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		<title>By: kanu chini</title>
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		<dc:creator>kanu chini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 17:08:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best thing is eliminate the current thieves who are there in the name of &#039;leaders&#039;by whatever means.They are so useless,they just care about themselves,may the devil take them.</description>
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<p>The best thing is eliminate the current thieves who are there in the name of &#8216;leaders&#8217;by whatever means.They are so useless,they just care about themselves,may the devil take them.
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		<title>By: kenyanentrepreneur</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 06:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-103537&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Cross check&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: cannot find the source now, but read somewhere that 80% of Kenya’s population is below the age of 35 years. 
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If this statistic is correct, then it is not a ticking time bomb.  It&#039;s an explosion about to happen.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-103537" rel="nofollow">Cross check</a></strong>: cannot find the source now, but read somewhere that 80% of Kenya’s population is below the age of 35 years.
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<p>If this statistic is correct, then it is not a ticking time bomb.  It&#8217;s an explosion about to happen.
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		<title>By: Junior</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 17:39:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ke and others,

I have a question for you guys,

What do you think about Dr. Bonny Khalwale and his motions to fight corruption ?

Do you believe Dr. Khalwale is Genuine ? If not Why...

Which steps can the constitutional review team take in addressing corruption in parliament by parliamentarians ?

Most politically correct politicians always get past censure motions with a overwhelming support- What steps can address this vacuum of leadership in parliament ?

Why do parliamentarians fear to come out openly against their corrupt fellow parliamentarians ?


I just kept asking asking my self these questions and thought that maybe I would get some answers from you guys. Because I personally think if corruption can be ended in parliament then the rest will follow. I also find that i admire Bonny Khalwale who I see is putting himself at tremendous risk by opting to go against the corruption tide in parliament.

Lastly, I know a lot of you will say that the reason corruption is rampant is because their is NO opposition. But I hope everybody still remembers that even when we had opposition corruption in parliament was a serious problem. We heard stories of Mp&#039;s being bought on the floor and pursuing own personal goals with no real understanding of what moral implications such a move would have on the integrity of the house.

I don&#039;t know but a times I think we need an Ethics committee with teeth to pursue such kind of immoral parliamentarians. 

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<p>Ke and others,</p>
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<p>I have a question for you guys,</p>
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<p>What do you think about Dr. Bonny Khalwale and his motions to fight corruption ?</p>
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<p>Do you believe Dr. Khalwale is Genuine ? If not Why&#8230;</p>
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<p>Which steps can the constitutional review team take in addressing corruption in parliament by parliamentarians ?</p>
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<p>Most politically correct politicians always get past censure motions with a overwhelming support- What steps can address this vacuum of leadership in parliament ?</p>
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<p>Why do parliamentarians fear to come out openly against their corrupt fellow parliamentarians ?</p>
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<p>I just kept asking asking my self these questions and thought that maybe I would get some answers from you guys. Because I personally think if corruption can be ended in parliament then the rest will follow. I also find that i admire Bonny Khalwale who I see is putting himself at tremendous risk by opting to go against the corruption tide in parliament.</p>
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<p>Lastly, I know a lot of you will say that the reason corruption is rampant is because their is NO opposition. But I hope everybody still remembers that even when we had opposition corruption in parliament was a serious problem. We heard stories of Mp&#8217;s being bought on the floor and pursuing own personal goals with no real understanding of what moral implications such a move would have on the integrity of the house.</p>
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<p>I don&#8217;t know but a times I think we need an Ethics committee with teeth to pursue such kind of immoral parliamentarians. </p>
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<p>What say you ?
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		<title>By: coldtusker</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Mar 2009 14:17:24 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-103527&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kei O&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: CTThat is precisely the point.The fact that someone was forced to swear allegiance at panga point does not necessarily mean that those who forced him are Mungiki.

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Trust me... they were mungiki. And even if they were not... I support their elimination. Kenya is NOT the only country with high levels of poverty but the violence is deplorable.

And why do the mungiki (or 3rd force) target the wananchi? I say they should go for the big mboys... and they will be hailed as heroes.

Killing a mama mboga, farmer or matatu driver (though... sometimes...) does not help Kenyans...</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-103527" rel="nofollow">Kei O</a></strong>: CTThat is precisely the point.The fact that someone was forced to swear allegiance at panga point does not necessarily mean that those who forced him are Mungiki.</p>
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<p>Trust me&#8230; they were mungiki. And even if they were not&#8230; I support their elimination. Kenya is NOT the only country with high levels of poverty but the violence is deplorable.</p>
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<p>And why do the mungiki (or 3rd force) target the wananchi? I say they should go for the big mboys&#8230; and they will be hailed as heroes.</p>
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<p>Killing a mama mboga, farmer or matatu driver (though&#8230; sometimes&#8230;) does not help Kenyans&#8230;
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		<title>By: Mackaveli</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 03:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ke et al,

A times I wonder why people like you spend time blogging about Kenya- The country full of jokers.

You people keep going on and on with all these rants that never end. Kenya is a simple problem. Dismantle the powers that be.

 To change Kenya the &quot;powers that be&quot; must be dismantled- this is not hard. Its very easy. Thats the only way. They&#039;re the people keeping the status quo and holding the country by th nuts.

Kibaki has been unable to do it. This is very clear.</description>
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<p>Ke et al,</p>
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<p>A times I wonder why people like you spend time blogging about Kenya- The country full of jokers.</p>
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<p>You people keep going on and on with all these rants that never end. Kenya is a simple problem. Dismantle the powers that be.</p>
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<p> To change Kenya the &#8220;powers that be&#8221; must be dismantled- this is not hard. Its very easy. Thats the only way. They&#8217;re the people keeping the status quo and holding the country by th nuts.</p>
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<p>Kibaki has been unable to do it. This is very clear.
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		<title>By: Cross check</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 20:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cannot find the source now, but read somewhere that 80% of Kenya&#039;s population is below the age of 35 years.  

Comparisons of Kenya with other African countries can be found here: http://www.aphrc.org/documents/AfricaDatasheet2008.pdf. 

The fastest growing segment of the population are the poorest - there are statistics that during the Bush years there was limited funding for contraception, and poor married couples especially in the slums experienced an explosion of unplanned births.  Search US state dept sites too - notice the new US administration has restored funding and therefore contraceptives will begin to be distributed in the slums again.

The economist, in an article titled &quot;opportunity knocks&quot; also states violence was a matter of time given Kenya&#039;s demographics and new found freedoms of expression: http://www.economist.com/world/mideast-africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12376610 

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<p>Cannot find the source now, but read somewhere that 80% of Kenya&#8217;s population is below the age of 35 years.  </p>
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<p>Comparisons of Kenya with other African countries can be found here: <a href="http://www.aphrc.org/documents/AfricaDatasheet2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.aphrc.org/documents.....et2008.pdf</a>. </p>
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<p>The fastest growing segment of the population are the poorest &#8211; there are statistics that during the Bush years there was limited funding for contraception, and poor married couples especially in the slums experienced an explosion of unplanned births.  Search US state dept sites too &#8211; notice the new US administration has restored funding and therefore contraceptives will begin to be distributed in the slums again.</p>
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<p>The economist, in an article titled &#8220;opportunity knocks&#8221; also states violence was a matter of time given Kenya&#8217;s demographics and new found freedoms of expression: <a href="http://www.economist.com/world/mideast-africa/displaystory.cfm?story_id=12376610" rel="nofollow">http://www.economist.com/world.....d=12376610</a> </p>
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		<title>By: Kei O</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CT

That is precisely the point.  The fact that someone was forced to swear allegiance at panga point does not necessarily mean that those who forced him are Mungiki.  They could be anyone masquerading as Mungiki.  

There is a rumour going round that there is a third force masquerading as Mungiki - I do not know for what purpose.

Kenyan politics is too murky for me.

Keep safe.  I will not lose my life for people who will then vote imbeciles into parliament in 2012.  No Way Jose!</description>
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<p>That is precisely the point.  The fact that someone was forced to swear allegiance at panga point does not necessarily mean that those who forced him are Mungiki.  They could be anyone masquerading as Mungiki.  </p>
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<p>There is a rumour going round that there is a third force masquerading as Mungiki &#8211; I do not know for what purpose.</p>
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<p>Kenyan politics is too murky for me.</p>
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<p>Keep safe.  I will not lose my life for people who will then vote imbeciles into parliament in 2012.  No Way Jose!
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		<title>By: kenyanentrepreneur</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 16:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;strong&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#comment-103517&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sufuri Bin Sufuri&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/strong&gt;: You always recommend the China model to Kenya. I see you charging that the Kenya police use too much Force. I thought that’s the approach that the China model follows. I mean can you take one stand instead of taking contradictory stands ?
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I&#039;ve recommended the Singaporean model, which does not involve extra-judicial killings, but is based on a system of laws whereby you focus intensely on building the economy in order to forestall future problems like crime, ethnic riots, etc, etc....

The problem with Kibaki is that he is refusing to enforce the rule of law and also refusing to keep a lid on the security situation (&amp; by security, I mean using intelligence services to find out what these groups are about and trying to dismantle them internally throught bribery or whatever) --  killing them indiscriminately is not going to work because the group is made up of unemployed young kikuyu men and they could be anyone.</description>
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<p><strong><a href="#comment-103517" rel="nofollow">Sufuri Bin Sufuri</a></strong>: You always recommend the China model to Kenya. I see you charging that the Kenya police use too much Force. I thought that’s the approach that the China model follows. I mean can you take one stand instead of taking contradictory stands ?
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<p>I&#8217;ve recommended the Singaporean model, which does not involve extra-judicial killings, but is based on a system of laws whereby you focus intensely on building the economy in order to forestall future problems like crime, ethnic riots, etc, etc&#8230;.</p>
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<p>The problem with Kibaki is that he is refusing to enforce the rule of law and also refusing to keep a lid on the security situation (&#038; by security, I mean using intelligence services to find out what these groups are about and trying to dismantle them internally throught bribery or whatever) &#8212;  killing them indiscriminately is not going to work because the group is made up of unemployed young kikuyu men and they could be anyone.
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		<title>By: coldtusker</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 14:27:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kei O: Do you live in Kenya?

mungiki exists. I know someone who was forced (at pangapoint) to swear allegiance.

No idea about the 3rd force.</description>
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<p>Kei O: Do you live in Kenya?</p>
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<p>mungiki exists. I know someone who was forced (at pangapoint) to swear allegiance.</p>
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