No Taxation If you Want Representation
In this world, people who complain about paying taxes can be divided into two classes: Men and Women.
I must say, that after the former MP’s were voted outed in such large numbers, I thought these new set of MP’s would become more attuned to the overwhelming public pulse about this issue of taxes, but it doesn’t seem to be happening.
This is yet another reason why I have repeatedly said that democracy cannot work in Africa and Kibaki should not even try to rule the country democratically. According to the Standard:
“Last week, Michuki was arm-twisted by MPs to drop the proposal to tax their allowances after they threatened to shoot down the crucial Finance Bill. If the MPs had shot down the Bill, the Kenya Revenue Authority would not have the legal mandate to collect taxes from Kenyans next year”.
If Kibaki had balls, he would tell the KRA to tax their salaries and he would tell the exechequer to comply with this order. If the MP’s then threaten to go on strike, let them do it, but Kibaki should just force all the other civil servants to keep working and force the KRA to continue to collect taxes.
You either have a country that is defined (completely) by the rule of law or you drop the illusion of it’s existence and just rule the country like a complete dictator.
You know what Al Capone used to say when people asked him why he never paid taxes? Direct quote: “They can’t collect legal taxes from illegal money”. 
The Kenyan MP’s should use this same argument because at this point, they are behaving like Al Capone’s runners.
“In this world, people who complain about paying taxes can be divided into two classes: Men and Women.”
I understand where you’re coming from, but phrases like that might alienate half of your audience. But if I recall correctly, it’s usually men who are indicted for white-collar crimes, including tax evasion
Whatever happened to RAILA…..Why is he queit about this? I thought ODM was about change….aren’t they part of the government?…….I know what ur thinking already…..am I a real Kenyan?……I should know better..
A decision such as you suggest should not even require dictatorship, benevolent or otherwise. The problem is that much as i have been a supporter of PNU, i have never really thought of Kibaki as a leader. The only reason i voted for him is because i considered Raila an untrustworthy, dangerous megalomaniac who would destroy Kenya. Kibaki on the other hand is a cowardly, craven, indecisive “leader” who can never make ANY decisions. Indeed, apart from taxing the MPs, he should reduce their pay and peg their allowances to actual work done and parliamentary attendance, and if they don’t like it they can take a flying leap. After all, such a move would have the overwhelming support of the people. However, Kibaki has never had faith in the people and is uncomfortable around the ordinary hoi polloi and has no idea how to relate with them, yet THEY are the Kenya he rules.
What Kenya requires is fresh young leadership under 50, preferably even before 2012. Why should we wait till then? The system as it is now does not need an overhaul, it needs brand new 21st century material.
In my view the system and its leadership is like an old 504 while what it should be is a Toyota Prius.
@ Dee
Raila is a conman
noni… and what is kibz?
- is he decisive?
- is he clean (not corrupt)?
- is he a visionary?
- is he a leader?
CT, you and noni are on the same side. You agree that we are bankrupt (in all that matters) as a country. It’s this nonsense of seeing either kibz or raila as the only alternatives that will continue to mess us up. Having said that, I urge all those who where rooting for change (regardless of the cost, not caring who you were bedding in order to get to your destination) to cast their eyes to mumbai, and to see what their getting into bed with islamists might cost us yet.
@ coldtusker
Kibaki campaigned on a platform of “Kazi iendelee” meaning things to continue like they where…..well to me is continue the same laid back style of leadership as long as things get done. Unfortunately this kind of leadership is not conformational and may not root out the bad weeds…
Raila campained on a platform of “change” or ” Chungwa Moja, Maisha Boraa”. I promise you that chungwa is very bitter now especially to his constituents as prices of commodity continue to shoot up. In other words, he conned whoever voted for him.
Kenyans are to blame… after Kenyans allowed the current bunch – kibz, liarla & kalooser – to form the ‘coalition’ govt…
The Kenyan youth should only vote for someone who is less than 50 years old in 2012. Of course, the candidate should meet the minimum requirements of integrity.
I think everyone agrees that Kenya needs a younger leader, but look at our choices in 2012.
An ageing Raila who will be 70 years old and a 55 year old lighweight in Kalonzo Musyoka who seems to stand for nothing at all.
William Ruto who is relatively young at 45, has ruined his chances completely because of his violent associations with those Kalenjin Militia’s.
Raphael Tuju would have been a good choice, but Kenya is still too tribal.
I think everyone agrees that Kenya needs a younger leader, but look at our choices in 2012.
An ageing Raila who will be 70 years old in 2012 and a 55 year old lighweight in Kalonzo Musyoka who seems to stand for nothing at all.
William Ruto who is relatively young at 45, has ruined his chances completely because of his violent associations with those Kalenjin Militia’s. I can’t even believe Kibaki is trying to work out a deal with him. What kind of message will that send to the thousands of victims of the violence in the rift valley?
Raphael Tuju would have been a good choice, but Kenya is still too tribal.
Coldtusker:
Kibaki is the lessor of two evils– and after seeing Raila’s association with these violent Kalenjin groups, I am glad Kibaki stayed put (even if you think he rigged). To have a man like william ruto in power would have been a bloody and violent disaster for Kenya.
Raila is now trying to backtrack from this reckless choice he made, but I’m afraid the damage to his reputation has already been done.
Kenya is a young country ruled by very old people.
Mymoney is on Martha for now. Not that is the most ideal but atleast she is principled and her party does not have much buggage of corrupt people.
Raila has to much buggage on his trunk with all those kanu era people like rutos, ntimamas, kosgeis…with such buggage he cant do much
Don’t equate age with good leadership please. Just take a look at Namwamba.
Integrity, Patriotism, Hardwork, statemanship, visionary and good economic ecumen are the qualities I would be looking for.
Most Kenyans are fools. Or how do you account for the past 45 years of electing (mostly) idiots?
I am not happy with Raila’s recent actions & inactions but kibz lost my respect after anglo-leasing. Most Kenyans would have supported him if he had shut it down. Were his kids involved in anglo-fleecing?
CT
Anglo-Leasing contracts were all signed before 2002 during Moi’s time. Many of those who were involved in drafting and signing those contracts are now in ODM.
That is not say that more could not have been done to cancel them. But I understand the government was facing legal suits of billions of shillings because bizarre as it sounds, all Anglo-Leasing contracts were legally sound.
Please let us be fair to all even as we critisize.
kenya needs a different group of people to lead. most if not all the politicians in kenya are corrupt. we do not have a leader who fights for people. everyone seems to be fighting for their own. kenyans have been fool to think that we are fighting between tribes. it is just a tactic to distract the public from scrutinizing the government and their ill will. it is about time to give power to the people and i am urging kenyans to vote out all this corrupt, selfish, lazy, thoughtless minded leaders. i do not care what tribe you are. turkana, maasai luo, taita, teso, kalenjin , kikuyu etc. let us choose people who are going to fight for us. we pay them and they should show us what they are doing in return. it is about time to grow up and stop the silly tribal , village to village ignorant stupid why of thinking. we need to put the country first. our leaders have talk alot and nothing to show for. enough is enough. people are going to bed hungry , chilldren are suffering. we are where we are not because of kenya people, because of this selfish leaders who have corrupted the country for years. Eveytime we turn around , we hear of a scandal of billions of shillings. kenya money gone. and what do we do! we form a commission pay them millions of public money to investicate. and to our satifaction we come to a dead and case close. let us wake people. it is time to wake up. those of you like to talk about tribal issues , moi, kibaki, odinga, jomo kenyatta , mau mau , we are not doing justice to our country. we need to get rid of them all. how are we going to get anywhere when they are taking naps in paliarment . they do not want to pay taxes. it is time to save our country. let us educated our people and believe me once they realsie the motive kenya will change forever.
Linus:
The people voted out almost 70% of the old MP’s. They’re not stupid, but what more can they do?
Raila is defending them by saying they have mortgages! (when people are going hungry).
Kibaki has no balls and has been a zombie for years. Has Kibaki’s mind finally and completely collapsed?
Ruto has blood all over his hands.
Kalonzo has neither balls nor brains. All he seems to do is quote the bible and tell us how much he loves Jesus while spouting off empty promises about building an international airport in wajir.
Namwambwa is a drama queen.
Who else is left?
KE
An international airport in Wajir???? That was laughable.
I think Namwamba had a great game plan regarding the Waki report. He wanted ODM to totally reject it. This would have meant that the suspects would go to the Hague pronto. Do not underestimate the guy. I understand he is a lawyer.
once again, kenya problems should have a kenyan solution. i do not see how we can go to Hague and come back home and say justice is done. the root caused of the problem needs to be addressed. the only people to do that are the kenya leaders. the constitution needs to be drafted a new. people needs to be allowed to vote on it. corruption needs to be eradicated. people needs to be involve in government processes. poverty needs to be eliminated. land issues needs to be address. it is sickening to walkup each morning and see this so call leaders fighting. i used to think that kalonzo was the guy to lead kenya, but after the last election i realised the guy is an hypocrite. it seems like people go to parliament with good intentions. once they get there something overtakes the purpose and reasoning. Obama like to use the word bamboozle, i think kenyans year after year are being bamboozle.. shame.
Oh Linus
This, that, here, there…
At this point, everyone needs to just focus on making their own money because no one is looking out for you.
Darwin was right. It’s about survival of the fittest.
Bob Marley was also right when he said that capitalism is a vampire. Remember that song? Marley was a genius:
Babylon system is the vampire, yeah (vampire)
Suckin the children day by day, yeah
Me say, the Babylon system is the vampire, falling empire,
Suckin the blood of the sufferahs, yea-ea-ea-ea-e-ah!
Building church and university, wo-o-ooh, yeah! –
Deceiving the people continually, yea-ea!
Me say them graduatin thieves and murderers
Look out now: they suckin the blood of the sufferahs (sufferahs)
Yea-ea-ea! (sufferahs)
Tell the children the truth
Tell the children the truth
Tell the children the truth right now!
Come on and tell the children the truth…
The truth? everything begins and ends with money. We might as well all accept this truth.
KE
Let me say for the upteenth time .RUTO does NOT HAVE blood in his hands. His tribesmen may have but that got to be proved…..What is easily discernable is RUTO LOVES CORUPT MONEY…..I think he must have roasted the maize…….
Word is around that they PALLED with the SECOND LADY in the roasting ….thats why there is NO SOUND FROM THE HSE ON THE HILL or as expected any BARKING from the Mountain dogs
I agree though with the analysis of the Kenyan leaders…..Raila is still in my reckoning the only ONE EYED MAN
Lord
Ruto may not have done the killing personally but he sure incited (just like Hitler never personally killed anyone during the second world war). All his speeches have been recorded and they will be used against him. So your point does not hold water.
Yes it is true that the Hague will not solve the root causes of the problem, but that is not the objective of the Hague. The Hague is a criminal court dealing with criminal offences i.e. crimes against humanity, genocide, murder, torture, ethnic cleansing etc.
The root causes of the problem will only be dealt with politically in Kenya.
The point of the whole exercise is to ensure that political disputes are not resolved through mindless primitive moronic violence but through civilised negotiations and dialogue.
Impunity must and will end in Kenya.
I guess they never ever thought that they will be cornered one day. Especially Ruto and his cronies who for almost 10 years were literally drunk with power. Now they are in a corner and the noose is slowly tightening.
There sure is a God (for the innocent victims).
I hope parliament does not agree on a Tribunal – then these goons will run to hide in the jungle like Joseph Kony.
I am really enjoying this.
hahahahahahahaahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!! (maniacal laughter)
Kei O
Thats is beautifull…Lets just wait [it will take long for the Hauge to proof or disproof] . I also want the the case GO TO THE HAUGE. Not for the same reosons as you but because i know a local tribunal will be just like 2007 election (STOLEN).
This will put RUTO and KENYATTA away for 15 YRS. I BET both will be realeased after NO EVIDENCE..so lets wait
YOU join the bandwagon of impunity will end ah ah
GOOD LUCK
Isnt it true that Kibaki is the president ? isnt True that some small people have been remanded for PEV ? If you have recoded evidence ( as yo claim to know) simply ARREST RUTO and take him to court and PLAY THE EVIDENCE ? This cowardice simply is incomprehesible
Kei O
You will soon see within a week ~the people pushing for the local tribunal will be the pnus while Odmers will insist the Hauge….Test this in the wrapping of the WAKI report
Lord
You missed my point – YET AGAIN!
My point is THIS:
Any evidence (recorded or not) against Ruto and other inciters will never be used against them in Kenya. This is what is called IMPUNITY.
However, this same evidence under the microscope of the Hague will suddenly be as valuable as platinum or pink diamonds.
As for Ruto’s speeches, go on Youtube and you will find them. I do not claim to have them. They are in the public domain. There are others caught in that net too such as Anyang Nyong, Gumo, Ntimama etc.
Question for you:
Why do you think Ruto has suddenly started backing a local Tribunal?
Answer:
It is not because he thinks that he can manipulate a local Tribunal (which I am sure he can try to). It is only because he has now been advised about the REAL EFFECT of an international warrant issued by the ICC – and Namwamba knows it too.
Hahahahahahahaaaaahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is as good as it gets.
Why are you guys discussing the hague? I keep telling you that not even people died in Kenya to warrant a case at the Hague or at the international criminal court.
Those courts are reserved for the world’s worst atrocities and Kenya’s election violence was nothing near a catastrophe (especially for Africa, which has seen such horrible violence).
A more important issue is to focus on why Kibaki is trying to negotiate a deal with Ruto. That is not just unbelievable, it is dangerous. Ruto is young and if he lives, he could be involved in politics for many years to come, which would give him many opportunities to use violence again.
Even Raila now realizes how dangerous Ruto is. They cannot allow him to get anywhere near the halls of power.
Raila has to get away from those Kalenjins and this is not a tribal statement on my part. You simply cannot associate with people like that if you want to create a civilized society.
Kei O
You state clearly that any evidence against Ruto will never be used against him in KENYA. In short you are saying The Gov. is IMPOTENT on RUTO. Thats whay i said i cannot understand such COWARDICE.
As for your laughter well…take care
KE
Why is Kibaki trying to negotiate a DEAL with Ruto? I think you can get an answer from this Blog… All along i had pointed out that Kikuyus really HATE Ruto beyond belief (from all Kyuk handles)….They also realised they can not do anything against RUTO except to WISH for the HAUGE….So whats left? IF YOU CANT BEAT JOIN…
It happened when whites colonised Africa? They were and are STILL respected for IT even though people SHED crocodile tears on independence DAY (oh oh wakolini afathadhali Kupe..oh)
The problem is YOU…..Stop the hatred and you will be FREE
Lord
I really do not understand where you are coming from.
I said the reason why Ruto or any other inciter will not be prosecuted in Kenya is because of impunity. It is NOT cowardice. It is the fact that the judiciary and other state organs inclduing parliament do not function properly. That is the problem.
As fo the Kikuyu hatred of Ruto – there has to be a reaon for it. And I believe that Ruto and his cronies also hate Kikuyus.
I understand Ruto has been well advised to cooperate with Kibaki because that is the only way he may be able to avoid becoming another Kabuga i.e. on the run for the rest of his life.
As for my laughter – I really don’t care.
Reports say that more 70% percent of Kenyans would like the ICC to try these people. Why should I be any different?
Lord
Look at what speeches can earn you – 14 years later!!!
Inciters in Kenya will not escape this time. They are in the net. The moment ODM insisted on international mediation is the moment their fate was sealed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wor.....760456.stm
KE
It is not the number of people that were killed that determines whetther the ICC will prosecute.
It is the intent.
In any case a displacement of 500000 people is not a small matter. If anything, that is ethnic cleansing
This is a criminal matter and “intent” in law has a different interpretation from “intent” in normal language use. Do a bit of legal digging and you will understand what I mean.
These guys will eventually face the ICC if they try a cover-up in the local Tribunal.
Kei O;
I think you are getting hung-up on irrelevant legal minutae and you are forgetting to analyze this issue within a broder context, but before I talk about that, let me first explain to the other readers what it is you are talking about.
In order to successfully prosecute someone for a criminal act, you must first establish or prove certain elements of the case. The first element in all criminal cases that one must prove is called the “mens rea” or the mental intent of the criminal. This is what Kei O is talking about.
However, intent, is not the only element that must be proved in a criminal case. After establishing intent (i.e. showing that the person wanted to commit this crime), you then must establish the “actus rea” or the “act — i.e. you must show that the person not only intended to kill, but did in fact kill or got someone else to kill on their behalf.
In advanced countries, establishing the mental intent of a person is important because you cannot criminally prosecute somone who is not of sound mind and that is why this rule of intent exists. You are essentially trying to show that the accused was not insane at the time the crime was committed.
However, this is all irrelevant to the larger issue at hand, which is that william ruto will never even get to the hague or the ICC because these institutions are at their base, POLITICAL institutions. Unless the government of kenya, acts uniformly and tells the ICC or the Hague that they want to prosecute ALL the perpetrators of the violence, no case will ever be brought against them.
This is why I have said that the best way to deal with violent perpetrators is to copy the Israeli method of targetted assasinations. It is what America did after they were attacked on 9/11 (they’ve been finding these guys and killing them) and by the way, America has refused to join the ICC and I doubt obama will join it either. Counntries want the freedom to be able to go after their enemies and eliminate them.
I also expect India, after the attacks in Mumbai, to do the same thing against the terrorist camps in Pakistan. They are going to launch raids into pakistan and kill those people.
Another good example is Kagame. There’s a reason the planners of the genocide are in hiding. Kagame is looking for them and he has no intention of bringing them to the hague (and they know it).
These international institutions are highly overrated.
I think that the very fact that there will be a tribunal is a milestone in Kenyan history.
It will certainly act as a deterrent against future excesses if anything.
Josh:
What politician in Kenya has ever paid a price for anything? You know what that tribunal will do? it will convict and sentence all those 18 year old kalenjins who are given money by people like ruto and told to go out and kill kikuyu’s.
There is no leadership from Kibaki on this issue. I think he’s become a zombie. Who is running that country presently?
KE
Do not forget you said KIBAKI & Michuki (environment) are working on something before 2012
KE & All
I think Kalenjins should read this stuff and be ready..especialy stuff from KE .
KE
The rule for establishing culpability in criminal cases is the same one used in the Kenyan legal system. It is the common law system which Kenya adopted from the UK. It is wrong for you to say that it is only used in the so called advanced countries.
However, we all know that the Kenyan judiciary has been an embarrasment over many years. Things are not done as they should be done. This is why there was that idea of the Radical Surgery of the Judiciary in 2002 which I understand did not amount to anything.
A local tribunal does not inspire much confidence in achieving justice for the innocent victims. Some people support a local tribunal in the hope that they will manipulate its outcome. This is common knowledge.
But as Josh says, the very fact that the government has been forced to constitute a tribunal should tell you how serious this issue has become.
For your information, if the local tribunal is not constituted within the stipulated time, the ICC will AUTOMATICALLY step in and issue arrest warrants for those in the now famous envelope. This means that Kenya (and other ICC signatories) will be required to immediately arrest them and hand them over to the ICC.
I understand there are 6 ministers and 5 Mps in the envelope (I could be wrong).
Can’t you see how serious this would be????
Now, it doesn’t matter whether they are found innocent at the ICC or not – the damage will already have been done to their careers.
And another thing you must remember is that the Waki report will not be the sole evidence used for prosecution. Witnesses will appear before the commission and other evidence will also be adduced against the suspects (and I insist suspects). This is where the problem lies – in that there is a real possibility that the suspects could be actually be found guilty.
NB: No one knows who is in the envelope (Ruto may not even be in the envelope). So let us stop assuming that we know who is in the envelope until it is opened.
If the threat of future violence in Kenya is not dealt with once and for all, this is what am gonna do:
- liquidate all my assets and investments in Kenya
- ship out all my close family members
Never step in Kenya again except as a tourist.
I have only one life and I ain’t gonna waste a minute of it gladly suffering fools.
Josh…folding up and running away from responsibility is not the solution. Here’s a clear process towards sensible governance in this country:
1. We (Kenyans) admit that we have failed our generation, and those to come by voting along tribal; wealthy family name lines, etc.
2. Embark on an intensive civic education process to educate (especially) the large rural population on the sense to elect leaders based on issues that will see future generations inherit a better country that we found.
3. Change the constitution through the people….not a few greedy (MPs) individuals who are only out to amend sections of the constitution that guarantees them fat checks.
Zoro:
Do you work for the tooth fairy? because what you have just outlined is a fairy tale, which will never be implemented in Kenya’s present political environment.
KE
General Tuwei (Kal) took Njoroges position as an army commander….. I presume you meant this when you said Michuki & Kibaki will do something
Surely you cannot skirt this piece
KE
When did you start this moderation on LORD. You can ask i quit and i will oblige quitely!!!
Lord:
Moderation? I don’t know why your last comment went into the spam folder. Usually that only happens when you place a comment with 2 or more links.
On General Tuwei — commander of what? He is not the head of the army and I highly doubt he will get that position. Look who is directly “underneath” him — a guy called Mwaniki.
I told you guys a year ago that they were going to re-align the security services and that is exactly what is happening right now. However, I also said this process would take 2 or more years. Don’t get excited about tuwei — Kibaki still has 3 more years to re-align things.