Ruto & The Wapi (?) Report
It looks like we have a problem. William Ruto’s name keeps popping up all over the place whenever these independent commissions are formed to find out who was behind the planning of the violence. At some point, this guy is going to start running out of excuses. He (along with his Kalenjin brethren) were involved in the pre-planning of the post election violence and Raila Odinga, who is now trying to separate himself from these people, knew what these guys were up to.
I understand that Kibaki has reversed his previous speech which called for a blanket amnesty of the planners of this violence. This is a good thing because you cannot provide amnesty to organized ethnic killing that has been taking place for 15 years. Kibaki’s closest advisors (& Raila is not one of them), will not allow him to do this.
I keep telling you people that this Kalenjin frankenstein, which was created by Moi and Biwott in 1992, has to be dealt with once and for all and Kibaki has to do it before he leaves office in 2012. He (Kibaki) is working on it, albeit slowly: they are reorganizing the security services, but this exercise will take time. They also have Kalonzo in place to take over in 2012 after the “election” (emphasis on the quotation marks around the word election).
I stopped paying attention to Raila Odinga when it came to this issue. He is really a non-entity. This “war” is between the Kalenjins– who amassed power over the course of 24 years and the Kikuyu, who have the power now and who are determined to purge that power from the Kalenjins. It’s really as simple as that.
Now, I know the Luo’s are going to come here and start talking about democracy and justice and….can you hear? haki yetu! ha.ki.ko.ko..cough. brrrrr 
awwww.
No. “Haki yetu” will have to wait until the government eliminates this rift valley frankenstein.
What else?
Ah yes. Why did Tsavangiri listen to Odinga? Didn’t we not warn him on this blog not to become a senior member of the {southern fried chicken version} of the grand coalition illusion? Looks like the “coat-me-with-an-illusion” government in Zimbabwe is already falling apart.
There’s no such thing as power sharing. Not in Zimbabwe, not in Kenya and never in Africa.
KE,
We all Know the inevitable impending ODM fall out…..But whats the worst case scenario if these RV shmucks are frog matched to justice either in Kenya or Holland? Will RV burn again?…..
If we Kenyans are afraid to touch certain people because “there will be an explosion” we are only deluding ourselves. In any case, what will be the difference between arresting these people and provoking violence and NOT arresting them and waiting for them to unleash violence again. Some of those names have appeared in every report on ethnic clashes since 1992. A few even before that. We just have to take the bull by the horns even if it means getting some bruises in the process. Otherwise, what will we do when one of these genocidaires becomes president?
Well, Ruto’s name had to pop up, and it’s not because he was involved in any violence but rather for his outspokeness, his firm stand on various issues and his ardent support for his party. You can call us the kalenjin frankenstein, but atleast you acknowledge where it all began (read Moi), of late an enthusiastic supporter of Kibaki; No wonder the old man has become an amnesty fan “he would not want to touch his ‘buddy’”.
Back to matters ‘mkononi’, just because Ruto was the most vocal of ODM members does not make him guilty of the crimes committed by his….what did you call us? KALENJIN FRANKENSTEIN or was it SHCMUCKS, if that is the case we can also attribute the crimes commited by PNU supporters to Karua.
But anyway dudes when you constantly keep demeaning a people by calling them names,talking down to them, and viewing them as third rate humans thinking they dont have balls, you poison their minds. And then, you steal their mandate, that poison engulfs’ them and they rise against your bigotry.
PS. Hate breeds more hate, we can choose to start a vicious and vengeful cycle like the one Moi cultivated, a hatred that eventually came back hound him in 2002 and finally haunt him in 2007, and never say Kenya is not vulnerable, we all know better………………, we are at a crossroads. At times is better to take a path least trodden.
Kolo:
This is the problem:
In 1992, when democracy was forced on Kenya, Moi, who knew the Kikuyu were totally against him, went out and told the Kalenjin that the Kikuyu were to blame for forcing democracy onto the country and for trying to get rid of him. So, he said — go out and kick the kikuyu’s from their land and kill them. The Kalenjins did that and did they get any land out of it? No.
Same thing happened again in 1997. Did they get any land out of it? no.
Fast forward to 2007. By this time, the Kalenjins, who’d been doing this for 15 years, had become experienced ethnic killers and once again, they were told by politicians like Ruto, that the Kikuyu’s were out to get them, so go out and kill them and kick them of their land. Have they gotten anything yet? no.
I don’t know why Kibaki did not call in the army, but some have speculated that they were still too many Kalenjins in place and it would have gotten very messy. However, yesterday, the German ambassador said he spoke to people in burnt forest who told him that had the police not come in, there would have been a lot more killings. These people were baying for blood. Very dangerous.
So, at this point, it’s not about reconciliation. It’s about destroying that frankenstein in the rift valley and like I’ve said before, this process is going to take time, but they are working on it.
Ruto can give all the press conferences he wants to give, but that is not going to stop the on-going security changes that are taking place. Police stations are going to be built in the rift valley, Kibaki will continue purging the Kalenjins from the army and by 2012, things should be in place.
I don’t think people understand that these changes take time to implement.
These are the only real changes I see happening in terms of the governments response to the violence.
Kolo,
There you go again! No one said Kalenjins are evil. Its sad how politically ignorant we have become.If a Kalenjin or Kikuyu elder incited violence,he/she must be held accountable. But Kenyans have the tendency to cry “Mtu wetu” like he/she did it on your behalf.What next,a Kikuyu murderer will be brought to court and all kikuyus should cry “Mtu wetu” and “Haki yetu”?????Can you imagine.
Anyone against WAKI report knows nothing about RV murder history.Its a system,from Molo to Eldoret,these innocent Kenyans have had enough since 1992.Time to act is now or else we might as well arm ourselves against this blood thirst monster residing in the RV that seem to arise in every election.
And Yes! no regrets about calling RV mafia a bunch of schmucks….
KE + DEE
I just read thru the waki report. Obviously I was skipping most parts to look for the known names of the inciters of violence RUTO, NTIMAMA, KENYATTA, But Wapi?
The report wretsles with this question of whether or not to publish names. they give a long writeup, some of it in legal terms about the reasons to and against. they then conclude not to publish the names.
The names will be sealed in an envelope and sent to the “eminenet persons” with concluding evidence.
Funny how, RUTO and NTIMAMA are giving themselves away by being so anti-the report…so tactless indeed.
What do you think the gava will do from here ? do you believe the tribunal will be a good way to deal with it ?
I read some part of the report that says that there may not be enough evidence to try these crimes at the hague…???????????
ALL,
Is there anyone out there who knows the 10 names soon to become “wanted Dead or Alive”……
I guess Ruto and Ntimama obvious….what about the other 8??
KE,
How can soon to be TJRC accomplish anything when the report touches the nerve centre of the state.Ati ICC in The Hague….If the ruling elites have gotten away with KABUGA saga,what makes anyone think they are worried about ICC?
THE BIWOTT FACTOR.
I am sure we have all noticed how the “Total man” was let off the hook after Kibaki took over. He was mentioned in every crime and corrupt matters affecting Kenya destructively.I would run out of ink if I was to write them down. But this an opportunity for anyone out there who wishes to make a quick buck.A book about Biwott’s Life.He was quite an engma in Kenya’s political landscape.
Talking of Political Clashes….He was the main player in 1992 and also financed Likoni clashes in the Coast.There is even evidence of him visiting the Digo warriors.Remember the arrows imported from Korea that were seized at JKIA and pictured in the Nation newspaper back in 1992.That was traced back to him too.How has he gotten away with it so far? Can’t the Nyanza ODM people even cry justice for late Dr.OUKO?……Very strange indeed……
It is quite clear that the coalition Govt has a dilemma here of epic proportions, being as it is a dilemma that is neither in Kibaki nor Raila’s hands to solve or deal with, and is even beyond their individual capacities as President and PM to influence.
The projected sequence of events to follow started with the signing of the National Accord which has very elaborate steps to be followed to conclusion, and the Waki commission was only one of the steps, but being the political incompetents our politicians are, they failed to read the small print of the agreements they were signing. I do not think they really appreciated or took cognisance of the significant UN role and input in the agreement through Annan, and the role he played in determining the terms of reference of the Waki commission. Typically, our politicians decided to open the champagne before they had read the fine print of the TORs. Which is actually all to the good because now we can truly have justice served to the principal perps of the genocidal violence early this year and the princes of impunity dating back to 1992.
Dee:
Biwott may have been evil then, but he clearly wasn’t involved in the recent events. No amount of stretching of the imagination can deflect blame from the likes of ODM, PNU, etc. These guys f****d up, and they thought they could get away with it. Infact, they didn’t think at all. Period. Lets bring all of the political bunch to book from Biwott to Kibor to Uhuru and Balala.
I’m no fan of Uhuru Kenyatta, but why should he take the blame for hiring (if he did) mungiki guys to defend the Kikuyu against attack?
I don’t know why these commissions keep lumping the perpertrators of the crimes in the same light with those who were trying to defend themselves!!!
The Kikuyu’s had absolutely every right to fight back against the attacks by the Kalenjins. If you are physically attacked, you have every right to defend yourself (even with violence) and this right of self-defense is recognized in the law.
The same thing happened in 1992 and 1997 – Moi only stopped the ethnic violence when the Kikuyu’s started fighting back.
Balala and ruto are not in the same league here and people need to stop trying to be politically correct about what has been happening for the last 15 years: The kalenjins need to cut this bullshit out and they need to be stopped. I’ve been saying this for almost one year now (way before anyone on the blogosphere was willing to say honestly what was happening).
And it’s too late for Raila Odinga to cut those violent ties that he formented during the election. Odinga’s language was infused with anti-kikuyu rhetoric throughout the campaign and I’m sure that rhetoric gave these kalenjin hoodlums more reason to want to proceed with their banal plans.
If raila thinks that going against the kalenjin will win him kikuyu votes, he is just out of his mind. They will never, ever, vote for him.
I don’t understand why Raila is so politically reckless.
KE,
YOU ARE WRONG.
You are somehow wrong about UHURU as the problem is “whom do you revenge against?”.The fact is those killed by MUNGIKI in Naivasha were as innocent as the Kikuyu victims in Eldoret.Even in real war,Killing of civilians in enemy territory is condemned.So I wish MUNGIKI went after their equal, the KALENJIN WARRIORS.Yeah! That would have been possible because these marauding killers were walking in daylight in many parts of North Rift and the revenge would have been a planned mission.You could easily identify the KALENJIN agressors even in the media as they were carrying crude weopons and put road blocks.A lorry full of MUNGIKI could have ascended onto one of those road blocks and face the agressors. But instead torching a family in a building just because they are LUOS as happened in Naivasha is a sign of cowardness too.UHURU should therefore held accountable for lifes lost just like the rest of them.
KE
You are right on this one.
I just came back from Kenya on Saturday and strangely enough, the Kikuyus I spoke to have no beef with Raila. Infact, they think that Raila can deliver if he ever became the president.
Ruto is another story all together. They are convinced that he was behind the violence and more importantly that he should and will be dealt with once and for all.
I heard an interesting version, which I had not considered before – that this guy Ruto was planning to use Raila so that he can ascend to the presidency himself. I had never actually considered this angle.
I heard that Raila has now been presented with evidence that Ruto was planning to stage a coup against him if ODM had won.
Interesting stuff…..
Dee
The family in Naivasha was not burnt by Mungiki. The house was actually set alight by Luos when they were told to vacate – unfortunately, they were then trapped in the burning house as their escape routes were blocked due to the violence raging in the estate. It was a sad case.
KE,
On another sad note I want to tell a TRUE but Horrible story of what happened in 1992 in MOLO. I lost some relatives there in the hands of Kalenjin Warriors.Even the survivors of January Violence will tell you that the KALENJIN WARRIORS of 2007 are nothing compared to those of 1992.You know at the time they had the state backing so they were well trained and even included members of the disciplined forces.Had even access to military choppers.
BUT MY HORRIBLE STORY is about the Kikuyus escaping from the mayhem.Mothers dressed their sons like girls to save their lifes.At road blocks they would snatch out pregnant women open up their bellies with matchetes (TRUE STORY).If the unborn child was a boy,they would cut it in pieces and if it was a girl,they would put it back in the dead mother’s body.Its like a horror movie.How do you tell those who witnessed this to forgive and forget?
The reason MOI stopped the violence NOT because Kikuyus started to fight back BUT tensions arose in the military.KIKUYU military members with relatives in RV started murmuring loud.I met one Kyuk army guy at Kasarani (Army had a running camp there) who told me there was a well known plot in Langata barracks by some KYUKS and GEMA to escape with guns and join their kinsmen in RV.Then KIKUYUS killed Rtd.Army Capt.BEROSOI whose farm was the KALENJIN OPERATIONS BASE.The mission was so commando that there was suspect of outside help.That scared MOI.Taking sides by the military would have ignited Kenya beyond repair.And Moi knew well.
I hope WAKI report is the first step to end this menace once and for all.
Keio
You r interesting..The Luos burned themselves in Naivasha…I would kinda belive the Kalenjin versions that says a gas cylinder exploded in the eldoret church when the Kikuyus were cooking food……..
All
Its apparent that The Kikuyus are looking for some one to blame over the Kalenjin clashes .. ..Ruto is just a victim like the Kikuyus..Had Biwott won the elections on an ODM ticket( which he could easily have done had he joined ODM ) he would be the warlod and not Ruto
(that alone says alot)…….
Am sure RUTO cannot be found guilty in Kenyan or Hauge courts…The really problem is the Kalenjin(not ruto)……They have no time for Kikuyus….and the only problem between the Kalenjins and Kikuyus is nothing but the RV LAND stupid (infact they have nothing against each other outside land…)…….
The Future…
One can adopt the Waki reports…take Ruto. to the Hauge..he will be back Not found Guilty…..
Every one knows how schisms in countries play over time (even centuries)..they only widen with increasing populations….
The future is indeed bleak for Kenya ..
Thanks to the rv land
KeIo
…if Kikuyus are saying Rutto was planing a coup after Raila won..(finish off Kikuyus so that Raila wins..then finish Raila…Wow…This Ruto(kalenjins) must be embeciles)
It ONLY shows how petrified Kikuyus are over the Kalenjins to the extend that they can Sanitise a DEVIL if only they would turn against the Kalenjin
Lord
Yes, they are so scared of Ruto/Kalenjins that they have stopped their lives and spend all their days hallucinating about Ruto/Kalenjins – NOT!
On the contrary, they are very busy doing what they do best – making money. Plus, they are no longer complacent.
And I was in Kenya, so do not tell me that I am talking from an armchair in the West. I visited Nyahururu, Nakuru, Narok, Limuru, Thika, Karatina, Athi River and of course the whole of Nairobi area. I spent one night in Kiambu town and enjoyed Mugithi at Nova Park Hotel. There was a fantastic live band in attendance.
Having said that, I liked what I saw. People are generally doing well. There is increased security. I even joked with the police at a roadblock. I could use my phone in Nairobi CBD without the fear of getting mugged. The city is generally clean and people are busy with their small businesses. I noticed several Cyber Cafes in the small town of Limuru and I even emailed from there!
The future of Kenya is not bleak – it is bright.
Lord
This thing about Ruto’s presidential ambitions is not farfetched. Don’t forget the guy was supposed to be the PM if ODM had won the elections. That is what I heard anyway.
I am not an expert on Kenyan politics and I cannot therefore say whether it is true or false. But my impression is that Kikuyus are spoiling for a final solution to this periodical menace.
I heard them saying that they are not going anywhere – gutire kundu tuguthie. I don’t know what that means.
Keio
You now hit the point…But my impression is that Kikuyus are spoiling for a final solution[kalenjin] to this periodical menace…….
Dont you think the Kalenjins too are waiting…..?
The future is bright
Lord
I don’t know about the Kalenjins – perhaps you should ask them.
What I know though, is that it is pretty primitive to solve political disputes through violence. No matter which side starts it.
Why should you attack your neighbour just because he allegedly voted for a different candidate?
The issue is not even land as you put it, it is competition for political power – especially the presidency.
Kei O
Believe me…This Kalenjins are quite simple people…Power did NOT enter their heads even after 24 yrs!!! You never saw them celebrate any day MOI was sworn…they just tilled their land drunk their booze and lived…..
Stand with a Kalenjin in an international court of LAW and you will loose….they are believingly simple…honest…to almost naive….
The problem with them is simple..They have this zionist view about the Kalenjin RV….Seriously they are sick on this…Ask even the victims in ELD..they genuinely tell you many great things about this simple peolple……
As for me am of solving this Kalenjin/Kikuyu problem without recourse to arms……for i own businesses in Kenya and i have children….and ALSO KNOW that If this two comunities fight the entire Kenya will disintegrate the SOMALI way…It will not pan out RWANDA (for kenyans are roughly in their ancestral homes) BUT more like SOMALI where EACH comunity will zone themselves in their enclaves……………..The emergent Kenya after that will be purely federal….and very cold indeed
Thats a SCENARIO any sane KENYAN should see….
PRESIDENCY
This is one position which is the BANE of this country…and its so because a president is contitutionaly too powerfull…there is the option of a pure Parliamentary SYSTEM which will realy reduce presidentail powers making communities to rest……
Lord
A parliamentary system will simply transfer power from the presidency to the PM position. Then people will be fighting for the PM position. It is therefore not a solution. Furthermore, we all know how stupid and stomach minded our MPs are. They will be bought.
What we need is a dictatorship leaning towards economic development.
I don’t buy the argument that Kalenjins are simple and naive, nobody is simple and naive in Kenya. They were simply incited by their leaders to commit criminal acts. And all criminals should face the law – no matter who they are.
If you are so sure that Ruto and Co will be acquitted by the Tribunal why are you then so scared of facing the Tribunal?
Let the Tribunal decide. This will discourage others from impunity.
Lord
Power did not enter the Kalenjins head even after 24 years?????
I don’t know where you were brought up. I remember the days in the 90s when Kalenjins were drunk with power and money. They used to loot parastatals, ministries and central banks. They also extorted money from private businesses.
I had a Kalenjin friend called Keter who used to work for a parastatal and I swear he used to keep millions of shillings in his rented house in Nairobi. He would take bundles of money everyday to spend it. I was told he is now as broke as a church mouse and he does not even leave his village in Eldoret.
Power did get to their heads alright
KEIo
Parliamentary system is a system where the PM would share power with the parliament .Like in Israel,Uk,Italy,India etc
If a prime does not perfom or lies or does whtaever…the parliament will toss it out and a new one is appointed by parliamentary rules…this will give people a break
POWER entering peoples heads
One individual can be be drunk like wining (safaricom lotto)…..The community will not get drunk…..
Of course this are perceptions that cannot be metered and will vary from individual to another…….
AM I SCARED of the Hauge!!! Yes for this reosons
We shall join a set of…
1) Yugoslavia
2) DRC
3) Charles Taylor
4) I cannot think of any …not even somalia
Just imagine we join the rut..we can sa well break up peacefully unlike Yugoslavia
In any case Kenyas gov has never broken up since 63…unless of course we declare KIBAKI was not in charge and is NOT in charge
The problem is not Land though its part of the problem but not the root of the problem. The root of the problem poverty. If the Kalenjins treasured land that much they would not have sold it to the Kikuyus. What is happening is we have many unemployed youths who feel disenfranchised and secluded. They where not prepared to engage in new ways economic activities in this modern day.
The solution would be Kenya to have its economy grow and expand very fast and maintain that way for several years. When that happens we will not have jobless youth roaming around ready to be hired to burn houses. Every country has problems with different communities having negative sentiments about other communities based on race, religion or ethnicity. The problem in Kenya is when one is hungry he can be a very bitter person, especially when he sees his neighbor doing better. I feel the kalenjins felt threated as the say Kikuyus prospering both agriculturally and in business. The negative sentiments, envy and even hate was brewing underneath. ODM just took advantage of this sentiments and a section of it leaders took it too far….
Noni
Thanks for your post…
It seems you have no idea of land in Kalenjin RV
The Kalenjins have the bigest lands compared to Kikuyus..The Kikuyu parceled the lands to thmselves in under five acre plots while kalenjins divided theirs into 40,50 acres and above….So the kalenjins are the Richest farmers in Eldoret,Kericho..The Kales are also the richest folks in in those sides (ask even the idps)
2) Kalenjins never sell land to Kikuyus,Have never sold land to Kikuyus…The Kikuyus got the lands through the Late Jomo Kenyatta hands in the sixties and early seventies….Rememember the land buying companies? So this Dismisses your theory that land is NOT the isue but Jeoluosy ? Look all the farms that were affected by clashes…They are settlement schemes……..they were goverland land…
3) Kalenjins and Kikuyus have stayed separately (on farms) never mixing much inspite of being in the same area…They mixed mostly(casual realtion…non cultural) in the joint centres if their farms were adjacent…..
Travel those sides or ask for the list of farms affected and you will notice they are all setlement schemes and NOT one acre towns plots people were fighting over
Noni
If poverty is the root cause!!!then Kalenjin RV should never have been source of conflict given its one of the richest areas by Kenyan standards
Check out in Ministry of planning
Futher of you read Waki the patern of attack in Kalenjin RV was mainly burning of houses and property[eviction message] rather than looting….unlike in KSM
Lord
I do not know what you are talking about. My friend here in the UK was sold land by a Kalenjin in Uasin Gishu. He built a house and it was burnt down.
There were also alot of Kikuyu and Kisii folks who were tenants and did not own any land and yet they were also killed and evicted.
What about the business owners e.g. kiosks, shops, hawkers etc who did not also own land but they were also evicted?
Yes, there were settlement schemes but these were bought from white settlers and not from Kalenjins. The Kikuyus are saying if the issue is land, no problem, let them get their land as well that was taken by the same white settlers from 1883. Do not forget there are Kalenjins who own land plantations and houses in central province.
We have a willing buyer willing seller constitution or do we have a different constitution for Kalenjins in the RV?
I say Bwana, do a bit of research before peddling falsehoods.
@lord
You are right when you say that Kales own the largest tracts of land. You are also right and saying there are probably many rich Kales in RV. But at the same time there are many young unemployed kales in the area that are landless, jobless and poor. Otherwise they would not have been available to be hired to go burning and looting property and killing.
Yes there are kikuyus who went there during Kenyatta days when they formed land buying companies and bought land land from white settlers and subdivided the land among themselves. But also there much recent land transaction where Kales sold land to kikuyus (and even at times lease land to kikuyus). I for one know of a family that was sold land by a kale in Molo area, and according to his story many kikuyus in there area bought land from Kales. The same story applies in maasai land where my uncle hand bought land and during the moi era day clashes was evicted and dispossed land he owned legally.
Now, while kales have dominated agriculture in RV because they own bigger tracts of land, kikuyus and other communities(kisiis, indians) have dominated trade and business in RV towns including Eldoret. Initially Kales never valued urban life, so they did not invest much in towns apart from the athletees but when they realised other groups dominating these towns they started feeling dominated. Agriculture wise, the little land kikuyus where maximising the little land they had and and eventually became the dominant economic group in the area. So even if you have a handful of very righ Kales, Kikuyus where doing much better generaly than the average kales.
Infact its these rich kales, some even prominent politicians that funded the violence in effort to take over the businesses. They sold the lie that these people (” hi watu”) came and dispossessed you and dominated you. The lie was bought and the seeds of envy and hate were sown.
S
On the record. I love Kales, I have kale friends and colleagues but the political class has taken advantage of poor people, sowed hate to benefit themselves. These people are warlords and should be prosecuted and justice must be served for impunity to end. Ignorance should be banished especially among the rural folk and urban poor so they may stop these ungodly hero worship and believe every lie their politician sells to them.
Nobody in Kenya is going to the Hague or to the ICC. Those venues are reserved for criminals who commit far worse crimes (& by far worse crimes, I mean, the body count has to be much higher than what we saw in kenya — think Rwanda, Yugoslavia, Darfur, etc, etc). What happened in Kenya is just not that bad, especially compared to the kinds of atrocities the world is used to seeing across Africa.
The Waki commission will not deal with this menace. This menace will be resolved by the Kikuyu’s and Kamba’s in the army and in the intelligence services who are currently in the process of re-aligning themselves and their units.
This is why I can’t see Raila becoming the president in 2012. The Kikuyu’s and Kamba’s are not going to get access to the guns, then turn around and “allow” Raila to become the president so he can screw them out of their power.
Once again, Raila Odinga was outfoxed and as I told you guys before, he has no real power and that is why an article in the Economist described his office as a “Shell”. Odinga recognized what was happening way too late. He is trying to re-align himself now, but the cards are already in play.
I’m continually amazed at Raila’s capacity to continually screw himself and his future. It’s simply amazing.
Why do kale’s start this stupidity every time around ELECTION time if their problem is land or poverty as some have said? Raila was used!
I like KE’s analysis , this kale power has to be purged for once and for all.
The kyuks now have an alliance they have desparately sought for, for years..the Kamba factor! Nairobi still has all its powers geographically centralized..and this area is surrounded by Kambas , Kikuyus (and Masai?) Controlling this land does mean you can control kenya’s political/economic landscape for obvious reasons. Thats why nyayo succeeded by keep kaus/kyuks..separated and empower the kales. Thats why Biwott wished he could move the capitol to RV.
KOFFI,
Talking of the Capital city,Do you remember the proposal in the early 90s to move the capital of Kenya to Eldoret?
I think we came close especially considering they even built the International Airport in a place that never needed one (KISUMU was more economically viable). Another sign,they moved the Basic Military Training college from Lanet,Nakuru to Moi Barracks,Eldoret.Then came Moi University and so on…..
They were uplifting ELDORET at the expense of NAKURU which is the Provincial Hdq. I guess too many Kyuks live there.
I think BIWOTT had a master plan only him knew too well.
As we speak now, ODM is on the verge of an irrevocable split courtesy of the Waki report calling for the setting up of a tribunal and the very strong opposition of Ruto and Kalenjin MPs to that idea. The problem is that there is nothing much Raila can do about it. Even if the tribunal were to be set up tomorrow, it would still be out of the control of the Kenya Govt as, in a panel of six Judges, the Chief Judge, the Chief prosecutor and two other judges will be foreigners appointed by the UN. Only two judges will be Kenyan. In any case, the tribunal must be set up before parliament goes for Christmas recess in a few weeks time otherwise it will miss the March 1 deadline. Parliament does not resume until Mid March next year.
On the other hand, if the tribunal is not set up, the Hague process clicks into place, and that will be even worse as the matter will be totally out of the hands of Kenyan politicians. At least with the tribunal in Kenya they will be able to get affordable lawyers. Either way, Ruto and others will very likely end up in jail for many years.
If i was Uhuru, i would accept to go to the tribunal as i do not believe he ordered Mungiki to do anything. The simple fact is that nobody can tell Mungiki to do anything except Maina Njenga. From the Waki report, the evidence against Uhuru is largely speculation from the Kenya National Human Rights Commission that there were meetings to assist Mungiki. However, people i have spoken to say the meetings in Nairobi were for fund raising to assist IDPs. This is the same Human rights organization that had earlier in the year denied that there was ethnic cleansing going on in the Rift Valley, culminating in Maina Kiai almost being lynched by IDPs at a Red Cross camp in Eldoret, only to turn around later in mid year to accept that ethnic cleansing did take place. With such poor credibility, the KNHCR evidence against Uhuru should be taken with a big pinch of salt. When the time comes, Uhuru should just hire an experienced QC from London who will promptly tear to shreds any lingering doubts. After all, Uhuru has the money to afford one.
To the contrary, Ruto and the rest of the Kalenjin Mafia have evidence against them obtained from the NSIS. That is shorthand for being in really big trouble. How do you fight that given the applause for its work given to the NSIS by Waki? Waki said that of all Govt institutions, only the NSIS and the Army were adequately prepared and on the ball to deal with the crisis when it occurred.
If Uhuru goes to the Tribunal and adequately defends himself, he will have upped his political clout considerably reinforcing the potency of his emerging alliance with Kalonzo Musyoka while putting pressure on Raila by limiting his options to manoeuvre and thereby accelerating the break up of ODM.
Either way, the potent ODM force we saw in 2007 is finished and will most likely be reduced to a Luo-Luhya affair in the near future, if that will even last. The remainder of the Kalenjin politicians will very likely go back to KANU and Baba Moi who will tell them “i told you so”.
KE#
Waw!!! You really advocate the use of Taxpayers money to arm Kambas and Kikuyus…..?
Kikuyus are seeking vengeance but Akamba are seeking what ? Power? Which power when Kikuyus will be calling shots….Akamba do not even have more than 10 acres of any land in RV? Will they be willing to sacrife 300000 men for that?
KE
You realy crave for this war!!! EVEN if Kikuyus and akamba were 100% of the Kenya army they CAN NOT take on the rest of Kenya? Do you KNOW Southern Sudan could NOT be taken by Arab North with all the alqaida and middle east OIL?
BASIC facts about war
1) Kalenjins do not relly on the Central Goverment the way the Kikuyus do…Think of who owns the money in NSE..the whole of NRB…lets not talk of akamba they need FOOD first……
So start the war …Gov will cease in 2weeks…MONEY ceases… .War for another 10yrs….things freeze..Mungiki reigns…….This BLOG will CEASE
Thats ok for you!!
Mantaray
If Any one goes to the hauge they will aqcuited after 20yrs if they are inocent!!! (Trial of Tailor has not even began)
So if your favourite Uhuru goes he will back around 2030……Then he can team up with Kalonzo and take on rest of Kenya
The fighting was never about land. Hear this from the mouth of William Ruto himself speaking before the Waki Commission:
He [William Ruto] dismissed the land issue as a factor in the 2007 violence. He told the Commission, “The issue of the PEV is not land, let nobody cheat you. Kikuyus always sit on the land and the only problem is at the end of 5 years. It is all politics. Land is just an excuse.”
He also noted that “our politics acquires ethnic dimensions” and communities support parties where “their leaders are at the front and that is one thing we have to change.” He finally remarked that the 2007 election was very polarized and “the people in the Rift Valley believed that Kibaki oppressed them in the last 5 years.
They voted more against Kibaki’s presidency than for Raila’s presidency.”
Goefrey
Do you belive Ruto?
Well, Ruto has debunked the land myth, thats for sure. If the fighting was really about land, why is it that it only happens during elections? Is this the only time people suddenly realize that they are landless? Where were they living the rest of the time? Ruto has also demonstrated that Rift Valley support for Raila was a way of hitting back against Kibaki. It was never about ODM ideals.
Lord
Do you really think that Kikuyus will let others kill them just because they have some little money in Nairobi, NSE etc?
I think you have may have underestimated the anger that these innocent victims feel today – after 16 years of this mindless cycle of violence.
There was a recent meeting in Molo where Kale leaders proposed an alliance with Kikuyus and the Kikuyus rejected the offer outright. What does that tell you?
Read the signs of the times Bwana, the time for impunity is over.
“..If Any one goes to the hauge they will aqcuited after 20yrs if they are inocent!..”
You wish. The accused will not be held pending conviction, you dunderhead, at least not in Kenya. Have you even read the Waki report? Waki himself says there isn’t enough evidence to convict anybody. What akina Ruto are afraid of is having their machinations displayed in public putting paid to their political careers. Who would want to associate with such people after their evil character is exposed for all to see. That is why
Geofrey
I for one find Ruto arguments logical and believable..am on record even on this blog that he would be found innocent in any court over PEV……
I also said the problem is the Kalenjin not Ruto…….
Well we can go round and round (egg & chicken ) but the truth shall emerge….It goes all the way to 1969 and before…..Do you know why Molo GSU station was bulit in 69 ?……It was beacuse the Kalenjins Burned Kikuyu houses following MPs Late Seronney Tinderet Kalenjin Land declaration…..You can even go down further to deliberations of lancaster HSE which Kalenjins and Masais Coastals postponed independence till the Majimbo clause was allowed creating the current provinces and the concept of trust lands (which as saved coastals and masai lands)…..
Wait when the land issue comes to parliament……
KEIO~
What do i say….
…..There was a recent meeting in Molo where Kale leaders proposed an alliance with Kikuyus and the Kikuyus rejected the offer outright. What does that tell you? …..
You like twisting facts a bit hence deflecting the truth by miles…..In the Molo meeting Klaonzo,Uhuru had gone there…there were no TOP Kalenjin Leaders……Yes a Kalenjin leader sugested some political allignement ..Uhuru Rejected it…….In the same meeting the local MP (kikuyu) TOLD Uhuru to his face that CENTRAL province would never take for granted their votes again…we will vote with the RV people…….
What DOES THAT TELL YOU ? to use your words
“..If Any one goes to the hauge they will aqcuited after 20yrs if they are inocent!..”
You wish. The accused will not be held pending conviction, Mister lord, at least not in Kenya. Have you even read the Waki report? Waki himself says there isn’t enough evidence to convict anybody except for the evidence against Ruto which is from the NSIS. Got that? NSIS.
What Ruto, Kosgei, Ntimama & co are really afraid of is having this evidence submitted in court and to the public putting paid to their political careers and likely getting jailed.
On the other hand, Uhuru has nothing to fear and it will be very difficult to prove based on KNHCR hearsay that he controlled and ordered Mungiki to kill, Kikuyus will therefore still fall behind him.
Don’t sweat it, the GEMA/Akamba alliance is on track while the so called Western Alliance of Luo/Luhya/Kalenjin is falling apart barely 10 months into the formation of the coalition Govt. Its called God’s perfect will.
Mantaray
Deep in your very long tail…probably you forgot…here its
………On the other hand, if the tribunal is not set up, the Hague process clicks into place, and that will be even worse as the matter will be totally out of the hands of Kenyan politicians. At least with the tribunal in Kenya they will be able to get affordable lawyers. Either way, Ruto and others will very likely end up in jail for many years…………..
Well here you are agin dunderrously saying there is no enough evidence to convict anybody…
BUT am right any body[Uhuru/Ruto] taken to hauge as a long wait before justice is delivered…….I said this when you insuanated Uhuru can go the hauge and just hire a QC (queens counsell ? He got excess money )…just shreed the evidence in the hauge and come home with boosted morale team with Kalonzo……
Lord, All
Let us all stop getting heated about this and that.
Si the report is out, si they have until 28 Feb 2009 to institute a tribunal, kwani why are we then frothing in the mouth over events that will very soon unfold?
Let us wait & see.
Lord:
I’m not advocating war. I’m just saying that the violence by the Kalenjiin, which has been going on for 15 years, has to be stopped.
They will be no Hague or tribunal because the body count was too low (to put it crudely).
This problem will be dealt with kieneji style.
Lord,
Can you guys imagine how shaky it would be if nairobi was located in or near kale land? Would Kales kick every non-kale out of the capitol? The number of the unqualified araps heading corporations and gov agencies are minimal…so purging Kale power in armed forces will bring them to their knees, thats what people are saying. And KE believes , as some us do, that its part of kibs mission before 2012.
Koffi,KE
Good luck
DEE… you are so well informed ….the Belsoi killing was that…my relative lost his life in that operation….but it was the best…….pple don’t be deceived, the Kale barbarism will be halted insidously….time will tell
Kikuyus are jews and will thriumph against all their adversaries and temptations since the God of Israel is on their side.But remember whoever is with God is hated immensly by neighbors who will plan his extermination.Kikuyus should not be scared .