Raila’s Strange Alliance With The Libyans
So, I’m watching this video and I see Raila at the home of the Libyan Ambassador to Kenya (forward video to minute 1:31). Why is Raila so close to the Libyans? This is a rhetorical question because the answer is obvious: It’s all about the money.
However, I want to talk about why this alliance is so dangerous. Muamar Ghaddafi is a shady, dangerous man, who spent years supporting terrorists groups headed by dangerous men like Abu Nidal and Carlos the Jackal (the Venezuelan terrorist). Ghaddafi was finally placated when Ronald Reagan bombed his house in Tripoli and his 5 month old adopted daughter was killed (he stopped messing with America from that point on).
However, Ghaddafi also had military training camps in his country that supported and funded people like Charles Taylor in Liberia and Foday Sankoh in Sierra Leone. When Charles Taylor escaped from his jail cell in Massachusetts, he found his way into one of those training camps and with support from Ghaddafi, was then able to return to Liberia and launch that brutal civil war. The same thing happened with Foday Sankoh. He launched the civil war in Sierra Leone, after training at a military camp in Libya.
Now, we all know that Kibaki has formed very strong alliances with both Israel and America (two of Ghaddafi’s arch enemies) and I can’t imagine what would have happened to Kenya had Raila embraced this radical Islamist and moved Kenya away from it’s traditional allies and towards more islamic countries like Libya (dangerous, dangerous).
America cannot afford to have a president in Kenya who does not tow the line on this issue. I’ve heard some Kenyans argue that the British were initially criticizing Kibaki because Kenya refused to renew their land rover contracts. Please, please, please…..Kenya is a reliable western ally that both countries need in order to fight islamic radicalism (we border both Sudan and Somalia, two countries that make the west very nervous). Raila is busy signing MOU’s with muslims and hanging out at the Libyan ambassador’s house eating lamb kebabs. You think that makes America and England a tad bit nervous? hmmm…
I know Libya has oil, but is such an alliance worth it? (you know what they call oil in the Middle East? “The black blood of Allah”). The suggestion by the Libyan ambassador that his country is willing to help us develop our democracy is pathetically laughable.
YAWN!!!
You can yawn all you want honey, but your buddy Raila is out of control hanging out with these Allah Akbars.
Kenyans don’t like these broad foreign policy discussions. I know. What do you want to talk about? Pangas, machete’s and sukuma wiki? get out of your village and view the world more broadly. Now that I’ve put you to sleep, I hope you have sweet dreams.
KE: Stop this hate and bigotry… Some of us have been personally affected by the conflict (even though we dont belong to any of the “big” tribes), but we dont go out lashing at anything on our paths… Contrary to what you think, am not pro-Raila or pro-Kibaki. Am pro-Kenya. pro-peace and pro-justice. I’ve worked in war-torn countries in Africa, and seen the effects that war has on a people. It is ugly. There are no winners in war. You lose your dignity… All I ask of you is to blog responsibly. Kenya needs PEACE.
KE-I like your point but avoid excitement and loss of self control…”Allah Akbars” is unneccesary.But I agree Raila has an agenda. But Libyans aren’t that stupid to attempt rebel support against Kenya. Remember Kenya is a strategic country to the West especially the USA. Why do you think we grabbed headlines all over the world including small towns and college newspapers? Our mess is not even a month’s old. Usually for Africa it takes a while or a celebrity visiting the hotspot for the western media to consider it news (read Rwanda).But Kenya is different. Gaddafi knows it too well. He does not want to give the US another opportunity to pin him against the West,plus he’s a changed man (I guess). He has of late been talking about new USA ( A -stands for Africa) since sanctions against him were lifted.
If you are a real Kenyan enterprenurer then you should know that President Kibaki in his first term in office visited Libya to sign some oil deal with Gadaffi. I am not sure to remember when exactly it was but you can Google the visit and read about it. http://www.communication.go.ke/media.asp?id=405
Your posts are all about Raila and ODM but I have three questions only I would like you to answer if you can.
1. If Raila lets go the fight for injustices done to Kenyans and Retires quietly to the opposition benches, will Kenyans be satisfied?
2. If ODM accepts slots in government positions, who will be the opposition?
3. Every one is calling for peace, justice and reforms. why don’t we blame the justice and constitution minister who has held this office and not performed, leave alone condemn atrocities perpetuated on innocent wanainchi?
One day when this dark cloud hanging over our beloved country finally gives way to a new day (as it surely will); when the day comes when all Kenyans will once again live and sing and work and play and pray side by side without regard for each other’s tribe; when that day comes when the sun will once again shine and bring yet again the promise of a prosperous future for all Kenyans, a promise borne of the optimism and resilience of a great people; when that day comes, we shall once again proudly wave our flag, and marvel at the strength we never knew we had that allowed us to remain one nation during this our most trying moment. And on that day we shall not forget the painful lessons of today. On that day we shall be glad that we were able to chose brotherly love over hate. We shall be glad we vowed never again to allow our social experiment to be derailed. And we will honor those whose lives were needlessly cut short, and equally, those who led the path to healing, and who hastened the dawn of that day.
What will be said of you on that day?
Kenya is considered to be among the most peaceful countries in east Africa. Our neighbors are shocked by the turn of events especially because they always run to Kenya.
the Ruto guy should go and address his people otherwise we look at him suspiciously
Karis i support your comment, its even very weird the way Raila has appointed Ruto and doctor Koskey to lead the ODM team in negotiation with Koffi. I believe somehow Raila wants them to go and fight for themselves because they have put ODM in a very bad state. How can they have planned Kikuyu cleansing in North Riftvalley!!!
I look forward for the day when Kenya will outgrow tribalism and start focusing on the economic growth. We had started doing very well in las five years. Kenya was the fastest growing economy in Africa. What does that tell you?
Raila is really messing this country. He should have followed the law all along and everyone kept telling him that. Look at what his ODM MPs have got him into? Why did they plan murder of the Kikuyu community?
That is a very primitive move for a whole educated mheshimiwa!!!
The killers are not even worthy of being called human being leave alone leaders!!!
The children of kenya are suffering, they are confused why people are killing each other.They dont even know what tribe they belong. They keep wondering possibly they are to blame and thats why mummy and daddy had to die or possibly they deserve all this!!!…….i mourn for those innocent ones….my tears continue to race down
Hey lets not just think that slashing weeds is solving the weeds issue even if you get a chemicals and they only and it only destroys the leaves and visible parts and not the roots the problem will come up again so what we need is a permanent and durable solution.
So don’t say lets have PEACE and you are not solving the actual cause.
Most KENYAN’S know the central people as mean and dominant.
Most people who took over from settlers are the central people and now the old guards believe they are the only ones to rule my suggestion is 1st it was a guy from central then kalenjin,now it should be a luo,kamba,luhya,kisii,let the nantional cake be shared all over if not then be a president because you have been democratically elected how can you be a president with minority mps no way.
Tanzani is muungana wa kimataifa when the president comes from main land vice island lets share the national cake equally if not then KENYAN’S will fight forever
Voh:
You raise some very good points. I have never said that Kenya should not have a vibrant opposition. They should; Kibaki is not an angel and many of the people who surround him are not good people. I keep saying that this is a fight between the lesser of two evils.
I suppose my question to you is what does Raila want at this point? The violence has destroyed any legitimacy he may have had to the presidency. Forget about having a new election now. We can’t afford. Recount the ballot boxes? you think they’re even still around?
And I don’t like this idea of a prime minister. I think a 3rd world country like kenya needs a strong president.
Kibaki being the “duly elected president” has at his disposal the state mechanism to stop the violence. He needs to “dehole” from Statehouse and go stomp the 8 Provinces that are the territorial bounds that is called The Republic of Kenya and quell the storm. That is not the MPs job, the buck stops with him as the “duly elected president.” (You can’t have it both ways). Then and only then, if he can give that tour and talk to the publica and be accepted, then and only then can we remove the “duly” and let it be “eleceted president.”
KE, seriously, “Allahu Akbars”??? While that may be meant in jest, it can be taken as offensive. You can make your point as well without resorting to such gimmicks.
And I have to agree, something is definitely fishy about his chuminess with the Libyans. But then again, RO is going to seek support wherever he finds it, so I wouldn’t necessarily read too much into this. But it is definitely something to keep an eye out for.
KE;
You have become very hateful person; you lack any rationale and objectivity in your analysis. I know you are talking like this because you are not personally affected by the conflicts in Kenya. Your many years in AMERICA and lack of kenya exposture makes you an ignorant angry person. Please preach peace.
How Kenya’s election was rigged By Shashank Bengali, McClatchy Newspapers
Thu Jan 31, 6:00 AM ET
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At about 10 p.m. , Sihanya, Melli and two other observers sat down with agents of the main political parties and several commissioners and election officials. Their task was to scrutinize irregularities reported by Odinga’s camp— and there were many.
In at least 44 out of 210 constituencies, officials in Nairobi had announced vote totals without any supporting documents from the polling centers. In most places the announced totals were off by hundreds or thousands from what journalists, party agents and foreign observers had witnessed at polling places.
The team prepared to work through the night. When commission staff members brought a stack of folders, observers asked to check whether vote totals had been added correctly.
The commission’s legal officer, Jemimah Kelli , rebuffed them.
“She said, ‘We can’t correct the tallying now. The commission will take care of it,’” Sihanya recalled.
At another table, Muli was scratching her head over results from Mathira, in central Kenya , where nearly everyone voted for Kibaki. Election officers had failed to sign the tallies from nearly three dozen polling places, and one form had two different totals. Muli took out her cell phone and began adding up the numbers.
She calculated 77,442 votes for Kibaki, some 2,600 fewer than what was recorded on the final tally sheet and announced to the public. Later she discovered inflated vote totals for Kibaki in several other areas— “3,000 here, 3,000 there, 1,500 here, 2,500 there,” she said. “It added up.”
At his table, Melli saw numerous constituencies that lacked tally sheets or official signatures, but whose results had been certified anyway. In one folder, he found two tallies for the same place— one a signed original, the other an unsigned photocopy that had been altered to give Kibaki about 3,000 more votes.
The photocopied version had been used.
“It looked very ridiculous,” Melli said. But Kenyan election laws didn’t authorize observers to do anything more than note inconsistencies.
The legal officer, Kelli, moaned that officials had gone without sleep for several days, and she harassed Melli for paying too much attention to detail.
“She told Melli, ‘You seem to be very keen. Are you being paid to do this?’” Sihanya said. (They in fact were not paid.)
When Sihanya questioned inconsistencies in one Kibaki stronghold, a Kibaki party representative, Martha Karua, accused him of being an opposition agent.
“The whole thing seemed extremely stage-managed,” Melli said. “It was not a sincere verification exercise.”
As the night wore on, officials became cagier. Melli asked an official for the file from Nithi, where turnout was a suspiciously high 80 percent and nearly all the votes had gone to Kibaki. The official blanched, pulled the file close to his chest and, for the rest of the night, carried it with him everywhere he went, Melli said.
The file for Kieni in central Kenya showed 87,500 parliamentary votes— nearly 3,000 more than the number of registered voters. The file for Imenti South district, where Kibaki had 96 percent support, showed 4,315 more presidential votes than parliamentary votes but contained no supporting documents. At 5 a.m. on Dec. 30 , the file for another central district, Molo, finally appeared showing 50,145 votes for Kibaki. The chairman later announced 75,261.
“They just gave Kibaki 25,000 votes from the air,” Muli said.
Finally, at around 9 a.m. , Karua, the Kibaki aide, said the verification had to be halted so that the commissioners could get “back to work.” An Odinga aide said he had concerns about other files, but Karua and three election officials at the table stood up to leave.
One of the commissioners, Luciano Riunga Raiji, told the observers, “You are done.” Shortly afterward, a message blared over the loudspeaker ordering all observers and party agents to leave the room. By then, Melli said, it was clear that the commissioners had no intention of investigating the irregularities.
“We were waiting for them to announce the final results,” he said. “But we knew Kibaki had stolen it.”
Muli, who’s helped train commissioners for 14 years, said: “We didn’t imagine that the electoral commissioners could in a massive way influence the conduct of the election. We were wrong.”
The next several hours were surreal, the observers said. As word swept through the convention hall that Kibaki would be declared the winner, Odinga called a news conference and accused the commission of rigging the vote in 48 constituencies.
A few hours later, the opposition trotted out an election staffer, Kipkemoi Kirui, who said that officials were manipulating results at the tallying center. “My conscience could not allow me to see what I was seeing and keep quiet,” Kirui told reporters. He’s now fled the country, according to media reports.
An hour after that, the lights went off in the convention hall, and paramilitary police cleared the building. In a sealed room, the election chairman announced Kibaki’s victory on state television. Within minutes, rioters were tearing through the streets of Nairobi .
Kenya’s nightmare had begun.
(Special correspondent Munene Kilongi contributed.)
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Njoroge:
What on earth do you mean by preach peace? You think just telling people to stop is going to make them stop? At some point, Kenyans on this board need to become more practical with their analysis.
Even in Rwanda, everyone was saying preach peace, preach peace, but the violence did not end UNTIL kagame marched in there with his soldiers and violently brought those people down.
If the Kalenjin elders (and I heard one on the BBC the other night saying this was a war) have vowed to continue the fight, at some point, you just have to defeat them with arms. And once you’ve defeated them, you then have to go after the planners of the violence and either persecute them or worse.
Trying to take an academic and theoretical approach to the violence is downright childlike if you ask me. It portends an innocence and total ignorance of the brutality of what’s taking place.
But like i’ve said before, they are many other kenyan blogs that are preaching peace and offering prayers, I suggest you visit them; it’ will make your heart feel better, no matter how disconnected it is from the banalities of the real world.
Raila for one thing is that he does not have the interest of Kenya at hand, all he is thinking to himself is how he can ascend to a position of power and how does he plan to do it, to make it simple, raila sleeping with the devil is no biggie for him. But as KE said, nobody is implying that Kibaki is an angel, but it’s all about choosing the lesser evil. I don’t see how somebody in their right minds up to now would be supporting raila, when he and fellow odm goons are to blame for Kenya taking this direction. All this moron had to do is go to court and file a petition, simple as that, but this issue of him applying the constitution selectively is totally unacceptable.
KE,
You know it really annoys me when legitimate sources of news do the opposite.
I was watching this CNN Clip – I’ll post the link. Some African guy trying to be a pundit and an “expert” on kenya just yapping half truths which are passing for truth.
I hate it when people who don’t understand kenya try and analyze and give unsolicited solutions to the problem.
This guys saying Mwai Kibaki is a dictator ? surely, even Raila supporters know better. Kibaki gave kenya such democratic space that it’s coming to bite him in the ass. Leaders could say anything, vernacular radio stations could say anything in the name of “freedom of speech”
anyway, here’s the clip link :
http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WO.....nnSTCVideo
Am bored with Kikuyus supporting kibaki for being a kikuyu. Kibaki lost the ballot and this is a fact that we Kikuyus should accept and move on. Nobody killed us in 2002 when Kibaki was genuinely elected. Why do you think he is criticised today?? Because it is a common knowledge the world over, that Kibaki rigged Kenya´s votes. That is a big shame that nobody should defend (not even his own sons and daughters, let alone Kikuyus as tribe).
Raila´s anger is justified (why lie?). If Kibaki won the fair ballot, Why does he have problems on a re-run or a re-count of the ballot/elections??
He rigged and he should suffer the consequences as an individual not as a Kikuyu tribe.
Let him stop wasting time on undeserved position. He is letting his dignity down.
Shame on Nyerians
KE,
Practical way of stopping violence is not by inciting. The violence in Kenya is due to stealing of election by the Kikuyu MAFIA. kibaki is unable to stop the violence and yet he holds the state instruments because he is guilt. That is why they are using Mungiki to protect Kikuyus. Shame on you for encouraging war yet you know very well you will never go back to Kenya. Kenyans are tied of war mongers who are based abroad and they do not understand the reality on the ground.
please stop spreadind hatred among fellow kenyans. for years christians and muslims have co-existed in kenya. They (muslims) are not children of a lesser God. They too have a fundamental right to be protected. Just like you have a right to be-friend anyone. people should not be made to choose who to love and if so then things taking a turn for the worst. lets all be responsible and stop making false allegations against each other.
Njoroge (why do I think that’s not your real name
):
The statement you made above: “The violence in Kenya is due to stealing of election by the Kikuyu MAFIA” tells me everything I need to know about how you are viewing this issue and it is exactly what I am talking about when I say that Kenyans need to get off their high horses and stop pretending to be neutral on this issue.
I operate under the assumption that all adults have a brain. Now, if you hear raila say that he believes this election was stolen or if you listen to a kalenjin elder say that you should go out and kill kikuyu’s…if you act on other people’s public outbursts, then you and only you are responsible for those acts. I as a blogger, cannot be blamed for your inability to use your brain in the right way. Are you that stupid that you can’t think for yourself??
However, this blog is not spewing hate. It is simply trying to analyze the situation from the perspective of those hard core Kikuyu’s who are now advising Kibaki. I have repeated that 100 times here and people just don’t seem to get it. I am telling you, that Michuki and Co. are going to go after the PLANNERS of this violence in the rift valley and they are going to sort out this problem and it will not be pretty. It may not happen immediately, but it will happen.
Everyone here is an adult, but you are acting like children when you refuse to acknowledge the realities of who is running this country at present. Kibaki is now a dictator and he will rule the country for the next 5 years, like a dictator. Stop looking for angels in this situation. None exist.
KE,
Again your arguements exposes your ignorance. You and your Kibaki team cannot handle the truth. The Kikuyus are being sacrificed by ignorant people like you and Kikuyu Mafia. Sorry Michuki and the team cannot stop the violence!!! why have they been ? YES KIBAKI WILL RULE AS A DICTATOR FOR 5 YEARS , WHAT WILL HAPPEN AFTER THAT ? who will protect Kikuyus? I believe you will be seating well enjoying 1!!!!This shows how you don not understand what is happening on the ground. My friend you should stop acting like ANN COULTER to attract attention; BTW i am from Karima in OTHAYA !!! deal with it.
Extraordinary efforts by ordinary Kenyans…
http://www.ushahidi.com/incident.asp?id=181
KE…
I don’t mean to be mean, but your analysis of siasa is so shallow it is sad . You take so much out of context,I sometimes feel like I am listening to Rush Limbaugh or FOX news.
Here is the real deal on the Libyan special emissary, What you forgot to mention is that he met Kibaki first before meeting Raila. He did so in the capacity of Libya’s secretary on Africa Union Affairs.He also hailed the relationship between Kenya and Kibaki and looked really cosy with Kibaki at Statehouse ( see picture)
http://www.tripolipost.com/art.....038;i=1576
So is Kibaki also partying with the Libyans screaming Allah Ukbar( another ignorant statement from you)?!!
Lets have some effort with the analysis, tafadhali.
daud:
The libyan ambassador went to deliver food and medicine. A few diplomatic niecities were exchanged. Okay. Are you extrapolating from this that Kibaki’s alliance with Libya is now fully formed??
And I’ll you what I’ve told others here – I’m not forcing you to read this blog. If you don’t like the analysis, please find another blog that speaks to you and if you don’t find that, you should consider starting your own blog and inputting it with analysis you deem to be more substantive.
This blog is not here to agree with your opinions or to change it’s posts based on what you think is appropriate. It’s amazing how many people will rant and rave on other’s blogs and when I tell them to start their own blogs, they can’t even put up one post.
This is just pure raila bashing . Raila won the elections. The real problem is kibaki stealing that victory from raila and ultimately from kenyans who made a choice. I wonder if kenyans will ever vote again, like they did in the 2007 elections. If Kibaki continues with his hardline against raila and the negotitions, telling him to go to the courts , etc, does kibaki care about the common kikuyu? Kikuyus will never go back to rift valley areas like molo and eldoret and live in peace. Forget about seeing kikuyus in nyanza in places like maseno university, etc. This has nothing to do with tribes, but kibaki has made it so. his hunger and thirst for power has blindened him from following the right protocols. i am sure kibaki can declare state of emergency and remain in power indefinetely. if he does that, what can kenyans do about it, nothing as far as i am concerned. its asif he is above the law.
KE the sooner you wake upto the realities that we were fooled…… read Kikuyu’s the faster you will have peace within your self.
Obambla:
I don’t know why you are surprised by my Raila bashing. I’ve declared many times whose side I am on in this crisis. You obviously are on the other side and that’s fine, but don’t forget that not everyone is with Raila just as not everyone is with Kibaki. I honestly think the vote was very close and the country is now split 50/50. I don’t think many of Raila’s supporters have come to terms with the fact that 50% of the country is not just not on his side.
The only thing I know for sure is that Kibaki got 4 million votes and Raila got 4 million votes. Had the violence not broken out, a recount would probably have been good, but we are passed that point because Kibaki is not going to step down.
Bebo:
The reality now is that Kibaki is not going to step down. You can be believe till your last breath that you were cheated and fooled, but it will not make a difference to Kibaki; He is not stepping down.
Kenyan Enterprenurer!!!
You seem scared, ranting about how Kibaki won’t step down e.t.c it does seem to scare you, how about Lucy kibaki and your dear Jimmy hurting their own son??(hospitalized) because he asked his father to step down- because he knew his father rigged himself in. HOW ABOUT Lucy Kibaki being lock up now? insiders say she is out of control after shooting her own son- because of telling his father to step down!! They are not letting her out 24 hour watch on her!! guess where…….. how about the other MP whom we all know that Lucy Kibaki Slapped?? and he slapped her back?? he is still in Hospital in critical conditions after being beaten up seriously with Kibaki security thugs! do the Kibaki’s look as if they care about other Kikuyu’s? the same people who can harm their own blood(Son). I very much doubt it!! they are all about power!! it is The stay of power no matter how much blood pours on the streets and soil of Kenya- for all they care KENYANS from all tribes can continue slaughtering each other- but they the kibaki’s and cronies are protected.
The KIBAKI’S SIGNED A PACT WITH THE DEVIL AND THEY WILL PAY DEARLY IN THE END.
Let kikuyu’s not cheat themselves ati Kibaki cares!! START by now chatting to the kuk’s in the refugee camps!! now that they have started realizing their loses and hardship of starting all over again, they have started blaming kibaki- slum dwellers are not happy too- how long do you think they will keep on Worshiping KIbaki on empty stomachs?? isn’t it why they are being forced to take KIKUYU oaths??
the only kikuyu’s blinded by Kibaki and still support him are the kikuyu’s abroad because they have no idea of the realities on ground affecting other ordinary kikuyu’s
By the way I’m on ground in Kenya not abroad hidden behind keyboards and posting nonsense
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KE
I extrapolated on Kibaki just like you did on Raila and Libya and your Allahu Akbar comment.Unfortunately, the irony was lost to you.( see what I am talking about being a tad more critical in your analysis of stuff).
I leave you with the words of Abe Lincoln
“Better to remain silent and be thought a fool then to speak out and remove all doubt”
think about it.
KE,
We the Agikuyu did not anticipate what is happening. But what we can anticipate is that the relation we had with the rest of kenyans will not be the same. As much as we might stand by Kibaki, he is defenately not standing by us, eventualy we are the ones who will loose. Our businesses profited because of the rest of kenyans. The rest of kenyans just wanted a change and Kibaki denied them. They cannot reach him so they reach to us. A good leader puts his people before himself. Whatever vengence we think we will put in for what has happened will only put all of us in more trouble. Think…how will kenya run. Are we going to kill the rest of kenyans. They are part of what makes this great (or used to be) Nation.
I dont support Kibaki and if you are smart you will think twice about your support. We need to stand for what is right. It all boils down to what is right and wrong.
Raila was elected by the ODM to run for presidency. He did not dictate his way there. The rest of the nation wanted change and he had ideas that could work. Was he not the same man that was campaigning for Kibaki when Kibaki was injured. Now we call him names and see him as an enemy. We have made an enemy of the people by association. Our silence just makes us look like we support the wrong that was done.
I CANT STAND IT ANY MORE. I WOULD RATHER DIE FIGHTING FOR SOMETHING RIGHT THAN DIE FOR ANOTHER MANS WRONG.
Daud:
I will take that quote and apply right back to you (and again…you keep reading this blog. If you don’t like the analysis, please move on to other blogs that will provide this “critical” analysis that you are so desperately searching for (or better yet, tell us about your blog. Perhaps it provides such “critical” analysis).
I think Raila is a dangerous, reckless individual and that’s it. My opinion of him will not change no matter how many quotes you leave here. You are not going to change my mind and I am not trying to change yours or anyone else’s.
Kenyan:
Ati Lucy shot her own son and now he is in the hospital?? Where on earth did you get that story from?
Kimani
I have no problem accepting that Kikuyu and any other tribe need each other and peaciful coexistence is paramount. You seem to think that if Raila won, then Kikuyus were safe. What you are seeing now is nothing to do with the elections, but something to do with majimbo talk. Besides, what makes you think Raila was chosen by the majority? After all both Kibaki voters and kalonzo voters combined out number Railas. Regardless of who won, kikuyus were meant to be flushed out and that is what is happening. I would rather be flushed out on Kibakis watch than Railas.
KE,
I suppose if you keep repeating, long enough, half truths or twisted stories , may be you will just get some people to believe you.
I suggest you find something better to do. You are really wasting your energies. Only those with like minds will buy these stories. No one else. Get a life. Hate of Raila is wasting your life away.
Annon:
Who told you I’m trying to get you to believe it?? You have a mind of your own and you can believe whatever it is you choose to believe. In the meantime, if you don’t like the opposition to Raila on this blog, please find other blogs to read (they’re 100 million of them out there. I’m sure you’ll find one that speaks to you).
Entrepreneur:
Why do u keep telling people who disagree with you to look for other blogs…this seems like a good blog ….lets hear it, I agree some of them are pinheads !
Oginga Odinga who was smarter than raila was sturnly warned by Jomo Kenyatta and listen to what he said about vinyanganyira(I guess a swahili word for people who is “pain in the butt”) They should have learned that you cant burn hospitals. J.K would go nuts if he arose today…he was a thug but a strong leader…Kenya belongs to all kenyans.
Take a listen
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMbNE9C4PDs
The only problem some people have is they cant see facts. Kibaki wont step down, ODM is loosing popularity, Kibaki is buying time with Kiffi annan. Already one option is not on the table. The issue of presidency. Koffi annan though respected cannot contravene the constitution of the country. Wake up and see koffi is talking about the next election. Thisn one is past tense. The only thing about ODM is that theyre clever in the books but their plans seem to be falling apart. Reason: they needed someone with foresight which they lacked. Thats what makes business tick. Mass action is burning their own town. The kisumu middle and upper class are already in tears, with looters and thugs daily targeting their houses. This is the canaan that was promised. Where Looting technology will be highly marketable course, Archery with a masters in murder highly paying, and an illegitimate child was born out of this-Surgeon Mungiki.I think its a plan gone sour! In 3 years ill write a book “The ODM project Gone Sour”
You folish Kikuyu’s- our people are stuck in refugee camps and yet kibaki is protecting Moi who stole billions and he has refused help from Britian to get all those billions back!! my question to you is Why??
1. Is this why Moi endorsed & supported him in the elections (Mafia god father)
2. do you think that Kibaki and his cronies when the share the loot with Moi you will get some of it??(maybe in your kikuyu dreams)
3. why do you follow blindly when there are only a few Kikuyu’s who are rich and plan to remain rich and eat the national cake alone without sharing??
4; Fools are people who follow blindly and neve make it in life- I guess you have always followed blindly?? what does it say of some of you?
then you are fed with propaganda and that is what you wake up with and sleep with? I sincerely pity you all!!
even if it was not Raila standing for Presidency- if it was any other Kenyan from a different tribe!! Kibaki and his cronies were still going to rig!! LOOK AT THE MANY INVOLVED TO SHARE WITH MOI!! BILLIONS!! THAT IS WHY THEY WON’T LET EVEN BRITIAN NEAR IT!!!FOOLS………………………………..i’M PROUD TO BE AN ENLIGHTEND KIKUYU- I WILL NEVER EVER FOLLOW A LEADER BLINDLY.
The Foreign Office launched an attack last night on the Kenyan government over its handling of the corruption investigation into the Moi regime, reported yesterday by the Guardian. It also emerged yesterday that many other members of the Kenyan establishment are suspected of corruption involving a total of more than £1bn. In a sharply worded response to the report on the Kroll inquiry into theft by the Moi regime, the Foreign Office – also speaking for the Treasury – said it was “very surprised” to read the claim by Alfred Mutua, the Nairobi government’s spokesman, that the British government had been asked for help – but “so far they have refused”.
The Foreign Office said: “That is incorrect. We stand ready to assist Kenya with any asset recovery, as we have done successfully with Nigeria. But the Kenyans have not requested assistance despite our offer. Nor have they provided the information we would need to comply with any such request. Last year, when Lord Goldsmith [then attorney general] was in Kenya with Kenya’s assistant minister of foreign affairs, Danson Mungatana, they confirmed publicly that we had offered this assistance.” British officials in Kenya have also been in contact with the government of Mwai Kibaki to “clarify” the accusation that Britain had refused to help. Britain has led donor countries in calling for the prosecution of corrupt politicians, and Sir Edward Clay, the previous high commissioner in Nairobi, famously accused the government of “vomiting on the shoes” of donor countries by failing to stem corruption.
Although the leaked report focuses on Daniel arap Moi’s sons and two close allies, it also mentions several sitting MPs, including at least one current cabinet minister, as well as officials close to President Kibaki. Kroll is also understood to have investigated about 17 other people with ties to the former president, but these reports have yet to be made public.
It also emerged yesterday that in 2004, Kenyan anti-corruption officials were near to freezing an offshore account with $300m (about £149m) of looted money in it but were thwarted when the cash was moved after a tip-off from within Kenya.
The document lists properties in Britain, including a luxury flat in Lowndes Square in Knightsbridge and houses in Surrey supposedly purchased by the Mois or their associates.
The Kenyan government has begun a damage limitation operation over the publication of the 110-page dossier on corruption compiled by the international risk consultant Kroll in 2004 but never published until the website Wikileaks released it this week.
“There is enough information now to blow not just the Mois but most of the Kenyan establishment out of the water,” Sir Edward said last night. “The scale and type of the money-laundering is what we were given to understand existed during the time I was in Kenya.”
As to who leaked the document, Sir Edward said: “The motives for leaking this are probably complex but I suppose have something to do with reminding Mr Moi that his support for the president is quite important because here is the reminder that they have the dirt on him.”
Dear KE,
Thankyou for highlighting the facts which I think most Kenyans are refusing to believe due to ignorance. I recently read on some US anti-terror website about facts on why Raila has been signing MOU with die hard Islamic fanatical Imams and the facts are indeed alarming. To most Kenyans, Islamic Sharia Law means nothing until it comes in shape as a brutal reality. Raila is being backed by die hard Muslims, and this is a true fact. Take a look at his advisor, Salim Lone, a Pakistani. A thorough check into his past history will tell you he was put into jail and deported for inciting through his journalism an uprising in Coastal areas for Islamic Party of Kenya whose main aim was to put in place a separate Islamic state of Coastal areas of Kenya.
We as Kenyans need to question the Constitution that ODM keep talking of. It is in fact an agreement between the Imams and ODM Raila to bring in Sharia Laws from the dark ages of 7th century Saudi Arabia and have it imposed upon an 85% Christian Kenya.
Another blog which has gone into all the facts is here:
http://caosblog.com/7071
Another such website goes into great details on the Constitution that ODM are so much advocating is this one:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.....m-and.html
And also this article on how Muslims of Kenya are pushing for Jihadi Sharia Laws:
http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhim.....007916.php
I suggest take a good look at all the facts on Obama and his link with Odinga.
The last thing Kenya needs is to appease Islamic terrorists who are hell bent on establishing a Dar-Ul-Islam of Kenya and imposing their primitive laws upon us. Under Sharia Laws, a non Muslim Govt will be unable to deport any Islamic Jihadi terrorist out of Kenya and will have to depend on trial through kangaroo courts of some Mullah run Madarassa where terrorists will run scot free since in Islam anyone fighting for the cult itself is heralded a martyr and arresting such ‘martyrs’ is against Islam itself.
FACTS:::: KIBAKI SIGNED AN MOU WITH THE KENYAN MUSLIMS DURING THE 2002 ELECTION !!FACT
So for 5 years KIBAKI HAS BEEN DEALING WITH hard Islamic fanatical Imams IN KENYA this facts are indeed alarming. To most Kenyans, Islamic Sharia Law means nothing until it comes in shape as a brutal reality. KIBAKI WAS backed by die hard Muslims, and this is a true fact.
SO I GUESS KENYANS HAVE HAD 5 YEARS OF KIBAKI’S PRESEIDENCY AFTER HE SIGNED AN MOU WITH THE KENYAN DIE HARD MUSLIMS=
CHECK YOUR FACTS FIRST BEFORE YOU START POINTING FINGERS- EXPLAIN TO ME WHY KIBAKI SIGNED AN MOU IN 2002 WITH THIS SAME DIE HARD MUSLIMS?? OR YOU WERE NOT AWARE??
OR IS IT PNU THAT PRETENDS TO FORGET THIS FACTS??
AND WHY DO YOU THINK THIS TIME THEY REFUSED TO SIGN AN MOU WITH KIBAKI?? IS IT BECAUSE HE WAS HANDING OVER THERE SONS TO THE AMERICAN WITHOUT ANY TRAILS OR LAWYERS PRESENT LIKE IT WAS REPORTED?? and they refused to vote for him??
What changed after he signed the MOU with them in 2002 as the NARC presidential Candidate?? my advice is go Look KIBAKI IN THE EYES AND ASK HIM why he signed an MOU with DIE HARD MUSLIMS in 2002????????????????????????????????????????
The truth behind Moi’s “strained back and hospitalization”
Retired President Daniel arap Moi fell in the corridors of Statehouse and strained his back leading to his hospitalisation at the Nairobi Hospital, we can now reveal. What is shocking is the events and mystery surrounding the sudden requirement for hospitalization by the former strongman who ruled Kenya with an iron fist for an uninterrupted 24 years.
Mr Moi, who served as bandit president Kibaki’s point man in the vote-rich Rift Valley province suffered a major setback when, upon successfully staging a civilian coup, the MP for Othaya was to have a tete-a-tete with him. You guessed right! Serial Slapper Lucifer Kibaki upon noticing Mr Moi went to him with her charactersitic infuriation hurling unprintables and attempting, in an utter show of disrespect, to spank the retired president.
It is whispered that Moi who has never known anybody to stand up to him smelled blood and decided to duck but he was not lucky. “Mzee turned quickly, miscued his steps and fell back so fast that his security details could not cushion him since they were busy shielding the marauding first lady from reaching him”, said our reliable source who sought not to be revealed owing to the sensitivity of this matter. It was the thud of his fall that strained his back, but luckily Moi was unhurt. Moi was hospitalized at Nairobi hospital, treated for shock and the backache and the events surrounding the complications had been well kept until it was alleged that Lucifer bragged about it.
Our source says Lucifer was upset that Gitobu Imanyara was telling the whole world about their altercation in the hallowed corridors of power “na yure Mnandi Moi hanja sema kitu kuhusu kuaguka niripotaka kumuchapa”, she was reported to have bragged. It is reported that bandit president Kibaki was shocked beyond words by this irreverent attitude by his obviously psychotic wife. Lucy has since been tethered to restricted areas in SH.
It will be remembered that in his half century of politics, Moi was never seriously ill and not many people remember the last time he was hospitalized except when in the 1990s he had to go public to dispell rumours that he was dead. The 83 year-old Moi is an energetic man. Lucifer seems to have demystified her and we can now reveal that just like in the Gitobu Imanyara case, a lot of cajoling and threatening has gone into muzzling the Moi slapping episode. Our source believes that Lucifer actually shot and wounded her son Jimmy, who was then kept incommunicado, which explains why upon reappearing in public last week to deny that his mother shot him, he actually looked overwheight. The weight was gained while he was being fed on his sick bed.
In another twist, the dreaded Nchuri Ncheke council of the temperamental Ameru has threatened to curse the Kibaki clan unless they provide a goat. It is said that they demanded that the bandit first family take the goat themselves and not through emissaries as a sign of humility. They had wanted the goat delivered immediately but are understood to have changed their appointment due to the Annan mediation. This follows Imanyara’s sensational charge that Lucy assaulted and insulted him at State House. The story is so popular that cartoonists are taking it a notch higher.
Among the Ameru of Kenya, folklore asserts that to suffer as much as a finger wagging from a woman should consign a man to long periods of shame and embarrassment that can only be cleansed by a befitting sacrifice to the council of elders – the Nchuri Ncheke. This cleansing is required for Imanyara, the sacrifice must be provided by the bandit family or they face the last strike, the dreaded curse before the elders.
The Nchuri Ncheke, an assembly largely comprising of snuff-sniffing, muratina-inebriated and green-teethed miraa addicts has smelt blood. Perhaps because it is largely a Kangaroo court that exists to profit from vestigial cultural rules and regulations, many threatened with natural extinction, it can sometimes be rabid in its stipulation of penalties and enforcement. It has reportedly summoned the MP for an “explanation” on just what happened.
“”"”WHO ARE THIS KENYANS KILLED AND DUMPED WITHOUT BEING IDENTIFIED???THIS IS ONLY THE TIME IN KENYA (UNDER KIBAKI’S WATCH) WHERE KENYANS ARE MURDERED AND NOT EVEN THE POLICE BOTHER TO INVESTIGATE!! THE STATE KILLED THEM(KIBAKI) HE SHOULD GO BACK TO OTHAYA AND FACE THE SAME FATE!!!!
Villagers keep off forest due to frequent dumping of bodies
Story by JOHN NJAGI
Publication Date: 2/7/2008
Tagwa villagers are afraid, indeed very afraid. Their Ngonde forest neighbourhood in Nyeri North District has become the dumping ground of bodies by as yet unidentified killers.
Jane Wangari of Tagwa village in Nyeri near Ngonde forest points at the spot where bodies are often dumped. Photo/PAUL WANJIRU
Although the forest is of huge benefit to the neighbouring communities, the villagers rarely venture into it these days due to the frequent dumping of bodies.
They regard dumping spots in forest as “fields of death”.
The residents say they have been avoiding the forest like a plague ever since the charred remains of a man were found, about five metres from the edge of the forest, in November last year.
Since then, 11 other male bodies have been found at various spots in the forest, having been burnt beyond recognition.
The villagers blame the Government for failing to get to the bottom of the deaths.
The police, they say, have made it a routine to collect the bodies and not investigate the killings.
Expedite investigations
“We are living in fear because we neither know where the bodies come from nor who the victims are,” says Ms Jane Wangari.
Tagwa village borders the forest and is separated by a tarmac road that leads to Sagana State Lodge.
The residents want the Government to launch and expedite investigations and bring the culprits to book. It’s the only way to end their fear, they say.
According to 58-year-old Wangari, the bodies are burnt using a highly flammable liquid and a tyre.
“Last week, we found three bodies. This is the highest number so far discovered in a single week. We are terrified of venturing into the forest despite the fact that it is of huge economic importance to us,” she states.
She said it appears the victims’ hands and legs are tied with ropes before they are burnt. A jerrican used to carry petrol and tyre remains are normally found at the scenes.
Ms Wangari, who is a farmer, told the Nation that every time the residents find a body, a report is usually made to the nearby Kiganjo Police Station and the officers respond by picking up the body.
The residents say the police initially were hesitant to collect the bodies but were now responding promptly.
“The first time we made a report, it took up to four days by which the body had decomposed,” says Mugambi Kiama.
People avoid venturing into the forest because they fear that the killers may be residing in the forest.
Mr Kiama says that even though no one from the area had been reported missing, there was apprehension among the residents that one of them could be next on the executioners’ list.
Ms Wangari says women who usually fetch firewood in the forest are the most traumatised by the killings.
“Everyone is fearful of being accosted by the ghosts (of the dead) seeking to avenge,” she says.
Horrifying moment
The mother of six, whose 30 cows graze in the forest on a daily basis, says she at times is too scared to fetch and the animals spend the night in the forest. This happens whenever the men in her household are late in driving them home.
“About 300 head of cattle graze in the forest but not beyond 4pm because it is believed that is when the enemy could be laying in wait for victims,” says Ms Wangari, her sentiments clearly informed by fear.
Her long-time friend and neighbour, Ms Mercy Njeri, says the most horrifying moment for her was when she found a body still burning in the morning as she went to fetch fire wood.
The 60-year-old grandmother’s experience of the last three months have filled her mind with horror.
She urges the provincial administration and the police to carry out thorough investigations to end the killings.
Ms Njeri is optimistic that with the coming closer of the provincial administration, measures will be put in place to apprehend the culprits.
The area is under the newly-created Nyeri North District which was hived off the larger Nyeri District. The headquarters is Chaka Town.
The district was created in January last year alongside Nyeri South District as President Kibaki implemented the split of several expansive districts in Central Kenya.
Security meetings
District commissioner Francis Komen, says he has organised security meetings with area residents to map out strategies of dealing with the situation since the police cannot be on the ground all the time to monitor the area.
According to Mr Komen the residents are expected to keep an eye on suspicious vehicles plying the route at odd hours and furnish authorities with such information.
“With the necessary induction, the residents will be able to monitor any suspicious activities and report the matter immediately to the authorities,” he says.
The concept of community policing, DC says, will be handy in dealing with the situation. It is the best strategy of getting to the bottom of what looks like a well coordinated murder syndicate, he states.
The bodies, he says, are usually dumped at two-week intervals but is shocked after the discovery of three bodies in a week.
Identities of victims
Nyeri head of police Sebastian Kirunya says his office has been unable to establish the identities of the victims since their fingerprints are usually destroyed by fire.
Carrying out DNA tests on the bodies, he says, could help in identification but this option is expensive as it is usually undertaken in South Africa when the state is under intense pressure to reveal the identity of a dead person.
“We have no choice but to pick up the bodies which are eventually disposed of as there are usually no claims to compel the State to pursue other options,” he says.
Police patrols, Mr Kirunya says, have been increased in the area to crack the murder syndicate.
He says initial investigations indicate that the individuals are killed elsewhere and their bodies dumped in the forest at night.
Kenyan,
After going through your irrational outbursts, I am now of the solid opinion, that you are on dope….
NATION NEWSPAPER BACK AT ITS GAME OF REPORTING DOUBLE AGED DANGEROUS STORIES TO KENYAN- CHECK HOW THEY REPORTED THE DIPLOMATIC WAR BETWEEN THE MARTHA KARUA THUG AND OTHER RESPECTIVE DIPLOMATICS !!
MY FELLOW KENYANS DO NOT BUY THE NATION!! ONE CAN SEE WHAT THEY ARE TRYING TO DO WITH THEIR REPORTING WHILE COVERING UP FACTS-
READ ON SEE WHO RUNS IT?? KIKUYU MAFIA ALIGNED TO KIBAKI AND HIS CRONIES!!!DO NOT BUY NATION NEWSPAPER !!
Gitahi has never hidden his deliberate and systematic intentions to ensure only news content that was music to President Kibaki’s inner circles was churned out by NMG products since he arrived in Nation Centre slightly over a year ago.
He often turned up in the meetings to ensure President Kibaki got better coverage over his rivals Raila Odinga of ODM and Kalonzo Musyoka of ODM-K.
However, Gitahi’s camp carried the day in pushing its agenda for President Kibaki. NMG’s Editorial Department, and most other departments within the group, suffers from imbalance in key appointments. Key posts within the Editorial Department are headed by the Gema.
Look at this: Editorial Director – Wangethi Mwangi (Murang’a), Managing Editor (Daily Nation) – Bernard Nderitu ( Kiambu), Managing Editor, (Sunday Nation) – Mutuma Mathiu (Meru), Managing Editor (Business Daily) – Nick Wachira (Nyeri), Managing Editor (Daily Metro) – Julius Maina (Central province) and Managing Editor (Taifa) – Wainaina Kiganya (Kangemi). NMG’s only publication not headed by GEMA is The EastAfrican. With a strong tribal army like this behind him, Gitahi’s wishes flooded NMG publications.
The consequences are clear – the Circulation Department has been reporting a marked drastic drop in sales of newspapers. Daily Nation’s rival, the Standard, has taken advantage in the tribal infighting within NMG and gained a big market share in Nairobi, Rift Valley, Coast, Nyanza and Western provinces. Readers predominantly ODM regions prefer buying the Standard rather than the Daily Nation.
The worst manipulation of news by the Gitahi-Wangethi axis has taken a dangerous precedent in the post-election period. Gitahi and Wangethi have taken it upon themselves to go through stories before they are published to ensure President Kibaki’s interests were taken care off. We have seen a deliberate and shameless campaign to misinform the public by doctoring the real truth on the ground or the number of ODM supporters and other innocent people shot dead by the police.
SHAME SHAME NATION NEWSPAPER- WHO EVER SAID A LEOPARD CAN CHANGE SPOTS MUST OVER NIGHT HAVE BEEN ……
DO NOT BUY NATION- THEY HAVE A KIBAKI & MARTHA KARUA AGENDA!!
KenyanGuyon 14 Feb 2008 at 6:29 am
Kenyan,
After going through your irrational outbursts, I am now of the solid opinion, that you are on dope….
Thanks -Join the club-don’t we are always together doping!!!lets admit to the world
Kenyan
What problem do you have on appointments in a provate company?If you have a problem form your own company and appoint all your relatives and see whether it will be as big as nation. They are there because they are good at their job. They only happen to be from GEMA areas. Start a Kamatusa paper or ODM newspaper. I wish you would look at the standard workforce, they also have as ignificant Gema outfit. Wacha propaganda. By the way Nation is owned mainly by Agha Khan, who is not in gema. He just happens to know who are the best people to work with when it comes to business. And has he succeeded?
Be a real man and think for yourself, we dont encourage Kamatusa, Gema, ODm or PNU brains here. We encourage rational thinkers who can reason!
Wrong so even the top jobs in the Kibaki government are only given to kikuyu’s because they have more brains than other tribes?? wrong
They are there to loot the country dry-Government has shares in Nation-please do your homework next time ahead of sounding foolish
this is why cases like Anglo Leasing Happen!!!Kenyan people have had enough of you looters!! You steal from Kenyans and get a free ride- then you claim that you are hard working= ofcourse harding with stolen loot from government coffers!!
I copied this from another Blog?? now you are threatening your own tribes man?? How sick can people get????
RUMOUR RUMOURS! ABLAZE!!
The hardliners have threatened KIBAKI ati if he he agrees on the coalition government that they will finish his immediate family- this poor guy before this he wanted to step down when he knew he had not won the elections but the hardliners insisted!
Can someone close to kibaki tell him from the KENYAN PEOPLE -THE MESSAGE IS IF HE HE DOES THE RIGHT THING Kenyans will forgive him and will be 100% behind him!! Kenyans will make sure his family is protected!! Kenyans are not blood thirsty like his hardliner friends-
Kenyans want to rebuild the country!!
The hardliners we know and we will deal with them accordingly!!
TELL KIBAKI TO HAVE NO FEAR TO STAND LIKE A MAN, A FATHER AND A GRAND-FATHER AND STAND UP FOR THE TRUTH THIS TIME- and those who are threatening his family- your days are numbered
9:30 AM
Anonymous Anonymous said…
Kenyan
I think youre in the wrong blog. I recommend Mambogani.com. Thats where propaganda and wishful thinking prevails. Every side has hardliners. Why are you not talking about what ruto, raila koech and the like threaten. Get lost, youre the kind that stirred up the ethnic cleansing without thinking whether what youre saying is cirrect. As a matter of fact, Kenya has a president. FYI he is so powerful, constitutionally that ODM know that their onkly hope is Annan. If he suceeds they suceed. If he fails, theyre condemned to hell. All i want is peace, Go and talk to your Kalenmjin worriors about being bloodthirsty, and Mungiki alike. Secondly you are not Kenya. You cant say WE WILL FORGIVE HIM. For what ? Every kenyan has a freedom to express themselves, and your right thing may not be the other persons right thing. My right thing could be Kibaki going full term, and that i what i would want, but i am not Kenya. We dont need comments from other blogs here! If you think Kibaki is not standing like a man, then ask yourself why he has clearly said that his presidency is not negotianle. Secondly if any act of parliament has to become Law, he has to sign to accent it to becopme law. He is the man to watch. Not even annan is as powerful as kibaki at the moment. Ask Moi, he knows the present constitution like the palm of his hand. Have facts sir, you could be a dreamer, like the ODMers.
Kenyan
I think youre in the wrong blog. I recommend Mambogani.com. Thats where propaganda and wishful thinking prevails. Every side has hardliners. Why are you not talking about what ruto, raila koech and the like threaten. Get lost, youre the kind that stirred up the ethnic cleansing without thinking whether what youre saying is cirrect. As a matter of fact, Kenya has a president. FYI he is so powerful, constitutionally that ODM know that their onkly hope is Annan. If he suceeds they suceed. If he fails, theyre condemned to hell. All i want is peace, Go and talk to your Kalenmjin worriors about being bloodthirsty, and Mungiki alike. Secondly you are not Kenya. You cant say WE WILL FORGIVE HIM. For what ? Every kenyan has a freedom to express themselves, and your right thing may not be the other persons right thing. My right thing could be Kibaki going full term, and that i what i would want, but i am not Kenya. We dont need comments from other blogs here! If you think Kibaki is not standing like a man, then ask yourself why he has clearly said that his presidency is not negotianle. Secondly if any act of parliament has to become Law, he has to sign to accent it to becopme law. He is the man to watch. Not even annan is as powerful as kibaki at the moment. Ask Moi, he knows the present constitution like the palm of his hand. Have facts sir, you could be a dreamer, like the ODMers.
THIS IS A USELESS, PNU SUPPORTER,A KIKUYU THAT WE ARE LOOKING TO KILL.YOU KIKUYUSB WILL NEVER LIVE IN PEACE NOW AND FOREVER.FOR THIS I DARE YOU!!!!
# Leoeddon I think you are the one dreaming- and if truly think Kibaki is that powerful:):) more than Koffi Annan who has the baking of all the super powers in the world- then I think you must be a very young naive person who has no idea the workings of the Globalized world of today!! please take time go study some GLOBALIZATION AND INTERNATIONAL RELATIONS IN THE TODAY WORLD!! before you embarrass yourself more on this blog or to the outside world. my twelve years old niece who is stuck at home for fear that kenya can blow up anytime- can give a better answer than KIBAKI IS MORE POWERFUL THAN ANNAN= SUCH HORSE SHIT!! now some brief education!!
NOBODY IS MORE POWERFUL IN KENYA THAN THE KENYAN PEOPLE THEMSELVES= NO ONE INDIVIDUAL OWNS KENYA OR HOLDS THE POWERS OF THE KENYAN PEOPLE!! YOU CAN NOT GOVERN PEOPLE THAT DO NOT RESPECT YOU TO GOVERN THEM- Kibaki has no powers!!
Kenyans have agreed to give Kibaki and Raila some time to negotiate power-sharing to form a coalition government and if they can’t !! they will be both on there asses out – and the rightful president of Kenya who won the elections with a wide majority HIS EXELLENCY PRESIDENT RAILA ODINGA WILL RE-ENSTATED AND WILL LEAD KENYANS OUT OF THIS UNPLEASANT TIMES!!
KIKUYU’S CAN EITHER JOIN THE REST OF THE KENYANS FROM ALL OTHER PROVINCES OR THEY CAN HAVE THIER OWN CENTRAL ISLAND OF THE KIKUYU WITH THE MUNGIKI’S POLICING THEM!!
AS THE SAYING GOES!! YOU ARE EITHER WITH THE REST OF KENYANS OR YOU ARE NOT-
the rest of kenya will definitely not miss you if you decide otherwise – but for now KENYANS WILL NOT ALLOW KIBAKI AND HIS CRONIES TO STEAL NOT EVEN 1 MORE CENT!! AND WHAT THEY HAD STOLEN BEFORE AND WHAT MOI SHARED WITH THEM SO THAT THEY DON’T TAKE HIM TO COURT!! MOST OF IT IS BEING frozen AS WE SPEAK- i WONDER HOW THEY WILL BE FUNDING THIER MUNGIKI’S NOW!
ARE YOU ONE OF THE MUNGIKI MEMBERS?? I READ AN INTERVIEW WITH ONE OF THE LEADERS- HE CLAIMED THAT THERE ARE AT LEAST 2.8MILLION MUNGIKI’S REGISTERED IN KENYA AND ABROAD WHO SUPPORT IT ‘S MUDERING CAUSES IN KENYA!! RECIECE PLENTY OF MONEY FROM THE DESPORIAH -INFACT THEY SPONSERED SOME TO PALIAMENT-
this BLOG LOOKS LIKE A MUNGIKI BLOG- BECAUSE IT ENCOURAGES MURDERS!! I WILL INFORM SOME “INFORMERS UKO USA TO CHECK INTO IT- I’m SURE ANY GOVERNMENT ABROAD WOULD NOT LIKE A MUNGIKI MEMBER IN THERE COUNTRIES( MUNGIKI’S ARE TERRORISTS)
Kenyan.
Kenyan problems have never been solved by outsiders, the constitution has always ensured that the solutions must be from within. Kibaki is powerful, and he is protected by the Constitution, call me a mungiki if you want, Why then do you visit this bloy. I recommend Mambogani.com, where other peoples opinions dont matter of they dont think like ODM. I dont care about stolen funds, thats fine with me, i want crooks sent to jail, i think youre lost on some issues. Kenyans have bnot agreed on anything. Youre very lost on this. Put a referendum and then kenyans will decide. Kenyan comstitution empowers parliament as the supreme law making body. This is where power lies at the moment. Nothing can pass without parliament approval. You need to uderstand kenyan constitution more.
I beg to differ with joining the rest of kenya. I have an opinion and i dont think like sheep, neither do i expect everyone to think like me. If youre like everyone, then you lost something on your way up. Thats why even though Kikuyus were marginalised by the Moi government, they did well and should do better, if they dont think like their tribe, or agree to be herded by people with inferiority complex than you.
Kenyan
I think u r suffering from intellectual damages inflicted by the ODM euphoria…i don see e nid why u shud b critisizin NMG….look at many companies and get that e GEMA r e majority of the Adminisphere..why?…coz they are business minded na hawana unnecessary Domos. just ask uaself this…Why does it happen that Luo’s gat the largest number of Proffessors and highly educated fellows yet they foolishly follow Raila’s advice? i may sound tribalistic,but its e reality. secondly i don see any reason why Kibaki shud ask for 4giveness…from who?…if ne’thin the ODMers shud. Kibaki cannot step down…he’s a total man(undergone e cut too)….
kenyan
“The truth behind Moi’s “strained back and hospitalization”
that article was a copy-paste from Kumekucha…..is e guy ua rela ama wat?….recently he has gone bankrupt of ideas…i think e same is happenin 2yu. it seems lack of ideas is contagious within ODM guys…may God help you
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# joeemgeeon 21 Feb 2008 at 4:58 am
# Leoeddon 21 Feb 2008 at 2:53 am
Kenyan.
THE ABOVE PNU FELLOWS ARE NOW SHITTING IN THEIR PANTS BECAUSE THEY CAN’T IMAGINE A COALITION POWER SHARING GOVERNMENT!! DID I SAY EQUAL POWERS BETWEEN THE PRIME MINISTER AND THE PRESIDENT???
NO IMMUNITY FOR THE BLOOD SUCKING MUNGIKI MURDERER’S !!!!
KENYANS ARE WAITING TO SEND SOME OF THIS PNU MEMBERS TO KAMITI PRISON AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!!!
KENYANS PALY BY THE RULE OF LAW!!THEY DON NOT EXECUTE CRIMINALS WITHOUT TRIAL LIKE KIBAKI AND MICHUKI WHEN THE SLAUGHTERED LIKE CHICKEN OVER 50 MUNGIKI MEMBERS LAST YEAR AND SOME OF YOU GLOATING ABOUT IT AND HAPPY- MARK MY WORD THIS TIME WHEN MUNGIKI COMES FOR THE KIKUYU ELITE AND THEIR FAMILIES- IT WILL BE LIKE HEROSHIMA!!! THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT TO PICK!! MARK MY WORD I HEAR FROM SOURCES THEY PLAN REVENGE!!
Kenya: The truth about the Naivasha killings
February 10, 2008 03:16 PM
As the repercussions of inter-tribal clashes dawn upon Kenyans, more light is being shed on how they were planned and executed. One of the worst revenge attacks which left dozens dead or maimed, was experienced in Naivasha town in the Rift Valley. Using eyewitness accounts from survivors, Odhiambo T. Oketch reports about the horror faced by victimized residents before and after the attacks.
I have been to Naivasha on two occasions to help
evacuate some of my relatives who were victims of the violence that took place in Naivasha.
The first time, we did not get the gory details of what took place, and I bet, the press is afraid of bringing some of these planned murders and killings in Naivasha to the fore.
We must have the courage to face the truth and confront the same, then talk of the healing process. If we sweep this under the rug, we are doing nothing.
Politicians and administrative officers involved
The Naivasha Massacre was planned in complicity with government agencies. The police were informed, and they only brought officers who were not armed to confront the murderous Mungiki (banned militia) team.
The DC (District Commissioner) was in the picture, as some of the politicians who had lost in the recent general elections. They were well coordinated by donations from some current cabinet ministers and the pangas (machetes) that they used were bought at the Shamba Hardware store in Naivasha town.
When the Mungiki were to strike on the January 27, 2008, the prison warders came out and thwarted all their moves. They retreated so that orders could be made to bar the prison warders from coming out in support of non-Kikuyus who were the target.
When they struck the second time, they were under police escort, and they specifically killed Luos, in a systematic way. They torched their houses and chased them like rats in town.
When the Luo organized themselves to hit back, the police shot at the them instead. This went on for three days. Within this time, the Mungiki murderers were housed at LakeSide and Silver Hotels.
They used to come to town at 6:00 am, reign terror until 6:00 pm when they retreated to their hotels to brief their paymasters, chief among them former and current MPs.
The Naivasha Massacre of the Luos was well planned in a meeting attended by politicians like Uhuru Kenyatta and Jayne Kihara among others, and top businessmen such as Chris Kirubi, Jimna Mbaru, and George Muhoho.
They were annoyed that it is the Luo who had made things elephant for them. They hence came up with a plan that hitting at the Luo would be the best thing. They did not look at the fact that it is the Kalenjin who removed them mostly from the Rift Valley. They thought that it was the Luo who had made the Kalenjin do that.
Biased Red Cross and Mungiki paymasters
The Kenya Red Cross Society that has been acclaimed as one of the best relief support agencies, did not come to the aid of the internally displaced persons (IDPs) at Naivasha Prisons for a whole 3 days, yet, they were in Burnt Forest and Eldoret within hours of the fracas breaking out.
It came out that the Red Cross, just like the government, was partisan in addressing the problems. In the case of Naivasha, the Red Cross and the government were looking at it as a Luo affair, not a Kenyan affair.
This partisan approach to the massacre has exposed the Red Cross as a dishonest agency.
When the Mungiki youths went to Kabati cemetery for oath-taking, the police were very much in the picture. When they ransacked Kabati Estate, the police looked helpless. When the people ran to Naivasha Prisons for safety, the police moved in on the road, armed and ready to shoot at anyone who dared come out of the prison.
I reckon they should have been engaging the Mungiki so that they could save non-Kikuyu property, but they only escorted them on the macabre mission.
The world must know the truth. And it is this truth that will set us free.
Why were Kikuyus hell bent on eliminating Luos from Naivasha, when it is a known fact that Luos never killed any kikuyu in Nyanza at the beginning of the evictions?
Why were Kikuyus in Naivasha cheering and telling Luos that they wanted Majimbo (regionalism), yet now had to be evicted?
Why were the police under instructions to safeguard Mungiki, and to shoot to kill at any show of resistance, people who stood helpless as their houses were being burnt and their people killed as they watched?
It is time to make clear distinctions; those who shout loudest about crimes against humanity, are the main paymasters of the murderous Mungiki sect.
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That evening when the church went up in flames i was a few kilometres away and as the dark smoke covered the sky i she a tear. Poor mothers and children they were not guilty.