life&#8230;</p>
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<p>There is a saying&#8230; Doing something twice the same way and expecting different results&#8230; Is madness&#8230;. There was violence in 92,97 and 2007.. now we still want to close our eyes and expect something different in 2012&#8230;. forget it..</p>
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<p>Kenyans need to review the Voting system that was copy paste from its Colonialists&#8230;.</p>
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<p>Parliamentary elections and Presidential elections need to be held on two years apart to reduce chances of spiraling rigging and ethnic violence &#8230;.. and to give the ECK more time to and less work in preparation for elections&#8230;</p>
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<p>Kwani you guys don&#8217;t see Kenyans having the same violence come 2012 ?&#8230;. Nothing has changed&#8230;. Not even the voting system&#8230; We are going to repeat the same mistake again..  </p>
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<p>We would rather spend more on elections than spend a fortune in rebuilding a run down economy ..</p>
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<p>I so much hope they Include changes like this in this coming constitution&#8230; Or else we will be repeating the same mistake come 2012..</p>
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