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The Indians

I was having a conversation with a friend recently and we got to talking about India and why it’s managed to rejuvinate it’s economy while many African countries have been unable to do so. His/her explanation was that Indians are simply genetically superior, especially when it comes to math and science. This is the second time this person has said this so I’m sure they believe it. Additionally, by making this statement, this person was essentially implying that Africans do not possess this special gene and thus, no amount of hard work on their part will ever make a difference.

The evidence for this statement was based on his/her observation that “all” the Indian students he/she remembered from Kenya, seemed to do well in math and science. I am going to attempt to debunk this subjective theory because I don’t think it’s true at all.

The Indians in Kenya are wealthier than their African counter-parts. Why? because at the time of colonization, Africans were ranked lower than Indians at all levels. As a result of this racial ranking, Indians were given more opportunities to engage in trade and commerce –opportunities which were largely denied to the majority of Africans. After independence, this head-start that the Indians received, allowed them to make further economic gains way after the British had left. The Africans were still trying to play catch-up.

My analysis on why Indians tended to excel academically, is not because of genes, but rather, it was because of economics. Their families were able to provide better educational opportunities for them because they had more money. This economic imbalance was created during colonization. If you go to India today, I’m sure they are many poor Indians who would not do well in school simply because their families don’t have the money. The Indians in East Africa were operating under more favorable economic circumstances.

Let’s move on to the Indians in India. Why are they so good at math and science? At the time of independence, Jawaharla Nehru, India’s first prime minister made the decision that India would remain a non-aligned nation. What did that mean? it meant that India would not take sides in the on-going cold war politics. It would neither support America nor support Russia. This decision by Nehru meant that India became ineligible for the billions of dollars in foreign aid that would pour in from either America or Russia.

Nehru recognized this dilemma and came to the conclusion that India would have to become self-sufficient in the absence of foreign aid. To ensure India’s economic independence, Nehru created the now famous ITT’s (Indian Institute’s of Technology) — these institutions were created to train Indians in subjects that would enable them to develop their own industries –many of these subjects were math and science based.

After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

Anyway, the process then evolved to it’s next natural stage. When the Indians were done with grad school, they started looking for jobs. American companies would go to these universities looking for young scientists to hire and they started noticing that most of these scientists were from India! So, naturally, they started wondering how India was able to produce so many people with such solid technical skills. It was then that they began to realize what Nehru had done – he had created an educational system that produced millions of English speaking scientists — scientists who were willing to work for far less than an American, especially if you could re-locate to India!

In conclusion: When Manmohan Singh starting his economic reform program, the seeds of success had already been planted by Jawarahal Nehru. Mobutu Sese Seko also planted his seeds. He got billions of dollars in foreign aid for supporting America during the cold war. Do a google search on Congo and tell me how it’s doing.

9 comments for “The Indians

  1. Anonymous
    March 19, 2011 at 8:05 am

    I was having a conversation with a friend recently :idea: :mrgreen: and we got to talking about India and why it’s managed to rejuvinate it’s economy while many African countries have been unable to do so. His/her explanation was that Indians are simply genetically superior, especially when it comes to math and science. This is the second time this person has said this so I’m sure they believe it. Additionally, by making this statement, this person was essentially implying that Africans do not possess this special gene and thus, no amount of hard work on their part will ever make a difference.

    The evidence for this statement was based on his/her observation that “all” the Indian students he/she remembered from Kenya, seemed to do well in math and science. I am going to attempt to debunk this subjective theory because I don’t think it’s true at all.

    The evidence for this statement was based on his/her observation that “all” the Indian students he/she remembered from Kenya, seemed to do well in math and science. I am going to attempt to debunk this subjective theory because I don’t think it’s true at all.

    The Indians in Kenya are wealthier than their African counter-parts. Why? because at the time of colonization, Africans were ranked lower than Indians at all levels. As a result of this racial ranking, Indians were given more opportunities to engage in trade and commerce –opportunities which were largely denied to the majority of Africans. After independence, this head-start that the Indians received, allowed them to make further economic gains way after the British had left. The Africans were still trying to play catch-up.

    My analysis on why Indians tended to excel academically, is not because of genes, but rather, it was because of economics. Their families were able to provide better educational opportunities for them because they had more money. This economic imbalance was created during colonization. If you go to India today, I’m sure they are many poor Indians who would not do well in school simply because their families don’t have the money. The Indians in East Africa were operating under more favorable economic circumstances.

    My analysis on why Indians tended to excel academically, is not because of genes, but rather, it was because of economics. Their families were able to provide better educational opportunities for them because they had more money. This economic imbalance was created during colonization. If you go to India today, I’m sure they are many poor Indians who would not do well in school simply because their families don’t have the money. The Indians in East Africa were operating under more favorable economic circumstances.

    The Indians in Kenya are wealthier than their African counter-parts. Why? because at the time of colonization, Africans were ranked lower than Indians at all levels. As a result of this racial ranking, Indians were given more opportunities to engage in trade and commerce –opportunities which were largely denied to the majority of Africans. After independence, this head-start that the Indians received, allowed them to make further economic gains way after the British had left. The Africans were still trying to play catch-up.

    My analysis on why Indians tended to excel academically, is not because of genes, but rather, it was because of economics. Their families were able to provide better educational opportunities for them because they had more money. This economic imbalance was created during colonization. If you go to India today, I’m sure they are many poor Indians who would not do well in school simply because their families don’t have the money. The Indians in East Africa were operating under more favorable economic circumstances.

    Let’s move on to the Indians in India. Why are they so good at math and science? At the time of independence, Jawaharla Nehru, India’s first prime minister made the decision that India would remain a non-aligned nation. What did that mean? it meant that India would not take sides in the on-going cold war politics. It would neither support America nor support Russia. This decision by Nehru meant that India became ineligible for the billions of dollars in foreign aid that would pour in from either America or Russia.

    Nehru recognized this dilemma and came to the conclusion that India would have to become self-sufficient in the absence of foreign aid. To ensure India’s economic independence, Nehru created the now famous ITT’s (Indian Institute’s of Technology) — these institutions were created to train Indians in subjects that would enable them to develop their own industries –many of these subjects were math and science based.

    Nehru recognized this dilemma and came to the conclusion that India would have to become self-sufficient in the absence of foreign aid. To ensure India’s economic independence, Nehru created the now famous ITT’s (Indian Institute’s of Technology) — these institutions were created to train Indians in subjects that would enable them to develop their own industries –many of these subjects were math and science based.

    After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

    Nehru recognized this dilemma and came to the conclusion that India would have to become self-sufficient in the absence of foreign aid. To ensure India’s economic independence, Nehru created the now famous ITT’s (Indian Institute’s of Technology) — these institutions were created to train Indians in subjects that would enable them to develop their own industries –many of these subjects were math and science based.

    After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

    After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

    After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

    After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

    After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

    After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

    After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

    After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

    Anyway, the process then evolved to it’s next natural stage. When the Indians were done with grad school, they started looking for jobs. American companies would go to these universities looking for young scientists to hire and they started noticing that most of these scientists were from India! So, naturally, they started wondering how India was able to produce so many people with such solid technical skills. It was then that they began to realize what Nehru had done – he had created an educational system that produced millions of English speaking scientists — scientists who were willing to work for far less than an American, especially if you could re-locate to India!

    Anyway, the process then evolved to it’s next natural stage. When the Indians were done with grad school, they started looking for jobs. American companies would go to these universities looking for young scientists to hire and they started noticing that most of these scientists were from India! So, naturally, they started wondering how India was able to produce so many people with such solid technical skills. It was then that they began to realize what Nehru had done – he had created an educational system that produced millions of English speaking scientists — scientists who were willing to work for far less than an American, especially if you could re-locate to India!

    Anyway, the process then evolved to it’s next natural stage. When the Indians were done with grad school, they started looking for jobs. American companies would go to these universities looking for young scientists to hire and they started noticing that most of these scientists were from India! So, naturally, they started wondering how India was able to produce so many people with such solid technical skills. It was then that they began to realize what Nehru had done – he had created an educational system that produced millions of English speaking scientists — scientists who were willing to work for far less than an American, especially if you could re-locate to India!

    After Nehru’s death, India still had a very closed economy. The mentality of self-sufficiency and insularity was still prevelant. However, in the early 1990′s, Indian realized that it could not remain closed from the rest of the world. The current prime minister, Manmohan Singh was hired as the finance minister and was put in charge of spearheading India’s economic reforms. However, before this reforms were initiated, many Indians who had received a very good education at these ITT’s, were forced to leave the country in search of better economic opportunities (India was just not producing enough jobs at the time) For many of them, the easiest way to get to America was to apply to graduate school and come in on a student visa. It was perfect timing. Many graduate schools in America were having a hard time finding native born citizens who could do the math and science at that level. So, the Indians who applied were able to get in. However, once they were in, they did very well –the training at these ITT’s was very good (I’m sure the mzungu’s were stunned)

    In conclusion: When Manmohan Singh starting his economic reform program, the seeds of success had already been planted by Jawarahal Nehru. Mobutu Sese Seko also planted his seeds. He got billions of dollars in foreign aid for supporting America during the cold war. Do a google search on Congo and tell me how it’s doing.

    Singapore for Lee Kuan Yew
    Kenya got kenyatta (how vain that he even “changed” his name to reflect his “ownerhip of Kenya)

    Nonsense… actually if you read further into it… it turned out that Nehru was not involved in “local” politics as much as “international” politics…

    Anyway, the gist was that… Nehru was so taken up with “looking good” internationally i.e. showing up the USA & UK that he negelected what was happening on the ground. I am sure he did some good stuff but IITs produce a fraction of the total grads. They are undoubtedly the smartest! Vinod Khosla is an IIT grad.

    Anyway, the gist was that… Nehru was so taken up with “looking good” internationally i.e. showing up the USA & UK that he negelected what was happening on the ground. I am sure he did some good stuff but IITs produce a fraction of the total grads. They are undoubtedly the smartest! Vinod Khosla is an IIT grad.

    Anyway, the gist was that… Nehru was so taken up with “looking good” internationally i.e. showing up the USA & UK that he negelected what was happening on the ground. I am sure he did some good stuff but IITs produce a fraction of the total grads. They are undoubtedly the smartest! Vinod Khosla is an IIT grad.

    Anyway, the gist was that… Nehru was so taken up with “looking good” internationally i.e. showing up the USA & UK that he negelected what was happening on the ground. I am sure he did some good stuff but IITs produce a fraction of the total grads. They are undoubtedly the smartest! Vinod Khosla is an IIT grad.

    Anyway, the gist was that… Nehru was so taken up with “looking good” internationally i.e. showing up the USA & UK that he negelected what was happening on the ground. I am sure he did some good stuff but IITs produce a fraction of the total grads. They are undoubtedly the smartest! Vinod Khosla is an IIT grad.

    India has always had an entrepreneurial class while Nehru was a “Brahmin” thus disdained “trade”… basically an Animal Farm situation where he was sat on the top of the pyramid and thought espousing socialist policies will do the job!

    India has always had an entrepreneurial class while Nehru was a “Brahmin” thus disdained “trade”… basically an Animal Farm situation where he was sat on the top of the pyramid and thought espousing socialist policies will do the job!

    India has always had an entrepreneurial class while Nehru was a “Brahmin” thus disdained “trade”… basically an Animal Farm situation where he was sat on the top of the pyramid and thought espousing socialist policies will do the job!

    so what if he was a brahmin? like I said earlier, nehru was a proud nationalist. he told indians not to bow down to the british or anyone else and to this day indians still have that sense of pride. they are modernizing, but not at the expense of their cultural heritage.

    :cool: :cry: :oops:

  2. toiyoi
    December 27, 2006 at 4:14 pm

    My belief:
    Two, nay three main problems with africans and their leaders:
    (i) They refuse to learn from the story of the tower of babel, aka, many languages, no unity. Proof:
    -look at European History
    -closer home, as CT says, nyerere did a great job with his swahili project
    (ii) They refuse to swallow the bitter pill, which is: undo what the british did. We all know, it was a devide-and-rule by the Brits. Why did we not undo it? Yeah, it will be painful initialy, but the benefit will be felt even 100 years later.
    (iii)They have not realised that you cannot “have your cake and eat it too”: Achebe’s earlier writings on Okonkwo and Isaac Okonkwo captures this well. How so:
    - we had a culture
    - the mzungu brot his ways, sold it as better
    - we liked the goodies, the power it brot, so we “copied”
    - but we also liked our identity, so we tried (and still so) to “paste” the mzungu ways onto our existing ways {
    a bad case of trying to “copy” from Windows and “paste” into linux environment }. Failure with a thud.

    So out leaders (and us) want to modernize kenya, but you only want to empower your “tribes”. We enact Brit like laws, but know we will break them with impunity. Corruption is universal, we know, but maybe the Nehrus are guided by their religious beliefs and therefore feel restraints; maybe the Brits Christian beliefs tell them that laws are to be obeyed, so they steal kidogo kidogo or with caution. But us, what do we believe in? Nothing! Baba Moi says he is a christian, yet does not think it wrong to steal from the public (“other people” public) as long as he helps some of “our people”. We say handing out bribes is wrong, but have no moral backbone to not bribe a policeman/government official.

    Anyway, since it would be too expensive to re-educate all the africans into why it is necessary to restrain oneself in order for a modern society to thrive, africa needs that surgery after all, ie. undo what the British cancer did.

  3. coldtusker
    December 1, 2006 at 4:50 pm

    Nehru was an anglicised Indian… who was more comfortable with the Brits than his fellow Indians… I need to find that book for you!

    Apparently, he was writing love letters/poems to the Viceroy’s wife… WTF…

    Not to diminish the good Nehru did but India suffered defeats to China over some god-forsaken land coz of some stupid decisions he (& his cabinet) made!

    He was a cerebral chap… was he the best choice for India at the time? I do not know… there are too many variables…

    Indira Gandhi was a much tougher cookie then her father….

    My comparisons to Kenya are like having Njonjo as a president… he would have been like Nehru (except a capitalist & much richer)…

    Brahmins in India consider themselves “high caste” – check up Wikipedia… pretty extensive & very interesting – thus did not want to associate with the “lower” classes… Mahatma Gandhi was trying to break down barriers for the “untouchables” thus angering some in the government.

    Who cares (now)… the point is the IITs produce some of the best IT & science grads around while Kenya produces very few world-class IT grads or scientists…. even these are “educated” abroad since Kenyan universities have the brains but not the facilities!

    How can we help?

  4. kenyanentrepreneur
    November 30, 2006 at 11:38 am

    I had a hard time following that piece.

    Nehru’s socialist tendencies expanded educational opportunities for many Indians – that’s a good thing. All socialist causes are not bad. (look at the scandinavian countries for more on that topic)

    so what if he was a brahmin? like I said earlier, nehru was a proud nationalist. he told indians not to bow down to the british or anyone else and to this day indians still have that sense of pride. they are modernizing, but not at the expense of their cultural heritage.

  5. coldtusker
    November 30, 2006 at 11:19 am

    Nonsense… actually if you read further into it… it turned out that Nehru was not involved in “local” politics as much as “international” politics…

    I will find the book/articles for you… but it has been a while…

    Anyway, the gist was that… Nehru was so taken up with “looking good” internationally i.e. showing up the USA & UK that he negelected what was happening on the ground. I am sure he did some good stuff but IITs produce a fraction of the total grads. They are undoubtedly the smartest! Vinod Khosla is an IIT grad.

    India has always had an entrepreneurial class while Nehru was a “Brahmin” thus disdained “trade”… basically an Animal Farm situation where he was sat on the top of the pyramid and thought espousing socialist policies will do the job!

    The “real” PM would have been a guy called Vallabhbhai Patel (yes, one those “entrepreneurial” Patels who seem to own/run almost every motel in USA). Apparently, the Patels are also big into running Dunkin Donuts… go figure!

    Ocassionally, they are from E.Africa… just throw in a “Jambo” & see if there is a flicker of recognition… might even score a free coffee! Oh, I forgot… you are a Starbuxer…

    But there were some politics involved. Anyway, so this V.Patel becomes the “Interior Minister” ala Michuki who pieces together a “divided” India… Ultimately, he gets kicked to the kerb by Nehru…

    Apparently, the Brits used divide & conquer in India, just like Kenya, thus all these princes/maharajahs had to be put in their place… Patel did just that including “invading” one or two kingdoms/fiefdoms!

    Fascinating reading… I am surprised India has even survived as “one” country for 60 years!

    All that said… I am in awe of what India, China & Singapore (among others) have achieved while many African countries did not…

    Even in works/books critical of Nehru, Patel, Gandhi or the intial crop of Indian leaders… it seems the policies (sometimes the policies) are criticised but they were not enriching themsleves at the expense of the Indians…

    That’s what I admired in Nyerere… His economic policies sucked BUT he did unite TZ as “one” & was not corrupt i.e. he did not grow rich ala kenyatta or moi…

  6. kenyanentrepreneur
    November 30, 2006 at 9:57 am

    What on earth are you talking about when you say Nehru was a showman??? … He was a proud nationalist who advocated a system of self-sufficiency. As a result, India did not become a begging, welfare state like much of Africa.

  7. coldtusker
    November 29, 2006 at 4:37 pm

    Well… like I say…

    Singapore for Lee Kuan Yew
    Kenya got kenyatta (how vain that he even “changed” his name to reflect his “ownerhip of Kenya)

    India got Nehru (didn’t like his politics i.e. “showmanship”)
    Tanzania got nyerere (socialist with few math or science majors – in Kiswahili not English!)

  8. kenyanentrepreneur
    November 29, 2006 at 3:37 pm

    I am.

  9. Curious
    November 29, 2006 at 3:09 pm

    His/Her – Are you no aware of your friend’s gender?

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