The Kalenjins In The Rift Valley: Someone is Helping Them

By kenyanentrepreneur Saturday, January 5th, 2008
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Something is happening with the kalenjins in the rift valley. Their anger is coming from somewhere and their violence is not spontaneous. I know Raila Odinga wants people to believe that (& maybe in Kisumu it was spontaneous, but in the rift valley, someone is funding and organizing these Kalenjin warriors).

I think these Kalenjins have been lied to by the politicians. They’ve been told that the Kikuyu’s in the rift valley stole their ancestral land from them and the only way they can get it back is by killing them and forcing them to leave the area. Now, the problem with this lie is that the poor Kalenjins actually believe that when the Kikuyu’s leave, that land will then be re-distributed to them for free. And we all know how things in Kenya work: the poor, who will fight and die, will be left with nothing, while those corrupt politicians who are funding this hooliganism, will try and grab the land for themselves.

I’d really like to get a Kalenjin perspective on this issue (I’m not deleting comments that don’t agree with me – other Kenyan blogs are doing this in the name of deleting “abusive” material, but I’ve found that they are just deleting commentators who disagree with them). Anyway, this is what I’d like to know about the Kalenjins in the rift valley. Do they honestly believe that they are going to be given this land for free if the kikuyu’s flee??? This is why that majimbo talk was very, very, dangerous! You spread these lies to poor, illiterate people who can’t verify the information for themselves and they end up acting irrationally.

Someone emailed me this blog piece yesterday. It’s from this blog: 8 Months in Nairobi. What these people are planning is very scary). And like I said in a comment below, it’s the reason why Kibaki can’t quit! At this point, the Kikuyu believe that if Kibaki quits, they will be slaughtered. If all you read are blogs that are pro-ODM, you will miss out on what I believe is now the single most important reason why Kibaki will not resign.

Patrick is a Kikuyu businessman from Eldoret, where at least 15 people were burned to death as they were seeking refuge in a church. He, his wife, his six children and a few other members of his immediate family fled Eldoret earlier today.

Here’s what he had to say about the situation in Eldoret and in Kenya as a whole…

What was the situation when you left?

The situation in Eldoret is pathetic. It is systematic annihalation of tribe, in my opinion. It actually took God to make it to the airport. Along the way, we were attacked by the Kalenkin warriors but through God’s grace and because we had requested a police escort, we barely made it through. But in the convoy that we were in, we almost lost one car. But through God’s grace, we made it to the airport. It’s been hell. I can say that.

When did you know you had to leave?

Actually, we knew that we would have wanted to have stayed because we were born and bred in Eldoret. My parents moved into Eldoret way back in 1940. So we don’t know anywhere else as home, apart from that place. But when we realized that this had moved from the ODM, PNU conflict to something much deeper, and that the presidential elections had been used as an excuse for something else to be implemented, for the Kalenjins to get rid of the Kikuyus, that’s when we realized that we had to move out. That was the day before yesterday.

How did you leave?

We had to request our friends in Nairobi to come to our aid by chartering a plane because we could not access money and we didn’t have the kind of money that is needed to charter a plane. Our friends here in Nairobi came together and raised the money. “It’s whoever gets out, gets out.”

Who have you left behind?

Our family is quite large. What I managed to do is to get my immediate family, my wife and my children but I have left my cousins, I have left my brothers. I am trying to communicated with my brothers to see if they can join us. But the situation is so bad that we can not say that we have to move as the whole clan. We are several hundred. We have lost several members in the conflict. We have another small batch of relatives at the airport. They might make it today or tomorrow. We don’t know.

We are still working on getting the ones who are in town because you can not get to the airport without escort. It’s an enormous challenge that we don’t’ know how far we can go because the resources needed to charter this plane are enormous. It costs between 170,000 to 320,000 Kenya shillings to charter a 19-seater. I told you that my family is expansive. I lost two of my relatives in an area, very young boys. But what was even more disheartening, was my grandmother. She has a farm in Burnt Forest. When the clashes began, they left their homes and they went to a school, the whole village. The school was surrounded by the warriors. Any second, they could have attacked the school and finished them.

We cried to the police and the police did send some policemen. The warriors still insisted that they wanted to kill these people. The police brokered a deal. The people had to walk 20 KM to the nearest town, without getting anything from their homes. Those villagers are trapped in a small town. We can’t get them food and we can’t get them to Eldoret town. They can’t come out. “We really fear that there might be a massacre in Eldoret in the next few days.”

Patrick’s wife Ruth chimes in…

There is great fear in Eldoret town because people are being pushed into one central place, at the police station and at the church. What we have seen is that they are coming now and burning the churches at the outskirts. So far, we know that three churches have been burned and they have blocked all the exits out of town such that you can not get out of Eldoret town. So there is that great fear: why are we being pushed to the center for town? What is the intention?

What we have seen in the outskirts, the violence is so much. There is no precedent for it. In 1992, in 1997, it was not this fierce during past land clashes. So there is that great fear among the Kikuyu community in Eldoret. Why are we being put in one central place and we can not get out? So we really fear that there might be a massacre in Eldoret in the next few days.

You are holding quite a picture on the cover of that paper…? [As we were talking, Patrick was holding a copy of today's paper in his hand. On the cover was a photo of a woman wailing outside the burnt shell of the church in Eldoret where a group of sheltering Kikuyus were killed.

This is a very sad moment. When I made it to Nairobi and I was able to get this paper. One of my families live next to this church that was burned. Over 70 children and women were killed in this church Media and official reports of the numbers vary widely]. It’s barely a kilometer from where some of my relatives live. It means that some of my relatives, I don’t know, maybe some were caught up in there. But so far we believe they are not caught up there.

This is a very good example of what we are talking about. We know that historically, people have warred. They have always tribe versus tribe, for many reasons, some petty, some reasonable. But we know that the house of God is a place that, across the world, people respect. According to the African culture, children and women are not killed. We also know that the Kalenjin warriors, according to their culture, because we have lived with them, they don’t kill women or children.

So when it comes to a point whereby they go to a house of God where children and women are taking refuge and they kill them there, this is taking the conflict to another level that we believe is not the presidential race.

How surprised are you by what’s happened?

I am shocked. I know the Kalenjin, they are warlike. We know, we live with them, that they have those regiments, they have warriors. But we know that they are also very peace-loving people, we know that we have inter-married with them.

This is why it is very shocking that it has gone to this level. When there was this conflict that the presidential race was unfair, rigging had taken place, we definitely expected some outcry. We definitely expected some people marching. It’s not the first time in Kenya’s we’ve had land clashes, in 1992, 1997. It’s not like it’s something that is new to us. But the level that this has been taking… Believe me, the death count that you are reading in the newspaper, actually it is over ten times this. The attack has been undertaken all around Eldoret. All around. All the farms, all the villages. If one time, it would be possible to have a death count, we are not talking of hundreds, we are talking of thousands.

What long-term effect do you think this conflict might have in Eldoret and in the country as a whole?

We know what has happened in other countries. We know what has happened in Bosnia, what has happened in Rwanda. Let’s not lie to ourselves that maybe there will not be retaliation. In Rwanda, when the Hutus killed the Tutsis, it was fun until the tables turned and the Tutsis started killing the Hutus. We all know how many millions have died there. The reality is that, definitely, even if it is not me, there are people who are pained. You never know, it might take ten years, and an opportunity will occur for them to revenge. You never know, anything will trigger it.

Right now, the Kikuyus might be killed and everybody is excited and it’s fine and it cools down. And even Kibaki can say he has given up the seat and it is fine, it cools down. But an opportunity one time will present itself and this will not be forgotten.

What needs to happen to build peace?

We are peace-loving country and God-fearing. It is said that over 80 percent of Kenyans are Christians. Even one of the things that came up in the campaign period was the issue of whether the leaders were Christians. Raila said he is a staunch Christian. President Kibaki said he is a staunch Catholic Christian. But I am asking, where are these pastors? Where are these pastors in Eldoret, Kalenjin pastors? Where is this Christianity?

I am shocked that pastors that had been preaching for us to be god-fearing, they are not coming out to condemn this. They are quiet as the work is being done. And when maybe everybody is down, they will come to bury us and say a very good prayer. Because in my opinion, there is an opportunity for the church to rise above politics and take its position.

How come this Christianity is not playing a role here?

Why can’t I hear a Kalenjin bishop or a Kalenjin father or a Kalenjin pastor or a Kalenjin Imam, for that matter, coming out and saying”No, our religion forbids killing women and children.” If it’s men, it’s another issue. You can claim they are combatants. And in any war, combatants die. But I don’t believe Christianity or Islam would agree for children and women to be killed in the house of God.

So peace-building, the church has to begin. Right now we don’t trust the political leadership. I want to confess and say, I have not seen Kibaki coming out to speak strongly about it. I want to tell you, I think Raila has said he is not concerned unless Kibaki resigns. The person who is the leader in our area, he is just quiet.

So, before the politicians can even sit, I would like to see the church coming out and putting their feet down. That is the first thing. The second thing, as we are speaking, you might get a report that the war has cooled down. But we have thousands of people camped at the police station and church compounds and they are starving to death. So as much as they were not pierced by the arrows at their farms, they are dying slowly.

If nothing is done for that, you will be lying to people, saying that there is peace. When there are two warring parties, it always takes a third party to come in and give reason. What we are observing is the international community being silent. We know that the international community is knowing what is happening. They are taking it lightly. We know the same mistake was done in Rwanda, whereby the Rwandese started killing each other, they cried out to the international community. The international community ignored them until up to a million Rwandans were dead. The same story is being repeated in Eldoret. This is genocide being done in Eldoret.

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87 Responses to “The Kalenjins In The Rift Valley: Someone is Helping Them”

  1. A sad story by patrick. But what is happening is a reaction of the people to the rigging by the Kibaki administration. Targeted are those who appear to support kibaki’s actions of election rigging, those from central. I dont support violence but how else can people express themselves if the power to vote does not work? I think PNU are the ones who committed the wrongs here. I think it rather simplistic to try blame ODM politicians. The people are simply reacting to PNU actions.

    The truth is that the Luo – Kikuyu rivalry has now become Kenyan – Kikuyu rivalry. Kibaki got majority votes in central and eastern only. And i suspect Kalonzo really got the majority in eastern.

    And I wonder who patrick voted for and who he belives today should be president today despite the fact that the election was clearly rigged.

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  2. esk

    U fucking imbecile of a despicable human being. If i cound reach out to cyberspace, i’d beat the living daylights out of you. What do you mean you don’t support violence yet are wondering how else people can express themselves?

    Not by wanton destruction of property and bloodletting. Did the children who were burnt vote, tally and rig the outcome? You don’t mess with women and children.
    PNU and ODM are both not credible, rigging took place on both sides. The poor common mwanainchi bears the brunt while being used as a pawn the fight for political supremacy. Do you think Raila or Kibaki or for any other politician cares?no, they retire to the comfort of their leafy suburbs and life is normal. Their kids are not dying nor do they lack anything.
    As we speak, the kikuyu are preparing to retaliate and you will witness bloodshed like no other. This is what our country has come to.

    If you can read, read this-may be it will dispell the hatred out of your evil soul.

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  3. MyTheory

    It’s January 5th and we still have people singing the ‘Rigging’ song. As has become blatantly clear, rigging was the order of the day on both sides – so it cannot and should not be used as an excuse… besides that story is now so 2007. We are well beyond that now and are the stage of reckoning and reconciliation.

    I too believe that the push for ethnic cleansing by the Kalenjin was more political than an expression of anger. I doubt just personal emotion over a vote would make you wake up and kill your neighbor! I’m certain their actions were fueled by external guarantees of benefitting from the aftermath.

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  4. kabesa

    It is simple. Kibaki should leave office. This is the only way we can have some semblance of peace. Those of us who have been forced to evacuate from the RV will come back soon. We went through this in the 90s. Whereas I am also a victim of this senseless violence, I have to acknowledge that Kibaki stole the vote and that triggered this cycle of violence. There are problems of land ownership that have not been addressed genuinely. I am sure this will happen again in future unless we seek serious solutions from serious people. But please let Kibaki resign. Tell him to go home; He has angered so many people.

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  5. esk:
    Ouch! tell me how you really feel.
    Kenocratic:
    The people’s reaction seems to be abnormal to me. Hacking people to death with a machete? what normal person does that?

    Mytheory:
    People don’t want to here the other side of the story. Your comments are safe from deletion on this blog.

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  6. paul

    I love you Kenya why are we breaking up?

    I have lived in naivasha, nakuru also schooled in different parts of the country and never gave a damn about realistic lines at all, never gave a damn bout the kikuyu, or luo or embu in short had no ill feelings to any tribe I mean am young and the group I know we do crack some jokes here and there along tribal lines but now nobody is, we cut it off due to what’s going on.

    what happened people, what is going on in Kenya, i sit here and ponder does me killing a kikuyu or I hear an embu help me, no no people no. and what’s with the burning of the church, i know we are of a third world country but a church you got to be kidding me, you playing right!

    my fellow Kenyan man we got to grow up i do know that racial lines, tensions will always be there that’s human but sometimes its human to think too. I have no clue how we are going to pull out of this but man if we do let the Lord ride us on this one.

    its a shame what we have come to burning little kids you mean little children u got to be kidding me I mean little children, they have no clue what’s going on. seriously what about the women who gave birth to us, the womb, you just stole that too.

    its a shame man its really a shame, do people sometimes print out this pictures, the gruesome pictures at the morgue, on the streets, alleys and worse of all carcasses of people so that these heinous crimes can be seen by all? and lets be honest here for a little bit each tribe has lost somebody right its just barbaric how these has happened.

    now lets talk about our two year old kids, our politicians who of course cannot think straight and know that lives are at stake here,. Mr. Kibaki you very well know you are not suppose to be there, you like a kid holding on to a candy stick. Sir please think of what’s going on and I mean right now. Your own people are dying and you think while you sit there at what you call state house give a sheepish address and go back helps. As these man gone out of that place anyway to the streets and seen what’s going on. Kenya is burning brother, Kenya is burning and who will pour in the water.

    Sir please please think I know you are a father think and think. If you keep sitting k have no clue then, you know Raila is not stupid to say I am going to court hello they aint go do nothing! and so will a recount help. Can you guy seek help from outside do something. Man kibaki was doing good till now. Is it really that hard to leave that famous sit for the sake of a brother living is it?

    My second born child raila you probably know that they might listen to you and I mean the protesters they are out there dying for you, why cant you walk out there and ask them to stop and I mean plead with them, its time to stop all this raila it is. One thing I do understand is I know the courts will fail you I totally agree but is there something else you can do. Peacefully!

    I love Kenya I do I really do love Kenya, we were doing so so good till now. Why Kenyans why, why did we have to bring mama African pride down why.

    Get up be proud and ask ourselves what are we really doing. Yeah I know something was wrong with the vote but we can stand up peacefully and cry ourselves out.

    By the way I am a kalenjin and proud of who I am, proud of those I have met, those I have befriended and those that loved and been loved by me. I love each one of you as a Kenya except for the barbaric creatures that slaughter little children that to me is extremely sickening and unforgivable. I put this on out high ranking officials remember that the honorable, misters and mistresses. Think and sleep thinking this is all on you.

    Love Kenya.

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  7. concerned

    Hey, I’m a born and bred kenyan asian. I’m very horrified what is happening in Eldoret and other parts of our country. My heartfelt sympathies to all the families who have and are still losing loved ones.

    STOP THESE UNNECESSARY KILLINGS! There is no excuse or justification for killing innocent kenyans. NONE WHATSOEVER!

    Stop pretending that all this turmoil is happening in the name of DEMOCRACY! Stop Pretending that burning churches, killing people on ethnic lines, burning their businesses and homes, driving them out of thier homes is a protest against democracy….

    You do not know what is DEMOCRACY! Pretenders! Murderers! What will you say when the tables are turned on you, a generation later?

    The correct democratic way to have handled all the objections is through peaceful means. The peaceful Million man March was a great idea but as was proved here in Nairobi on Thursday, peace was never a priority. Looting food stalls, breaking into shops, burning fuel stations was what is was about. I witnessed this first hand.

    The real genocide is taking place in Eldoret, as evident from the mortuary. Columns of cars leaving Eldoret is
    still going on. Maybe someone can EXPLAIN what is happening here in simple plain english! And don’t offer me that un-educated and un-civilised pathetic line on democracy is violence and it is okay to kill innocent people!

    We all need to stop this violence! We are all kenyans. We live, work, socialise together …. STOP THIS VIOLENCE!

    If anyone is in Eldoret or elsewhere, kindly provide us with regular updates on the situation there. Your voices must be heard so that the murderers know you are being heard!

    You whose family, brother, sister, mother have been killed. You are innocent, no matter what tribe.

    IT IS NOT WORTH IT! Dont be blind. PEACE is the only way forward.

    MAR.

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  8. Kiplagat

    lets get this thing over .. every one go back to your ancestral shags…. if constitution of kenya isnt fixed ….this will repeat as you know n politicians wll exploit our diff.. RAILA is the cure

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  9. “Kenocratic:
    The people’s reaction seems to be abnormal to me. Hacking people to death with a machete? what normal person does that?”

    Not me or you. But we are not talking about me or you. We are talking about people who hack thier own families over domestica squables. Mungiki who slay people for being on thier turf. Something is generally wrong with our culture. I personally blame politicians on both sides. I think we need new leaders who do not talk about issues by region.

    I agree with MyTheory in the sense that we cannot dwell on these issues . What would make Peace return? What would make the killings stop. The blame game should be ended. Would letting kibaki retain the presidency make the people stop being angry? Would Kibaki stepping down make them stop? would re-elections? Would it end if Rutu and Raila told them to stop fighting? Re-elections?

    I personally think that nothing short of an Re-election would satisfy the people. One where the scrutinty is so extreme that the results cannot be in doubt. In the meanwhile Let Kibaki have the presidency in the interim.

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  10. Although i still say Kibaki is more to blame than anyone for the violence.

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  11. MARS

    Hey bwana kiplagat.

    I’m sure the next thing you want is that all the Red Indians should ask all the Americans to go back to ireland etc… . Please dont use such words as ” go back to ancestral place ” , it is a big insult to humanity. You are a much bigger person than this. When we all kenyans sit down together, smile, joke, share our thoughts, business ideas, no one at that time is ever thinking of killing the other, no matter what your tribe or colur.

    On a more positive note, if Raila is the Cure and a true statesman, then I would openly scream that he should first come out publicy and STOP THE VIOLENCE! He seems to have the time working on the diplomacy efforts going on now but I have not heard of anything else.

    On the other hand, I’m dis-appointed with Kibaki’s lack of stopping this violence. He should have gotten in the security forces to disarm the murderers.

    My point here still remains the same as earlier : STOP KILLING THE INNOCENT! And don’t offer me that un-educated and un-civilised pathetic line on “democracy is violence and it is okay to kill innocent people” !

    POLE SANA, POLE SANA, POLE SANA……

    MARS

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  12. chego

    I wasnt in Kenya during the election time but I followed it very closely. I have read your comments here and everything is touching. Am so sorry for all those who lost their loved ones. I really feel ashamed now even to tell anyone that Iam a kenyan, it is very saddening,
    According to the way I saw, Kenyans voted peacefully and I was so proud of Kenya not untill the last minute at KICC. I would like to say that in Rift valley it is not only the Kikuyus who were targetted, even the Kalenjins who are pro-PNU were targetted, most of them were killed and their property destroyed except for those who managed to escape.I dont support these crimes and I wish that the ECK and JUDICIAL BODIES should be independent so that citizens can get justice in any situation they may be in. If these two are corrupt ………then we as Kenyans, where will we get justice, so I pray that the next government should work on this things otherwise the same scenario will repeat in five years time also I wonder who will go for the polls in 2012 if this things are not ironed out and there will be no development in Kenya, May God bless kenya.

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  13. tokom

    hey am really sorry for what happened but blame it on Kibaki how could he do such a thing…he should resign i mean almost all other tribes want another president only u guys and at least it should go by majority…i pray God remove him from Power.if he had won honestly i would support him but we are NO FOOLS

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  14. Joe

    Kibaki does not care about Kikuyu’s. He is sitting put in SH and they are being killed. Wake up and smell the coffee. Kibaki is not interested with peasant farmers. He’s only protecting his cronnies businesses in Nairobi.

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  15. Kinoo

    Are the strip clubs open in Nairobi? Everyone needs to take a chill pill. Raila/Kibaki all leaders Kenya does not need. Kalonzo what a snake during a crisis???

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  16. Kinoo:

    With all due respect, we cannot chill when women and children are being burnt alive in churces. Why do think kalonzo is a spineless snake?

    Kiplagat:

    Some of those Kikkuyu’s have been there since 1940. The RV is their ancestral land. No wonder you guys wanted that majimbo business – you thought people would be forcefully repatriated? I’m very sorry you bought Odinga’s lies.

    Mars:
    I am going to tell you why the violence in the RV caught Raila by surprise and why even Kibaki is having a hard time stopping in: they didn’t know it had been pre-planned until it was too late! I don’t think Raila even knew that would happen in the RV.

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  17. Kinoo

    Let me just make it clear. I don’t condon violence. Whats lost in the debate is common sense. If you believe ODM/PNU can solve the single outmost problem in Kenya, we are blind.

    Lets go back to 1963. The British left a big problem at hand. It was never resolved because in true african style, we tucked it under the carpet. Almost this problems deal with land ownership.
    After indepence,Land distribution was one sided with politicians taking the huge chunk of the most productive land. And if you know, land is the centralsource ofwealth in Kenya (eventhough thats changing now)

    One thing is sure,if you had vested interest inyour community,you would not burn anything of value. The Govt need to build something in the lines of housing projects for the poor and give them anoption to own. 6%economic growth is BS if only a few benefit.I believe Kenya is a great consumer society which with sound economic and social responsibily can continue to thrieve
    This out burst of violence will always occur. Politician are just catalyst.

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  18. shifta ni nani

    Is n’t it funny; that most of you here are denying the reality in kenya.This is acountry that was never meant to be.There is nothing in kenya that suggests kenyans were or will be united under one leader or constitution.I know i sound rude,prude or even crude,but hey don’t be so shocked i merely mentioned like its.

    Forget about this election,How about we talk about the reality for some kenyans you never really bothered or even pretended to care about.

    Do u know that the most armed and potentially the most war hardened tribe in kenya has been marginallised for the last 30yrs.
    Do you think that the tribes in northern kenya should be neglected and marginalised for 30yrs and still expect them to say we are proud to be kenyans.How will you explain to the somalis or boranas that they do not deserve a single mile of paved road let alone of tarmac road and still expect them to scream nyayo juu or kazi endelea or whatever the heck its ?

    Before this election did you ever questioned the government,on why your fellow kenyans were and are still treated like second class citizens?Were you with them all the way or maybe half the way ?Oh come on don’t be a such aliar and say “i was busy fighting for the national cake”.I can smell aliar from amile and once i do,i stay there period

    Why are you screaming foul play now,is it because your tribe is threatened or your tribe is robbed of presidency?

    Oh please, don’t tell me you never heard of a province in kenya with no single mile of tarmac road.?How long do you think those folks will be patient before they pull the trigger and turn their huge supply of guns on the south,”Ati sisi pia tanatake national cake” …….based on what you know now,what will be your answer then?

    Finally let me say that i do not wish death upon anyone nor do i condone violence,however unlike most of you here, im not really that surprised of the “newly” discovered violent nature of kenyans.Just thank God that its only stones and pangas flying around instead of rpgs and machine guns.
    Have apanga free day

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  19. Shifta ni wasomali:

    Yes – The Somali’s and Borana’s have been neglected for years and they too have a history of violent ethnic clashes amongst each other, but hopefully, with the improved economic climate, which is now in doubt, things will improve for them.

    I don’t know why people thought that 5 years was enough time to bring those poverty numbers down. Remember, Moi was in power for 24 years! Even in India, it took them a good 10 years of posting solid economic growth BEFORE they started to see a reduction in the poverty numbers.

    Now Raila’s hooligans have jeopardized the country’s economic gains in the name of “democracy” and “freedom”. Very stupid of them, very stupid.

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  20. mungiki

    WELL WELL WELL I HATE TO SAY THIS BUT IT HURTS ME TO SEE PEOPLE GO AFTER KIKUYUS AND YET WE NEVER KILLED COMPLAINED WHEN MOI WAS IN POWER FOR 24 YRS. HE TRIED TO FINISH US IN SO MANY WAYS BUT WE SURVIVED. OUR BROTHERS AND SISTERS ARE BEING KILLED BY RAILA AND HIS CRONIES AND WE ARE LEARNING PRETTY QUIK OF WHAT WILL HAPPEN IN 2012. LET ME TELL YOU ALL WE WILL FIGHT FOR SURVIVAL AND ITS GOING TO BE A LONG PROCTATED BATTLE. RAILA STARTED THIS WITH RUTO WE KNOW AND WE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT ONCE AND FOR ALL. THE BATTLE LINES HAVE BEEN DRAWN. IT WILL TAKE A WHILE BUT WE WILL OVERCOME.
    PEACE BE WITH YOU ALL

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  21. ssy

    What Kenya need now is healing, whichever way this thing swing, there is a very big divide, at the moment what might work is a coalition govt to bring all the tribes together, maybe they need to implement Prime Minister thing after all and reduce the power of the president.

    Some of you are still issuing threats, do you think that will help? if you retaliate, they will retaliate back and who suffers, it might be your innocent relative. Hatred will never solve anything please get it right.

    Where is the Kenyan Church? they need to champion this

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  22. mungiki

    Kalonzo Musyoka: 7.38pm 06 Jan -08

    * Truth be told, PNU and ODM were involve in election rigging, ODM – K agents were not allowed in Nyanza .
    * He does not support international mediation
    * I urged Kivuitu to announce presidential results if this is seen as presurising let it be so.

    EVERYBODY KNOWS THIS HAPPENDED SO WHAT IS RAILA SAYING. HE GOT BEAT TO HIS GAME AND RIGHT NOW HE IS CRYING. HE RAISED 2 BILLION TO FIGHT THE KIKUYU AND RIGHT NOW HE IS CRYING. ALL THAT MONEY AND ENERGY AND YET HE DID NOT REACH HIS GOAL. THATS WHY KIBAKI IN NOT GOING ANYWHERE PRETTY SOON TILL 2012 SO RAILA WE HAVE YOUR NUMBER. YOU PREACHED HATE KIKUYUS. KIKUYUS THIS, KIKIUYU THAT WE JUST RULED FOR 5 YRS MOI 24 YRS ARE YOU SAYING KALENJIN THIS KALENJIN THAT?? WE HAVE YOUR NUMBER. YOU WILL NEVER BE PRESIDENT. 2012 WILL BE KALONZOS HE IS HE SOBER LEADER. YOUR FILLED WITH FILTH AND HATE. I WILL POST YOUR MEMO COMPILED BY YOUR LUO’S FRIENDS TO GANG UP ON KIKUYU’S AND GUESS WHAT IT WORKED BUT YOU LOST YOUR ULTIMATE GOAL “THE PRESIDENT” YOU ARE EVIL YOU HAVE A SCORE TO SETTLE BUT WE WILL PREVAIL. MOI WAS SMART HE TRIED IT FOR 24YRS BUT FAILED WHO ARE YOU TO THINK YOU CAN?? GEMA STOOD UP AND FOUGHT AND WON 2012 IS NOT FAR WAIT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS..

    #43392
  23. ssy

    HEY MY FRIEND THE OWNER OF THIS BLOG

    DESIST FROM THESE KINDS OF DISCUSSIONS, THE WOUNDS ARE STILL RAW, PEOPLE ARE STILL VERY ANGRY, YOU BRING THESE TRIBAL DIFFERENCES DISCUSSION, YOU ARE NOT HELPING AT ALL.

    YOU CAN SEE FROM ALL THE COMMENTS POSTED HERE, THE DEVIDE IS TOO BIG, EVERYONE IS ON THE BLAME GAME , THAT WONT SOLVE ANYTHING

    MY ADVICE DELETE THIS DISCUSSION AND START SOMETHING LIKE “WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE”

    #43395
  24. EagleEye

    You all talk about this nonsense happening in kenya with alot of passion, but step back for a moment and ask how can we stop the violence?
    Do you recall this words “ODM FORCE”????
    Now if you do thats where the problem is, my insights shows that this was a well informed group of individuals instructed to carry out the acts of Raila and Ruto; to light up the cleansing process and hopefully have everyone of their supporters continue with this act of violence. Fortunately most kenyans are not killers by nature and very few people even though regretable have die. Now ODM’s hope have literally vanished and what this teaches all of us, you cannot effect a civil war in Kenya. ODM is trying to hold its position since they know their foot soldiers- EXECUTION SQUARD’S will be served with justice very soon, the laws are very clear. Now ODM supporters are running away from Raila and Ruto because they just realized that they were not told the real plan of action: MASSACRE to pressure everyone into submission.
    So when addressing this issue please sober up and point out the real executioners around us, not all luos killed neither all Kalenjins, it was a few well identifiable individuals. The truth will stop the violence. Lets go bring them to justice. “ODM FORCE” must be stopped.

    #43396
  25. mungiki

    SSY

    AMKENYAN I LOVE IT . YOU DONT KNOW WHAT MY PEOPLE HAVE GONE THROUGH WITH RAILA’S HATE CAMPAIGN . I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. AM AT PAINS TO SEE WHATS GOING THROUGH. I HATE THIS DUDE. HE EXPECTS TO LEAD WITH HIS RETORIC HALLO. 24 YRS WE WERE CASTIGATED WE KNOW HOW IT FEELS TO BE ON THE OTHER SIDE. SO LET ME TALK AND VENT IT MAKES ME FEEL GOOD. ALL THE BLOGS OUT THEIR AND PRO ODM. SO WHAT THE HELL LET ME TALK. THE MEDIA IS TO BLAME TOO THEY FUNNELLED THE HATE IT WENT OUT OF CONTROL NOW THEY ARE OUT PREACHING PEACE F*** THEM. SO I HAVE A RIGHT TO SAY THIS NO MATTER HOW IT COMES OUT.

    #43397
  26. mungiki

    Provoking Kikuyu

    By attacking Kikuyu, Embu and Meru individuals who live and work in Luoland, Ingo, Rift Valley and Mwambao, you may succeed only in provoking the Kikuyu and consanguine communities to take revenge upon the Luo, Luhya, Kalenjin and Mwambao individuals who live in Central Province and the northern parts of Eastern.

    In other words, because you have no brain, you — the murderous Luo, Luhya, Kalenjin and Mijikenda hooligans — are unaware that you are gravely endangering the lives of your own kind – many of them relatives – who otherwise have lived peaceful lives among the communities whom you demonise with such alacrity.

    #43401
  27. ssy

    YOU SEEM LIKE A VERY ASTUTE INDIVIDUAL YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER THAT THIS HATE WILL MAKE YOU
    STEREOTYPED AND TRIBAL TO A DEGREE YOU WILL BE MISERABLE

    WHY ARE YOU CALLING YOURSELF MUNGIKI?
    KENYANS HAVE TO COME TOGETHER, THAT CALL HAS TO BE LOUDER NOW THAN EVER, YOU CAN HELP IT OR BREAK IT THE CHOICE IS YOURS

    REMEMBER IF YOU SOW HATRED, YOU REAP HATRED, IF YOU SOW LOVE YOU GET LOVE, THAT IS A PRINCIPLE THAT WORKS, TRY IT

    #43402
  28. mungiki

    I CALL MYSELF MUNGIKI SINCE WE HAVE CALLED THEM UP TO DEFEND AND PROTECT OUR OWN IN THE TIME OF NEED GENOCIDE IS GOING ON AND LEADERS ARE PRETENDING IT S NOT. THIS IS THE TIME WE NEED THEM MOST. WE HAVE ALREADY ACTIVATED THEM WITH A VENGENCE. LET ME TELL YOU. IN AFRICA YOU NEED A STRONG LEADER WHO CAN WITH STAND CRITIQUE LIKE MOI DID IN 24 YRS. WE NEED SOME ONE LIKE MICHUKI WHO WILL NOT TAKE ANY CRAP FROM STUPID LEADERS. WE NEED A LEADER WHO AFRICANS KNOW THAT HE CAN BE NICE NA D HE CAN BE STRONG IN CHARACTER IF NOT YOU ARE DOOMED. KIBAKI LET RAILA AND HIS CRONIES RUN THE SHOW AND NOW WE ARE SUFFERING.ODM LEADERS HAVE NO CHARACTER.SO AS I SAID MUNGIKI WILL PROTECT US LIKE THE LOU HAVE THEIR STONE THROWERS AND RUTO HIS KALENJIN ARMY. SO KEEP WATCHING THE NEWS YOU WILL GET MY DRIFT. THEY DREW THE 1ST BLOOD ALL WE ARE DOING IS PROTECTING LIFE ITS A CONSTITUTIONAL , GOD GIVEN RIGHT. WHEN YOUR GOVT CAN PROTECT YOU THEN EVEN IN A COURT OF LAW YOU WILL WALK FREE IF YOU WERE PROTECTING YOUR SELF.

    #43403
  29. mungiki

    This is not a genocide?

    I have spoken to a number of Kenyans who think this is not a genocide. They say that this is just political violence that is as a result of Kibaki stealing the election. Others say that a genocide can only be committed by a government and not the opposition. These sentiments have been echoed by some international media houses.

    We heard the same sentiments expressed in the Rwanda genocide. The press found excuses to explain the slaughter. In April 1994, schools in Kenya were closed for the April. I remember reading that the Hutu extremists attacking Tutsi’s because a Hutu president had been killed in a plane crash. The savage reaction by the Hutus was seen as a justified way of showing anger. The international community watched and hoped that everything would calm in a few days. They were wrong.

    Months leading to the genocide, hate media had dehuminized the Tutsi refering them as cockroaches. In 1993, Kangura -a Hutu extremist newspaper- published an article titled “A cockroach cannot give birth to a butterfly.”

    #43404
  30. mungiki

    GENOCIDE???????

    ‘They looted all the shops that belong to Kikuyus and Kisiis. Then they broke into the rented off-campus houses of students and then a crowd of about 1,000 people surged to the university gate and shouted that they wanted to storm the university.

    They demanded that all Kikuyus, Kambas, Meru, and Kisii people leave the university within two hours. That was the only way to save the university from being stormed.

    They said they would stay at the gate until their demands were met. Three armed policemen arrived and spent time negotiating with the crowd. Finally the police advised us to evacuate the named ethnic groups.

    We put those faculty and students, numbering about 250, into three university vehicles and they were taken to Kapsabet Police station under police escort. They are still there.’

    #43406
  31. Please refrain from using all caps in your comments. It’s irritating to read a post written in all caps.

    SSY:
    This blog is not for people who can’t handle raw honesty (go to kenyanpundit if you want to shed tears and talk about Mahatma Gandhi). Handle it girl, handle it.

    I am in the middle of composing another essay on how Kibaki is going to deal with this problem in the RV and I will tell you why Kalonzo has switched sides and you will see why we can’t just forgive and forget.

    When 300,000 people are forcefully and violently displaced in a matter of days, it is not spontaneous. They started something that spiraled out of control and they are going to pay the price.

    #43411
  32. mungiki

    GENOCIDE?????

    qoute from okello

    “It is the first time I ever killed,” said Okelo, who is about 20. “I never imagined it would come to this. It was not a planned thing at all.

    “I was angry. When you are angry, it’s easy.”

    “It’s Kenya versus Kikuyus. We are slaughtering them and we will keep slaughtering them. It will go on and on and on in all parts of the country. It will be war. Religious leaders have been preaching peace. Peace, peace! But there’s no justice,” he said.

    #43414
  33. mungiki

    JJ

    another brain washed luo how sad. now his people are going to suffer for a while. then they will say we are marginalised kenyans. look at kisumu they burn all the shops and now they want AID from the govt. how stupid can a community get. i think its a curse from GOD

    #43415
  34. mungiki

    The Eldoret Massacre was the single most deadly event in the ongoing genocide. Women and children who had taken shelter in a church were burnt to ashes in broad daylight. The killers blocked all exits before setting the church on fire.

    After a long silence about the genocide that is going on, Maina Kiai came out to defend rights of Raila Odinga’s supporters to hold a protest. Newspaper reports covering the Raila protests quoted some Raila supporters confessing of slaughtering Kikuyus. The protestors promised to continue the killings until Raila Odinga is installed as president.

    Maina Kiai’s selective interpretation of human rights is like spitting and the face of the victims. Didn’t Maina Kiai and his organization find the lives of innocent Kenyans worth a two sentence statement?

    Maina Kiai is paid by the Kenyan citizens to advocate for the rights of the down trodden. He has opted to protect the interests of politicians instead because it pays handsomely. It boosts your ego when you mingle with the high and the mighty.

    #43416
  35. mungiki

    Kenyan Genocide

    Kenya tea estate looted, workers flee

    06 Jan 2008 16:30:27 GMT
    Source: Reuters

    KERICHO, Kenya, Jan 6 (Reuters) – Looters in one of Kenya’s major tea-growing areas in the Rift Valley struck Unilever’s Chebown tea estate in a bout of post-election violence, causing workers at it and all the surrounding farms to flee.

    A Reuters photographer at Unilever’s Chebown tea estate said looters torched the farm’s tractors and trucks, looted and burned its storage facility and tried to burn the tea plants, but were foiled by cold, moist weather. All of the labourers, who come from the Kisii tribe, had fled that farm and others nearby after attacks by members of the local Kalenjin tribe targeting them, the Reuters photographer said.

    Kisiis are seen as supporting President Mwai Kibaki, whom the opposition accuses of rigging a hotly contested election, which plunged the country into a week of violence. Some Kalenjins support the opposition, and mobs of young Kalenjin men have gone on a rampage across the Rift Valley, targeting tribes seen as pro-government.

    The government has called some of the killing genocide plotted by the opposition. The opposition rejects that. Previous elections in the Rift Valley have seen ethnic clashes ignited by politicians keen to shore up their support.

    #43418
  36. Sijui

    KE, I don’t understand this logic ” to stem the insecurity Kibaki must stay”………

    As far as I am concerned, GEMA communities and Kibaki sympathizers have most to loose with a prolonged clinging to power. Ethnic tensions whether warranted or reasonable have been brewing for a long time and frankly this election could have been the perfect outlet for Kikuyus to rebuff the ethnic scapegoating……let all those disgruntled tribes fight it out at the ballot box and let them get the government they deserve and the broken promises they will deliver….

    Kenyans overwhelmingly followed that rationale and voted with their feet, Kikuyus lost the battle of ideas plain and simple. What is unconscionable is for people to be told to settle their tribal grieviances at the ballot box peacefully, and then when they do so to have their democratic right usurped. Hence the reason why enraged Kenyans have descended in to the abyss.

    Can you blame them? As a Mmeru myself I find the following argument put forth by many of the blood thirsty youth in Kibera compelling….” Kikuyus will not vote for anyone else yet when others vote for someone other than them they are incapable of accepting that verdict……” Does that give anyone the right to chop up fellow citizens, NO IT DOES NOT, hence the reason why the illegitimate Kibaki government MUST GO! Kibaki does not command the respect of majority of the country and any initiatives on their part to stamp legitimacy will only fuel the bloodletting…….law enforcement can best put a band aid on the seething political turned tribal retribution now uncorked.

    #43431
  37. I keep on seeing these posts from people trying to blame kibaki or raila for the violence. Some go to the extent of saying it was justified because of rigging or lack or rigging.

    Killing a child and women in a church is the sort of democracy I have never seen anywhere in the world.

    Killing children is a part of democracy I will never support. In fact I’d rather see a rigger than a child killer.

    It is morose and uncouth to rape women and kill children in the name of democracy.

    It is shameful to see bloggers who support ODM trying to justify the burning and looting of Kenyans as a legitimate way to overthrow a government.

    It is a day of shame for anyone who really supports democracy to condone or give any excuse to the destruction of property.I just heard on BBC an asian woman asking how a business she has been running for 30 yrs could be destroyed in 3 hrs. All in the name of democracy.

    If this is democracy, then give me a dictatorship.

    After all this we see the people who are suffering are the people in Kibera ,lining up for relief food, eldoret with all the investors leaving. Luhyas, kisiis, kikuyus, and asians as refugees in uganda. Kisumu is one place I will never go to for as long as I live and any human being I ever meet will be encouraged to do the same.

    Killing people in the name of democracy is something that I cannot live with or entertain.

    #43434
  38. Rufus the golden buddha

    Majority Groups

    * Kĩkũyũ 22%
    * Luhya 12%
    * Luo 11%
    * Swahili 9.5%
    * Kalenjin 8%
    * Kamba 8%
    * Kisii 5%
    * Ameru 5%
    * Embu 1.5%
    * Maasai 1.5%
    * Somali 1%
    * Turkana 1%
    * Taita 0.7%
    * Samburu 0.5%

    The percentage indicates the tribe’s proportion of the population of Kenya.

    Minority Groups

    * Bajuni
    * Bukusu
    * Isukha
    * Kore
    * Kuria
    * Maragoli
    * Marama
    * Miji Kenda
    * Ogiek
    * Orma
    * Oromo
    * Pokomo
    * Rendille
    * Suba
    * Tachoni
    * Taveta
    * Yaaku

    #43464
  39. martin moses

    Raila & Co have deliberately stoked the fires on anti-Kikuyuism as a means of
    attaining political power. They raised more than 2 billion
    I have the authentic copy of the ODM strategy document dated
    September 8, 2007. The core strategy was to market hatred to other
    Kenyan tribes against Kikuyu’s. To execute this strategy effectively,
    ODM recruited Raila, Balala, Ntimama, Ruto, and Mudavadi as the
    primary marketers. Ngilu came into the mix later. The mayhem and the
    murderous rampages in Kenya today result from the dirty marketing that
    these politicians instilled in the minds of the tribal electorates.
    This is the reason you see that many
    tribes in Kenya have turned against Kikuyus with the goal of total
    annihilation. It means the campaign was not based on issues but tribal
    hatred.
    If you want a copy shoot me an email at kpimp69juice@yahoo.com and I will shoot you a copy.

    #43474
  40. Sijui:

    I have been saying for a few days that the point about Kibaki rigging the election is now moot. The violence has rendered it moot. You cannot displace 300,000 people ON PURPOSE and not expect retaliation. The Kalenjin masterminds in the Rift Valley have stoked this problem with their savagery and thuggery and they will be a response, which I will be talking about in my next post.

    People need to start being brutally honest about what is about to happen in the Rift Valley. You simply cannot allow people to hack you to death and humiliate you like that. Never, ever, ever. If these events have radicalized me, I can’t imagine what they have done to already radicalized people like Michuki and Kiraitu.

    Rufus:
    Thanks for that breakdown. I don’t think alot of kenyans know what groups exist in their country and what the breakdown is.

    #43490
  41. MARS

    Hey kenyanentreprenuer, thnks for the explanation earlier.

    thnks for keeping this blog as open as it is!

    Everyone in this blog has a right to talk about the issues going on.. there is no denying that within a week in our country, we have :

    1) Innocent kenyans have been murdered
    2) Inncocent kenyans have been forced out of their homes & businesses
    3) Innocent kenyans have been made refugees within thier own country
    4) Innocent kenyans had to flee for their lives

    To those who are still pretending that violence was not pre-planned, here a small reminder :

    At the KICC on the 30th of Dec, they went on air and said this :
    ” Lets all remain calm UNTIL the results are announced”
    If you doubt me, please go over the TV footages and you will see this quote over and over again.

    I was here in nairobi and can tell you that within minutes of the election results announcement, most parts of Nairobi were bellowing in black smoke….

    Everyone has a right to defend themselves and their properties against murderers.

    BUT, PLEASE, DONT become the opressors! You all are educated, knowlegdeable, wise and merciful.

    We all will not be able to fix all the problems created by colonialsim and dictatorship in just one day.

    Give Peace a complusory chance. Tthe murderes must be punished in a court of law. I hope those affected have been able to document the atrocities commited against them and by whom because justice must be done!

    We all must stop the killings. There is no excuse!

    For those who believe that their democratic process was hijacked, it is your right to protest peacefully and you will earn the respect and trust of kenyans. But you have no right to kill your friend, neighbour, families who did not vote for your candiate. You must shun the murderers and bring them out in the open so that justice can be done.

    RESPECT everyone’s right to co-exist.

    My heart is still with those who are in the troubled areas…

    MARS

    #43510
  42. Karo

    I am a Kikuyu, I cannot start to tell you what I think as of now, I truly think God is punishing us, I think God has favored us for a long time and he still does, But He loves us, thats why he is punishing us. I cannot say that I know the way to solve this situation, I cannot say that Kibaki should stay or resign, but I do know I do not Want Raila as our President., He is of the Devil, He should never be allowed to rule any country in the world, let along Kenya.
    In my being, I feel some kind of fulfillment to know that the Kikuyu will soon be taking revenge, they certainly have the capabilities of doing so, they can even invade the rift valley in a matter of days. But, But….. My spirit and soul tells me otherwise. I know the hardest thing to do right now is to forgive them. But I already have, and peace has come back to me. God favors us because we are not the same as they are, they left their God along time ago, But the Kikuyu have kept to theirs. But as of lately we have abandoned God and united over our other god, i.e Kibaki, who to us he can do no wrong.
    But I believe this will pass, And because the Kikuyu are blessed to the point that the whites call us the Jews of Kenya. We will come back up stronger than before, You can take our land and belongings, burn our possessions, kill and rape our women and children, but I certainly know, You cannot take God’s favor away from us, no matter how much you rant. God has only for a while taken his protection away from us, but when we repent and come back to him, He will soon come back to protect us, and no one will touch us then, you will not even here of those clamishes again. God help us through this and may he protect us and bless us. God bless Kenya and the Kisii’s, Meru’s and Kamba’s. God bless us indeed.

    #43530
  43. At least we now know what majimbo would have meant for Kenyans in RV and Coast.

    #43533
  44. Iman Kidyo

    I am from Rift Valley and I know what drives the Kalenjin resentment against Gikuyus.

    It is to do with land and organized Gikuyu crime. The systematic retrenchment of Kalenjins from government employment and stiffling of Kalenjin institutions during the first and second years of the Kibaki administration are also to blame. So much to the extend that the Eldoret Airport was closed by John Michuki, on the ground that it was the most corrupt airport in Kenya!

    Most people, including their new found allies, the Luo, mistake Kalenjins for fools. For a while, when Moi was the president, I observed many of my Gikuyu friends pouring insults on me, simply because I was a Kalenjin. And their take – that Kalenjins would see dust when Moi is out of power. Kibaki was heading towards this direction but changed course as soon as he was humilated at the referendum. From then onwards, he started reaching to the Kalenjins. But the damage had been done. The current turmoil would have been averted if Kenyatta had heeded the late Jean Marienne Seroney. But Kenyatta detained him and foisted the leat educated Moi as the leader of the Kalenjins, with the sole intention of packing Rift Valley with Gikuyus.

    Kalenjins are mild people by nature but are extremely wild when provoked and they never forgive. The worst thing is that they are difficult to understand because they never express themselves with the kind of eloquence that the Gikuyu and the Luo use. These are people who rarely take insults lying down but the more eloquent communities win all the time because instant appeal has become the secret for success. But it is not always true.

    Those who were retrenched and told to the face to go and herd cows found a new occupation – they went and prepared for the big fight – which they won during the just concluded elections – Kibaki was annihilated despite the support he got from former president, Daniel arap Moi, who has now been reduced to irrelevance.

    It seems they also had back-up plan – that it would be war if Kibaki rigged elections. The results are there for everyone to see.

    I am a Kalenjin and I am an educated Kalenjin and I am a proud Kalenjin. The answer to solving the current empasse is not in hiding behind curtains. The solution is in addressing the real issues that affect local Gikuyu-Kalenjin relations, which cannot be decided by cabals like John Michuki and Mwai Kibaki. Kalenjins have much in common with the Gikuyus but I think Gikuyus misundertand people. Does it not occur to you all that an average Kalenjin would NEVER marry a Luo girl? What then changed so fast? It is Gikuyu cabal behaviour and the fact that cabals like Kibaki and John Michuki have have hijacked their destiny.

    As for the church burnig issue, let me remind you that Kalenjins would never kill a child or a woman even during war, let alone burn a church. The explanation is that the average Kalenjin knows a Gikuyu as someone who is either a thieve or extremely cunning. So they were burning thieves, not Gikuyus. Thieves and hardcore criminals from Langas in Eldoret town are known to kill and maim people during peace time – numerous Kalenjin upcoming entrepreneurs and tycoons have been killed by Gikuyus or hired Gikuyu goons.

    For those Gikuyus who would dare come back to Rift Valley, I have one piece of advise. Please make sure that you do not harbour criminals amidst you – those Gikuyus who go to Kalenjin villages to steal from and kill rich and influential Kalenjins. Resentment over ownership of land by outsiders and their involvement in ghastly crimes is what drives the recruitment of thousands and thousands of warriors – they just want to clear the area. Or why else would Kalenjins bother enter into urban areas such as Langas in Eldoret town? Langas is a known crime factory. Where were the fathers of these children and the husbands of those women who were reduced to ashes in the church?

    So stop scandalizing Kalenjins and come to your senses. Kibaki just gave them an opportunity to settle a problem that has been pending for a long time. Kibaki played his dirty games and Kalenjins played their own dirty games. If we can accept that Kibaki is the president, why can’t we accept that Kalenjins did a wonderful job? Most Gikuyus will escape because they have the eloquence and they expect the Kalenjins to be stigmatized.

    In the 1990s, you stigmatized the Kalenjins and you said that it is because of Moi. Gikuyus should be grateful to Moi and they should also blame Moi and Kenyatta because they would not have found themselves in the situation they are finding themselves now. Those who were clever realized that they are sitting on a volcano and left a long time ago. It is the fools and the big-headed ones that waited for the volcano to erupt. And they are blaming Ruto and Raila.

    Be better informed and realize that right to settle everywhere in Kenya comes with responsibility. If you go to Rome, do as the Romans do. In particular, refrain your fast mouths from raining insults on the more quite and peaceful Kalenjins because they are extremely wild people when their rage goes out of hand. It seems they know why they are keeping quite.

    I would also like to challenge all of you here to study and report to the world the victims of Kalenjin brutalities especially with respect to crimes against children and women, including rape victims. These are things that are expressly prohibited in Kalenjin manhood; I call upon the so called Mungiki to set such high standards to its own warriors because I don’t think we are going anywhere else any soon and as long as Kibaki and John Michuki are still there.

    #43558
  45. KE

    Iman Kidyo:

    That is a very interesting piece (I even read it twice).

    #43565
  46. MARS

    Bwana Iman….WOW! so much hate and revenge in your words above!

    It seems that you are carrying the entire wrongful burden of this world! Maybe you can also throw in some comments about how the palestine and israel problem should be resolved! I’m sure they would learn a few things from you about justifications and murder! I’m sure your solution to that problem is one sided!

    Your words have all said it… I’m very disappointed with your educated analysis. It’s the same old sad story……

    I feel very sorry for you. I really do…..

    I also feel very sorry for all those who lost their lives under the pretences of mob justice murder!

    Please don’t carry so much hate and revenge in your hearts…

    You are also a fellow kenyan, just like me. Stop the violence! Stop killing innocent people. Stop the tribal segregation! TAFHADHALI!

    MARS

    #43574
  47. EagleEye

    Imam Kidyo

    Am impressed by your writing , but I have to wonder aloud do the Kalenjins really believe that the kikuyus will leave Rift Valley for good? For your case why don’t you advocate for a “mental evolution” where you need to enlighten your people that we live in a borderless world and especially if you are in Kenya.
    I think that you need to bring more Kalenjins to classrooms and education institutions for enlightenment. That was the only gift that the muzungu left the kikuyu with education. It seems 24yrs of power was not enough to bring 3million Kalenjins to light. What are your suggestions people?

    “ODM FORCES” MUST BE STOPPED
    Point out the executioners, for justice to be served. The Law must be observed

    #43598
  48. Kajohnie

    I am shocked to read the comments of all those Kalejin Neanderthals.I had been persuaded that what we see in RV is the work os some illiterate youths.Now I know better.But know this,The Kikuyus have now no doubt who their enemy is.Remember the stae of Israel.Being surrounded by hostile Arabs has only made them Stronger.The Hutus today walk with bowed heads in Rwanda.When people are threatened wiyh Genocide,the have no choice but to Emberge 100 times stronger.Just Watch!

    #43768
  49. thoya

    Most of these blogs are missing one thing where are raila’s,ruto’s bvalala’s kibaki’s etc kids when the rest of us rae supposed to be marching ?this violence was never spontaneous it was planned observe that the only ODM Mp with the guts to go to visit displaced people was anyang Nyongo.Here in Mombasa Balala drove past them camped in the Airport grounds but had time to visit ODM supporters who were shot while looting.The only dawa is to have a new election without raila or kibaki standing, and arrest all the planners of this violence

    #43783
  50. Anonymous

    this problem is actually about economic ;poor people ,rich people ;haves and have not ,believe me if the economy was well distributed and poeple had something to worry about kibaki could have stolen all he wants but poeple will just grunt and go back to thebussiness like nothing happened,but now its like oh no! sasa sisi tumenyanganywa nafasi ya kujipatia?na hawa wamekuwa wakiku…..la ah!
    well if you get the point.Thousands displaced hundreds killed,well if you scoring for your respective community pole laana kubwa imetuangukia.It will not go away. kesho tena this very wound will be sored revenge legal avenues reconciliation the choices at hand.

    #43931
  51. kip

    i think kikuyus deserve what they got; that is what happens when you steal and for the assertion you will kill the kalenjin like the hutus, bring it on. if was in eldoret i will personally set the church ablaze. fuck all kikuyus

    #44179
  52. KE

    Kip:

    You don’t help your cause by writing such simple statements. If you look at the other comments from the Kalenjins on this board, they have clearly and articulately spelled out what their grievances are and in many ways, their posts have been quite enlightening in terms of showing us where the other side is coming from and what they are thinking.

    So, I’m going to give you one more chance to re-write your comment above and make it more substantive.

    #44257
  53. kalegirl

    I am Kalenjin and i am proud of my heritage.

    However, i am saddened by the comments of Kip and Iman….i am forced to ask, are you educated? You talk like warriors sharpening their bows and arrows going to war. Tafadhali, let us be civilized here. I grew up in Eldoret my whole life…i know nothing else. My neighbours have been kikuyus, luos, kales etc…we have never had a problem. However, Ruto and Raila have taken this opportunity to brainwash the simple kalenjin man into believing that blood must be shed to get our land back. Who said it was our land? Someone wisely said earlier, do you want the americans to go back to ireland so that the indians can have their land. And then again i ask, once we have our land, what will we do with it?? Do we have an economic and financial plan that will improve our impoverished lives? Im soo sad to say that we have lost direction. We do not even know why we are fighting for this land. We will end up like Zimbabwe, so much land, zero production. Tell me, can the regular kemei given 100acres of land know what to do with it??

    #44798
  54. Chamge

    Kyuks with their empty rhetoric ..their have so much bullshit ..KE..is just one dude with such crap filled up in his head giving threats that Kyuks will retailaite…if you have been watching kalles the news of late..Kalles are generally cool guyz but their tempers can be uncontrollable if you despise them…no problem you think kalles are that stupid they know that kyuks will retailatte but are kyuks ready for the outcome..if anything they must be waiting for that coz that would be the sweetest war..am a peaceful loving kalle but just like any other kalle i dont take insults laying down..mungiki should go to RV and try the kalle warriors if they think they are man enough…kalle warriors just go for kyuk men thats who war goes …if democracy cannot be fought through the ballot then how ??shd we wait another 5 years Ukuru shikas then what?????we are not stupid ….then KE and the likes add insults to injury by saying we should use the courts ..we were not born yesterday if eck could be manipulated ..what abt the courts..have no problem with the local kyuk fellow..my main problem is just your undying support for goons like Kibaki ..if Kalles can even oppose Mzees like Moi when we see him doing wrong ..you guyz just clamour support for the Kibakistans who are busy reaping from the economy..left right and center.. TRIBALIST INDEED…kyuks just need to respect other tribes equally then they will earn their respect and live with other kenyans peacefully

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  55. Mungish

    I have analysed the situaton in Rift valley and as a person who has worked and lived in Rwanda. I can confidently say that there is no big difference between the extremist hutus in Rwanda and our fellow countrymen so called Kalenjins. To begin with they are still living in the dark age so that is why they’re being brainwashed to commit genocide, Secondly they are cowards that is why they are attacking helpless people who cannot defend themselves. And you know what happened in Rwanda it took the Tutsi army of RPF who are the minority 15% less than two months to capture Rwanda and chase all those hutu extremists out of Rwanda. And where are they now? they are living in the Congo forest with the animals because that is where they belong. Usimwone simba amenyeshewa ukadhania ni paka.

    #46671
  56. KE

    Chamge:

    I am amazed at the anger being displayed by Kalenjins. When did Kalenjins ever oppose moi? and for your information, Moi was the one who destroyed Kenya’s economy and you didn’t see Kikuyu’s going around hacking Kalenjins to death (we took it for 24 years! and only started fighting back to defend our lives when you decided to hack us in 92 and again in 97).

    I never, ever, would have guessed that Kalenjins were this backward, this primitive and this violent. You know why? because I just assumed that with Moi at the helm for 24 years, he would really have helped “modernize” the Kalenjins by providing them with all sorts of favors like scholarships, jobs, businesses, etc, etc..

    And another thing. So what if Kibaki is firing Kalenjins from government posts? that’s the game of politics (especially when you’ve been in power for 24 years and are blamed for screwing up the countries economy). It happened to Kikuyu’s systematically for 24 years.

    The more I think about this, the more I realize just what a total screw-up moi was. He didn’t even help his own Kalenjin brethren.

    #46680
  57. KE,
    Still showing off your ignorance! Moi did not destroy the Kenyan economy, you will have to find a broader set of reasons than that. ESAPs had a destructive influence on the entire third world, as did the effect of Kenya’s non-transition from an agrarian economy, as did the fall in profitability of cashcrops, as did the increasing cost of servicing Kenyatta era debt among a plethora of other factors.

    Next, yes many Kalenjin did oppose Moi. Chelagat Mutai, William Ruto and Kipruto Kirwa, Stephen Kewasis, Alexander Kipsang Muge among many others. So easy to blame one man, huh? Why are so many Kenyans so ignorant? What do you read?
    Next, Kikuyus were not marginalised under Moi. Many Kikuyus really cleaned up in the 80s and 90s. Very many of them. Moi did not have a hand in the corruption at the Co-Ops in Nyeri, and neither did he cause the local governments in Meru to provide mediocre services to wananchi.

    The Rift Valley this year could not have happened but for Raila, from the day he said Kikuyus were adui, he legitimised what was previously low-level hatred. In the Rift Valley where people were already animated, where animosities were already extant, this was the spark that set forth the tragedy.

    Amir Ibrahim
    KenyaImagine.com

    #46833
  58. Living A Panga-free Life

    Kenyans and KE,

    About this Kikuyu question…

    Please honestly answer me this [wait, wait hold on for a few moments].

    As far as I know, I was born of and further nurtured and educated by a pair of outstanding Kenyans, my parents, to whom I’m eternally grateful. I am Kenyan by all definitions.

    I’m quite far removed from the Kenyan situation considering I’ve lived abroad for a very long time…since before I was ever interested in politics. Still, I’ve managed to keep as close a watch on the happenings in my distant homeland as I go about my life on the other side of the Atlantic.

    I know enough about Kenya and it’s history to conclude that the seed that has grown into this ‘war’ was planted a long time ago and other, more recent issues, only compounded the problem.

    I guess I’ll start with colonization. I have to say that Europeans of days past bear the full burden of the initial blame. The only problem is that it’s been so long that there’s no point even trying to deal with that portion of the argument at length. Still, without colonization, everyone would be minding their own business and dealing with each other as they were a few hundred years ago whether peacefully or violently. It seems that the post-independence kings, I mean, presidents learned well from the British and are employing the same divide et impera tactics aka divide and rule.

    Being that land is so important to Kenyans, the post-independence period is where all pending land issues could have been carefully deliberated and amicably resolved but all the three presidents’ governments lacked the resolve, the commitment or desire to see it through. In short, they failed all Kenyans. They instead, fueled the flames that are now burning innocent people. Here come the questions:

    1: Is it true that the late president Kenyatta was responsible for resettling some of his own people, the Kikuyu, in areas that were the ancestral lands of the Kalenjins, the alleged primary anatagonists? Was this a resettlement of only the Kikuyu or were others included in that plan? Did the late inaugural president legally acquire that land or did he sleaze it from it’s original inhabitants? Who were the original inhabitants of the disputed lands in the great rift valley? Would one consider the British the owners of the land they forcefully took in the first place ?

    Politics of land ownership seems to be one of the reasons people are dying.
    Also, I’ve read a post that suggested that the situation in the Kenyan rift valley is similar to that in America where Europeans annexed the locals’ lands so many years ago. I agree. Still, there are differences in the two situations down the road. It’s clear that the sons and daughters of the pilgrims are not going anywhere but the American government allows the local Indians with casino i.e. gambling rights on their reservations and this has enabled them to generate some wealth and offset some of the poverty caused by the direct action of past federal governments. Another solution is affirmative action which recognizes the inequalities in America due to historical events and tries to level the playing field. Even the welfare system is another way. There are so many ways that a government can deal with the inequalities within it’s borders and ignoring them will not make them go away.
    Such solutions still lack in Kenya. The Kenyan solution to date simply suggests…”get over it if you’ve been screwed over”…not so smart on the government’s part. The land issue is not going away and the government simply can’t maintain a perpetual police presence in the rift valley to protect the scattered families of the targeted victims of the violence. It will get very costly very fast and who knows what will happen when the last truck full of policemen leaves the countryside. If the solution is not to once again embark on resettling people, then there must be a long-term plan to deal with it beyond the end of the presidential term. It’s probably a bad idea so what’s an alternative?
    Are Kenyan politicians mature enough to take a good idea from one outgoing administration and not sabotage but sustain it?

    2: Is it true that the late president Kenyatta let his own people “run free” as far as illegally or questionably enriching themselves with impunity at the expense of the other Kenyans? Is this why the Kikuyu enjoy dorminance in the business and finance arenas?

    If that’s true then he pointed Kenya in the wrong direction from the word, “Go” and the problem has merely grown on itself. Now that everyone knows the recipe, they wants their opportunity to cook and eat for as long as they can. That, as it’s come to be, was a recipe for disaster.

    3: Is it true that the Kikuyu are so tribalistic, if there such a word, that they’ll prevent anyone else from succeeding at any cost? Is that true about the rest or are the Kikuyu just better at it?
    Is it true that they believe that the presidency and it’s obvious benefits in such a flawed system are theirs and theirs alone and will do whatever it takes to keep it that way?
    Is it true that president Kibaki has been perpetuating the same pattern as his predecessors?
    Is it true that the Kikuyu are now merely picking up where they left off after the twenty-four year inconvenience of ex-president Moi’s regime with president Kibaki now back at the helm?

    The perception seems to be more real than not real as it’s been enough to ignite unrest in key areas of the country. Don’t you think that president Kibaki government, in it’s first term, should have guaranteed that it wasn’t the case by acting accordingly?

    4: Is it true that the Kalenjin have been systematically persecuted by the president Kibaki’s government as payback for their support of ex-president Moi’s regime and are lashing out because of it?

    If that’s true, then president Kibaki set up his own people who settled or resettled in Kalenjinland to be massacred in case of such an eventuality and didn’t make moves to guarantee their safety. How will they assess their unwavering support for him and his seeming lack of concern with their plight? If tribe is that important in Kenya, then you can hurt somebody by proxy i.e. hurt another like him and he’ll feel it almost like it were his own brother or sister…and he didn’t see that coming? I think he and his are planning something unpleasant as payback

    5: Is it true that the Kikuyu are such a tightly locked in group that only lets in their own kind while other tribes are more open and embrace others?
    Is it true that the Kikuyu like to take across tribal lines but hardly ever give back especially across those lines?
    Is this why there seems to be a loose and probably temporary alliance among the others to stop that behavior or demonstrate that it’s not acceptable?

    My point is that if any of the above is true, then Kenya was doomed to fail long ago because it’s politics are inherently flawed. The only surprise is that Kenya held itself up for this long considering it’s foundations were built on quicksand.

    On the flip side:

    Is it possible that the Kikuyu have a culture that’s more conducive to business success?

    Is it possible that their proximity to Nairobi has given them in greater numbers access to the financial capital and they’ve taken advantage of it?

    Is it possible that this whole thing is exaggerated because the Kikuyu are twice as many as any other one tribe and it seems like they are everywhere?

    Is it possible that the other tribes have also enjoyed similar rates of success but comparatively, since their numbers are lower it doesn’t seem like it?

    Whatever is true for Kenya, It seems that the governments that have run the country failed to make sure that all Kenyans have access to opportunities to better themselves. They failed to empower people to see beyond the clear tribal lines and appreciate cooperation and allegiance to something other than tribe…that’s such an ancient attitude.

    Look at the people in the Northern part of the country. They simply have no access to much and I wholeheartedly agree with Amir Ibrahim that it’s difficult for those northern communities to consider themselves Kenyans while their basic needs are hardly being met. No access means no opportunity therefore a deficiency in developmental potential arises and is sustained if not addressed.

    For there to be a true Kenya, the people in the northern parts should be able to get on a bus and take a ride to Nairobi on more than an invisible dirt road. They should be able to go to a local health center and find a qualified doctor and medicine. The local governments are an extension of the state government whose responsibility is to ensure that all Kenyans are equal and some are not more equal than others. If any part of the government is failing, then the entire government is considered to have failed if the problems can’t be taken care of.
    The Kenyan governments have presided over the exponential growth of slums which in turn have given rise to a permanent underclass in society. Those are very difficult to get rid of and are rife with localized anarchy. Kenyans haven’t been weaned off their dependence on land for sustenance and the consequence is obvious.

    The main problem in Kenya is unequal access to resources and opportunities. Partially due to accidents of history and in part due man-made and deliberate actions of select individuals and groups with selfish and myopic agenda.

    If the above questions can be answered honestly without too much emotion, I think a solution can be crafted out of those answers.

    Good luck. :wink:

    #47028
  59. dee

    could some elite fellow out there enlighten me…Are Kikuyus really 22% or more. I have a friend from US state Dpt. Africa office who tells me Moi’s government manpulated Kikuyu numbers for political reasons.
    Actually Kikuyus make 30-33% of Kenya.Interesting!!!

    #47377
  60. I am sure we have all witnessed and can attest to the lack of visionary political leadership in Kenya at the moment as the country inches closer to an unprecedented civil war by day and night. While the nation’s underlying tensions that sparked the violence have been brewing since independence, I take exception to point an accusing finger at the political leaders who failed to read the signs of time and with loose talk and selfish quest for power detonated the ticking time bomb instead of averting the disaster we witness today.

    The bubble was destined to burst one way or another, that much I CONCEDE, but did it have to be this barbaric? Did it mean that Kenyans, a traditionally peaceful, rational and friendly people resort to ethnic cleansing in the names of our political elite? I argue in the negative because elections are held around the world and in every election there are winners and losers. Fine, it is the winners who write history, but it is the responsibility of the losers to keep the winners on their toes and help the country grow politically, economically and socially.

    Shame on our politicians for leading the nation down this dangerous path. YES Shame on you all. For the loose talk in the run up to and during the electioneering period, I say shame on the electorate for laying down all barriers of decency and pride and attacking our friends and neighbors in the name of tribal alliances. Shame on the people of Kenya who are participating, orchestrating or carrying out these armed attacks that kill our women and children.

    Shame on the government of the day for borrowing the loose talk from their opponents and put their political futures ahead of the nation’s interests and the security and welfare of its people. Shame on the losing coalition of parties for failing to utilize legal means to address their grievances, and resorting to cheap politics, hate mongering and inciting the masses.

    Shame on you all who continue to attest the superiority of one tribe over another because it is not only cheap and undemocratic but goes against all the religious teachings all Kenyans profess.

    Lastly, it is about time we realized that there is no reasonable defence except stupidity that can counter the impact of an idea whose time has come. The time is now that we must let charity begin at home. The time is now that we must stop referring to ourselves as is this or that tribe and can only co-exist or support members of my tribe alone. The time is now that we must stop exporting the cheap reasoning out of Kenya into diaspora and aligning ourselves along National or even tribal lines. The time is now that we must simply GROW UP and shun divisive politics as espoused by ‘our founding father’ who took the mantle from the colonial regime and passed the hatred along the generations.

    The reconciliation that Kenya needs must start with YOU! We must learn to be decent human beings who respect one another and forget about our tribal affiliations and alliances.
    Any efforts done at the national level that do not take into account that we as individuals are the root problem would be garbage, any successful efforts must begin with YOU!

    #48209
  61. Leoedd

    For them who preach violence, when your sons fail to return home, shot by the police, or killed by Mungiki or taliban, then you will understand that your children are not chicken. The constitution of kenya can be ammended. But it can never apply retrospectively. By that i mean it cant change anything about the past. If you doubt me you need to read a little bit more than those murderers. The constitution cannot be changed to suit the interests of a tribe or a person. If this person turns to bows and arrows, thats why we have the army and the police, and the shoot to kill order. Kenya is more important than a tribe or a person. I pledge my loyalty to the president of the republic and the constitution, and part of it is freedom of ownership, which is guaranteed. Let the armed forces follow the oath they took of protecting the republic. My family is mixed tribe, weve guarded all members of other tribes intermarried within, because theyre our brothers and sisters. Were was married to a Kikuyu. Im even ashamed of raila saying that Kikuyu ni adui, why then are they sleeping with them? Hypocrites out to sell our country for a pittiance! Im a kenyan,those who think wars are fought with arrows are lost. Fight the greatest battle in your mind, learn and when your mind changes, your environment will change too. And who knows, you may become rich and help your fellow relatives. Real men dont cry like babies, they do something now that will change their tomorrow. And im sure taking a bow and arrow or a machete is not one of the things to do. Ruto Raila Koech Kibaki are not themselves fighting. You have to be stupid to think this way. Theyre filthy rich yet they send you to fight for them. How will you benefit pesonally?Dont you think you are somebodys slave. Slaves never become rich, theyre ragged and tattered, yet their masters live in luxury and pomp. Im not a slave of Kibaki either, or my tribe, thats why im going to be rich in the next 5-10 years. No joke about this. And in our hybrid family, well get the brilliance af a Luo, the Enterprise of the Kiuks, The agressiveness of the Kalles, well be a force to reckon. Not for war, but in development. To all great kenyans, Komesha Vita, Komesha propaganda,Kazi iendelee.

    #48242
  62. nyamachoma

    MUNGIKI! you must be too idle and so full of yr stupid arse mungiki kikuyu self!!! exactly what r u gaining from all this hatred u have for raila,jangoz and kalez?????nothing!! u rejoice over jangoz being killed like no kikuyu has died?u must have lost someone in this, thats why u are so hurt! chew the pain and stop writing stupid blogs!People(KENYANS) are dying!thats the point. Or did u want to go get a ratio of what tribe dies more than the other??Yr pple are fucking dead and displaced!Thats how u need to look at it and stop acting like u know how much longer you’ll live!Just because u r mungiki, it doesnt change anything..yr stupid kikuyu asshole could die any minute just the way u describe jangoz dying, assuming that kikuyus have really learnt their lesson this time!

    #48395
  63. nyamachoma

    For esk, “kikuyus are preparing to retaliate….” yr statement is fucking stupid! yr kikuyu selves are dead and displaced arses and they still are dying n will still die!!!by saying kikuyus are retaliating, do u mean everyone will sit back and watch em do that????Just because kibaki is giving mungiki cop uniforms and paying them to go kill pple??HAHA!
    kalez have whooped yr arses and jangoz in NB too! U r lucky in Ksm they were given time to leave! Notice that “kenyans” are dying…stop looking at what tribe coz u cant win my dear!and now MP’s dead?? sit back n watch!!

    #48401
  64. Leoedd

    Nyamachoma,
    Read what i wrote, one more fallen. Calling all those names wont help. The guys who thot this out thot only some people get killed / displaced. By the way if you think were stupid, compare Kisumu, Eldoret and Thika and tell me who is stupid. I think youre too educated to think, and need to transform themselves into a learned man. About the propaganda of Kibaki, that you can keep to yourself. But one thing remains clear, this is the worst bunch of leaders weve ever had in kenyan history. The only problem with you is that you think like ODM rather than a kenyan. I agree i could die from the taliban, but think harder, when im dead, theyll kill raila or ruto because he is the richest among the poor.
    My messafe is not the fuck you preach, its peace. I need to rise above PNU or ODM.

    #48539
  65. Nyamachoma
    I think u r the most illitrate person in kenya. If we had three people like u, we would be in a terrible mess!!!
    We are not livivng in colonial days like you are. Just because you are lazy and dont want to work hard to get your daily bread does not mean you go and kill to steal!!
    You are one person(of which you dont even deserve to be called one) who a are in for a surprise!! You better overcome the village in you and grow up.
    You are talking about killing Kikuyus like its eating nyamachoma!!!
    Secondary and primary school education is for free ….u had better enrolled!!!

    #48596
  66. nyamachoma

    HHEEEE!! KIKUYUS AM SO EXCITED AM GETTING ON YR NERVES!!MEZENI WEMBE…UKWELI YAWATIA UCHUNGU!!!
    DONT EVEN BE SURPRISED IF AM NOT KENYAN BUT FOR THE MANY YRS I’VE LIVED, I’VE STUDIED YR ARSES, AND Y’ALL ARE THE BIGGEST MISTAKES IN EAST AFRICA!
    KARIS IF I WERE ILLITRATE I’D LOOK FOR U AND SPIT ON YR FACE BUT AM SMART, THATS WHY I MANAGED TO GET ON YR NERVE THAT MUCH!
    MAYBE I CAN BE A ‘MOI’ ONE DAY! WHERE DID U GET THE MENTALITY THAT PPLE WHO DONT GO TO SCH ARE ILLITERATE???LOOK THAT KALENJIN OF AN INTELLIGENT MAN..HE LED YR FUCKING KIKUYU BUTT FOR 24 FUCKING YRS YET HE DIDNT AND DOESNT KNOW WHAT A CLASSROOM IS!OGOPA.
    U PROBABLY ARE GOING TO A ‘BARBER SCHOOL” TO THINK LIKE THAT? OR ARE U A COBBLER?EXACTLY WHAT’S YR MAJOR! NYOA RASTA ZAKO..SHENZI HII

    MSHIKE ADABU NA MUSHINDWE!

    #48998
  67. leoedd

    The only problem you have is you dont even know who you are. You are a Kenyan as a fact. Moi led the country, but the kikuyus were busy at work. Thats why youre now crying foul. What will ODM do for you as a person? Moi led the coutry, i led my businesses and i think i outperformed him pants down. This forum is not to show hom much we own anyway! I think if Raila became prezzo, you would me the most frustrated person, to see that your life couldnt change an inch, unless you work hard. No man should put his life at the mercy of another mans desires. Chart your own destiny! Moi was prezzo for 24 years but his people are saying he never helped them. Theres NO HELPING HERE. its hard work. I dont know who will be the next president, but im thinking of how to take business interuptions insurance before next elections. By this if some characters decide we wont work, ill just call the insurance company. Theres Tanzania thats warming up for Kenyan investors, theyre the greatest source of FDI at the moment in tanzania, and the Economy is growing. We need to be smart!We also need to look at other countries that are coming up.
    We can leave kisumu for Nyamachoma. He can roast himself there! No region in kenya is self sufficient,but other regions appear to be in a better position at present, because they didnt act with nyamachomas type of thinking!

    #49242
  68. KenyanGuy

    nyamachoma’s brains have been chomaad during his birth..nyamachoma, STFU you retard. Are you Kenyan even? I doubt it totally. :twisted:

    #51048
  69. Were

    KE, pls stop deleting my post…this used to happen in mashada too, I thought you’re were supposed to be neutral

    #51251
  70. Were

    Witness Reports – The Creation of the Kenyan Genocide

    RECRUITMENT, TRAINING, INDOCTRINATION AND OPERATIONS OF KALENJIN ETHNIC CLEANSING TERROR GANGS

    1. MUMIAT OATHING ON AUGUST SEVEN IN KERICHO AT KENUGUT PRIMARY AND SECONDARY SCHOOLS COMPLEX IN KERICHO:

    Eye witnesses said that 25 oxen and 25 dogs were slaughtered for the oath. The oath was for binding Kalenjins together for the purpose of ethnic cleansing of all Kikuyus and Kisiis out of the rift valley.

    William Samoei Arap Ruto brought the Oxen but the dogs were collected locally.

    Kenugut is Ruto’s ancestral home. Ruto is a Kipsigis but his father had sold off their family land and migrated to Eldoret, a Nandi-occupied area in Uasin Gishu.

    Hundreds of Kalenjin young men toook the oath. The aims of the oathing were:

    To kill and drive out all Kikuyus from the Rift Valley and drive them to Naivasha where forces under William Ole Ntimama, an ardent Kikuyu hater who supported the 1992 genocide targeting the Kikuyu, would take over and kill and drive the Kikuyus to Kijabe, the pre- colonial Western boundary of Kikuyu Land.

    To reduce the Kikuyu number to a manageable level by killing one million of them by mass killing of those seeking refuge in churches, refugee camps and other areas.

    To support ODM who had promised to help them accomplish this task within 90 days of taking over the government of Kenya.

    After the oaths, training and indoctrination camps were set up and operated in the following places.

    Eldoret in Mr. Mark Too’s farm. Mark Too is the former chairman of Lonrho.

    Girimoli at the sub-chief’s farm in Kericho. Here, both Luo and Kalenjins were trained

    Bomet in the farm owned by Mr. Kipkalya Kones. Note that Kones of involved in the horrific 1992 genocide against the Kikuyus but he was never prosecuted.

    Kuresoi on the farm of Hon. Cheboi who is reported by eye witnesses to have initiated the ethnic cleansing of Kikuyus out of Kuresoi in September 2007 before the elections.

    Kipkelion in Kunyak in Kiptenden sub-location in the farm of Mr. Kip Chumba who harbors very strong hatred of the Kikuyu.

    El Dama Ravine on the farm of Mr. Musa Sirma.

    2. FOLLOW UP MASS OATHINGS AT CIRCUMCISION RITES FROM 31ST OCTOBER 2007 TO 5TH NOVEMBER 2007

    The aim of these mass oaths ceremonies was to prepare all Kalenjin young men for ethnic cleansing war before the general election. All the young men who had missed the August oath were given similar oaths. Circumcision of all mature Kalenjin young men was conducted so as to ensure that all of them would be given oaths, indoctrinated in Kikuyu hatred and ethnic cleansing and ready for war before the general election.

    As usual the circumcision was done in forests and the young men trained in these forest hidings for one full month. Among the things taught in the camps were:

    War techniques and war cries which signal gathering for attack (a sort of high pitched ululation), and actual attack burning and killing (an intermittent monkey whoop).

    Culture including the role of their legendary colonial hero, Koitalel Arap Samoei and his re-incarnation, Samoei Arap Ruto.

    Kikuyu hatred where the Kikuyu were described as hyenas (Madoa-Doa, i.e. spotted hyenas) and thieves who must be killed and expelled out of the Rift Valley.

    Marking of Kalenjin homes with small, 6 to 8 inch long, gourds and Kikuyu homes with a black “X”. These markings indicated which homes were to be spared and which homes were to be eliminated.

    3. PROMISES MADE TO KALENJIN YOUNG MEN AT INDOCTRINATION AND TRAINING PLACES

    The young men were promised the following:

    The ODM government was going to employ all of them in the army.

    During the ethic cleansing war, they would be paid in cash every morning through their village elders who would also bless them for the day’s acts of terror, violence and carnage.

    Their own parents would be given some of land belonging to the dead or displaced Kikuyus and 100,000 shillings per homestead towards the construction cost of a new house since the young men were to burn all Kikuyu houses.

    Each warrior would be given a Kikuyu woman for wife from Kikuyu women of reproductive age who were to be spared in the planned massive genocide.

    All properties and businesses belonging to the Kikuyu in the Rift Valley would be given to the Kalenjin under the ODM Majimbo (regionalism) government.

    For the rest of the Kikuyu farmland in the Rift Valley, White men of British and Southern African origin including ex-Zimbabwe whites would form joint venture companies with Kalenjins to farm such land. The new companies would employ only Kalenjins. All profits from such farms would be shared between the white men and the Kalenjins. This would make the Kalenjins very wealthy. (NB: It has been reported that the white men and Kalenjin leaders had been seen touring such land long before the elections).

    3. CONSEQUENCES OF THE PREPARATION OF KALENJIN TERROR GANGS

    Eye witnesses reported that on 30th December at 10 am, at the Caltex Petrol station in Kericho town:

    (a) Mr. Franklin Bett gave unspecified sums of money to Kalenjin and Luo young men.

    (b) Immediately after the payment the young men started stoning vehicles and burning kiosks which they thought were Kikuyu owned but were actually owned by Kipsigis and Kisii people.

    (c) At Kunyak in Kericho the following took place: The Kalenjins lit a huge fire and bundles of a ceremonial milky plant were brought. Meat was roasted and taken by the Kalenjin young men and elders. The elders administered oaths and tied pieces of the milky plant around the necks of the Kalenjin young men.

    (d) When the ceremony was over the Kalenjin young men who had participated went around threatening Kikuyus in Swahili telling the Kikuyus, “Whether Kibaki wins or looses, you will find out the difference between blankets (for sleeping on) and gunny bags ( for picking the dead). “Kibaki ashinde asishinde mtatofautisha blanketi na gunia.”

    (e) At Koru in Kipkelion, within 15 minutes of the announcement of Kibaki’s win, Kalenjins started terrorizing Kikuyus and burning Kikuyu farms and property.

    (f) Within two and a half hours, Kalenjin terror was unleashed on Kikuyu properties in all towns and farming areas in the rift valley. Kalenjin young men killed Kikuyus and looted and burned their property while chanting the war songs they had learned at the oath-taking rites.

    4. COLLUSION BY THE POLICE AND PROVINCIAL ADMINISTRATION

    At Girimoli in Kipkelion, the first wave of Kalenjin and Luo terror gangs were repulsed by the Kikuyu. The police then intervened and chased away the Kikuyu and stopped them from defending their women, children and property. The Kalenjin and Luo terror gangs went on with their grisly business uninterrupted by the police. In some cases, Kikuyu men were hacked to death and their women raped in full view of the police. Some of the police told the Kikuyus in Swahili, “wacheni Kazi iendelee”. This was a mockery of Kibaki’s re-election campaign call of “Kazi iendelee!” meaning “Let (my) the work (of rebuilding the economy and progress) continue by re-electing me”.

    5. FUNDING

    In the 1992 and 1997 genocide, the organizers had promised the Kalenjin terror gangs KSh. 50,000 (fifty thousand shillings) per gang member at the completion of the task. However, it is said that these gangsters were only paid Sh. 6,000 (six thousand shillings). This time the gangsters have insisted on daily payments in advance on each morning of the day of assignment. As a result, those who have been captured in action so far have been found to be in possession of between ten thousand and one hundred and fifty thousand shillings in new notes.

    In addition to the above, extra money was being paid for the following:

    Burning a timber house, 3,000 shillings

    Burning a stone house, 7,500 shillings

    Killing a Kikuyu man, a Kikuyu boy or a Kikuyu woman in her reproductive years, sums unknown but different sums were paid for each category with the maximum being paid for the men and the minimum for the women.

    No money was given for killing elderly women and female children or for burning grass huts. Notwithstanding this, the gangs still killed such women and girl children and burned such huts anyway.

    It should be noted that in the 1992 genocide, special sums were paid for killing pregnant Kikuyu women and for killing their unborn babies. A higher sum was paid for killing a male baby than for killing a female baby.

    Most of the Kalenjin terror gangsters captured in the current genocide and ethnic cleansing state that they will not betray each other or their plans. A few who have talked have said that they are funded by Franklin Bett, Ruto and Njonjo. Those who are badly wounded in action are saying to interrogators in Swahili, “Ulizemi Ruto na Franklin Bett kwa nini ninakufa.” That is “Ask Ruto and Franklin Bett why I am dying.”

    6. ORGANIZATION OF THE GENOCIDE AND ETHNIC CLEANSING:

    SUPREME COMMANDER CUM RE-INCARNATED LAIBONKOITALEL ARAP SAMOEI:

    Hon William Samoei Arap Ruto

    DEPUTY COMMANDER:

    Mr. Franklin Bett.

    ASSISTANT COMMAMNDERS:

    Mr. Musa Sirma

    Mr. Kipkalya Kones

    FIELD COMMANDER AT OPERATIONAL LEVEL:

    Retired Brigadier Alexander Sitinei

    OTHER FIELD COMMANDERS:

    Retired army officers of different ranks

    SYMPATHISERS:

    The majority of Luo and Kalenjin including civil servants in the Rift Valley such as police and intelligence personnel.

    7. ULTIMATE AIMS OF THE GENOCIDE AND ETHNIC CLEANSING

    To drive all Kikuyus out of the rift valley

    To kill at least one million Kikuyus by flushing them out of homes into camps where they are concentrated and bombed or otherwise exterminating them so as to reduce their numerical dominance in Kenya. This they say is supported by ODM which had promised to help Kalenjins get their land back from the Kikuyus and accomplish the genocide within 90 days of taking power.

    To take all Kikuyu farms and property

    To take all young Kikuyu women and female children but to kill as many males as possible ( This was done over 100 years ago to the Uasin Gishu (Gwas Nkishu) Maasai and the Laikipiak Maasai as a result of which these two Maasai clans were all but exterminated.)

    To invite white farmers from Southern Africa to come and form joint farming ventures with KAMATUSA (Kalenjins, Maasai, Turkana and Samburu) in the best parts of the Rift Valley farm land which at present legally belongs to Kikuyus.

    Ensure dominance of the KAMATUSA in the Kenyan armed forces by recruiting all their unemployed young men into the army.

    8. BACKGROUND TO WILLIAM SAMOEI ARAPRUTO’S POLITICAL AND SPIRITUAL CLAIMS.

    Uasin Gishu (the Eldoret area of Kenya) was formerly occupied by the Maasai of the GWAS NKISHU – i.e. “Spotted Cows” clan. The Gwas Nkishu were massacred in a genocidal intra-Maasai clan civil war and replaced by the South African whites -Boers, and a few British farmers. The Kalenjin moved in as “Squatters” in the colonial days. Members of the family of the former President De Clerks of South Africa still live in Uasin Gishu. However Ruto, a Kipsigis, migrated from Kericho to Uasin Gishu when his father sold the family ancestral land in Kericho, his Kipsigis motherland. However, Ruto has since bought back 3 acres of his former family farm in Kericho but he has not yet put up a home there. Kalenjins are therefore settlers in Uasin Gishu. The indigenous owners are the Gwas Nkishu Maasai, a few of whom are still in existence among the other Maasai clans. The Kalenjin are as “foreign” in Uasin Gishu as the white settlers like the De Clerks or the Kikuyu.

    Ruto has convinced the Kalenjins that he is the re-incarnation of the Nandi anti British liberation war hero Koitalel Arap Samoei. Ruto’s middle name is Samoei. He and his followers ardently believe that he is the re-incarnation. They also claim that the re-incarnation was prophesied to happen 100 years after the death of their Kalenjin liberation hero. They believe that it is now 100 years since the death of Koitalel Arap Samoei. Their re-incarnated hero has therefore come back to liberate the whole of the Rift valley and Kenya from Kikuyu domination. Ruto’s home in Kericho is in Ainamoi Constituency and his uncles still live there. His agenda is not the same as that of the current ODM leader’s agenda. He has his own Kalenjin, Maasai, Turkana and Samburu (Kamatusa) agenda and also says openly that he wishes to be an ODM presidential candidate in 2012.

    #51252
  71. Were:

    The only time I delete is if you post the same article over and over again in numerous posts. If you keep doing that, I’ll keep deleting. If you don’t, I won’t.

    #52937
  72. EagleEYE

    KE,
    Here is some more information to support your concerns

    Kenyan athletes accused of organising violence in political tribal clashes

    Lets keep pilling away until the whole true is out, the truth never goes away.

    #53568
  73. KenyanGuy

    EagleEYE,
    Thx for the link. That is very disturbing indeed. Many Rutos out there who reckon they can kill when they feel like it- and in fact I’ve always been proud of our athletes & cheered for them. OMG! :sad:

    #53899
  74. kenyan

    NOPE SOMEONE POWERFUL IS HELPING THE MUNGIKI’S TO MURDER INNOCENT KENYANS!!!TAKE A GUESS WHO!! KIBAKI AND MICHUKI AND THEY HAVE PROMISED THEM IMMUNUTY!! SAYS THE MUNGIKI GANG MEMBERS!!

    Kenya: The truth about the Naivasha killings

    February 10, 2008 03:16 PM

    As the repercussions of inter-tribal clashes dawn upon Kenyans, more light is being shed on how they were planned and executed. One of the worst revenge attacks which left dozens dead or maimed, was experienced in Naivasha town in the Rift Valley. Using eyewitness accounts from survivors, Odhiambo T. Oketch reports about the horror faced by victimized residents before and after the attacks.

    I have been to Naivasha on two occasions to help

    evacuate some of my relatives who were victims of the violence that took place in Naivasha.

    The first time, we did not get the gory details of what took place, and I bet, the press is afraid of bringing some of these planned murders and killings in Naivasha to the fore.

    We must have the courage to face the truth and confront the same, then talk of the healing process. If we sweep this under the rug, we are doing nothing.

    Politicians and administrative officers involved

    The Naivasha Massacre was planned in complicity with government agencies. The police were informed, and they only brought officers who were not armed to confront the murderous Mungiki (banned militia) team.

    The DC (District Commissioner) was in the picture, as some of the politicians who had lost in the recent general elections. They were well coordinated by donations from some current cabinet ministers and the pangas (machetes) that they used were bought at the Shamba Hardware store in Naivasha town.

    When the Mungiki were to strike on the January 27, 2008, the prison warders came out and thwarted all their moves. They retreated so that orders could be made to bar the prison warders from coming out in support of non-Kikuyus who were the target.

    When they struck the second time, they were under police escort, and they specifically killed Luos, in a systematic way. They torched their houses and chased them like rats in town.

    When the Luo organized themselves to hit back, the police shot at the them instead. This went on for three days. Within this time, the Mungiki murderers were housed at LakeSide and Silver Hotels.

    They used to come to town at 6:00 am, reign terror until 6:00 pm when they retreated to their hotels to brief their paymasters, chief among them former and current MPs.

    The Naivasha Massacre of the Luos was well planned in a meeting attended by politicians like Uhuru Kenyatta and Jayne Kihara among others, and top businessmen such as Chris Kirubi, Jimna Mbaru, and George Muhoho.

    They were annoyed that it is the Luo who had made things elephant for them. They hence came up with a plan that hitting at the Luo would be the best thing. They did not look at the fact that it is the Kalenjin who removed them mostly from the Rift Valley. They thought that it was the Luo who had made the Kalenjin do that.

    Biased Red Cross and Mungiki paymasters

    The Kenya Red Cross Society that has been acclaimed as one of the best relief support agencies, did not come to the aid of the internally displaced persons (IDPs) at Naivasha Prisons for a whole 3 days, yet, they were in Burnt Forest and Eldoret within hours of the fracas breaking out.

    It came out that the Red Cross, just like the government, was partisan in addressing the problems. In the case of Naivasha, the Red Cross and the government were looking at it as a Luo affair, not a Kenyan affair.

    This partisan approach to the massacre has exposed the Red Cross as a dishonest agency.

    When the Mungiki youths went to Kabati cemetery for oath-taking, the police were very much in the picture. When they ransacked Kabati Estate, the police looked helpless. When the people ran to Naivasha Prisons for safety, the police moved in on the road, armed and ready to shoot at anyone who dared come out of the prison.

    I reckon they should have been engaging the Mungiki so that they could save non-Kikuyu property, but they only escorted them on the macabre mission.

    The world must know the truth. And it is this truth that will set us free.

    Why were Kikuyus hell bent on eliminating Luos from Naivasha, when it is a known fact that Luos never killed any kikuyu in Nyanza at the beginning of the evictions?

    Why were Kikuyus in Naivasha cheering and telling Luos that they wanted Majimbo (regionalism), yet now had to be evicted?

    Why were the police under instructions to safeguard Mungiki, and to shoot to kill at any show of resistance, people who stood helpless as their houses were being burnt and their people killed as they watched?

    It is time to make clear distinctions; those who shout loudest about crimes against humanity, are the main paymasters of the murderous Mungiki sect.

    #54376
  75. its scaring to even talk to a kale after the elections ….. its damn scaring

    #63019
  76. whatever the hatred, i dont understand what sought of hatred can drive one to kill another coz of their tribe….

    #63020
  77. Kiptarbei Karajan

    So who is helping the KALEs? We are only ridding our land of the foul smell left by the massive FART issuing out of every pore in Mount Kenya

    #65033
  78. Dickson Mugo

    sasa…

    check out this Wedding Photography Website…

    #68714
  79. we are all one origin love should abide, whatever happens is the work of the devil he dont want us to live together.we should not blame by saying who did this or that but the issue is how will we ashame the devil?by coming together forgive and forget we should not live with the past God bless.

    #70084
  80. CIKO

    Truelly, “What goes around comes around.” Why? The Mungiki who were recruited to “protect” kikuyu’s (my own tribe) interests mission has backfired big time! They are now determined to wipe the kikuyus as evidenced by recent killings! Is it possible to keep a covenant or promise with a kikuyu and expect the applied terms and condition s agreed upon to be kept? In other words can we prove to other tribes that we can be trusted? :?: I need honest opinions especially from my fellow kikuyus.

    #70095
  81. Y Bahari

    Forget those lop-sided statistics — Kenyans are a mixed lot that have been intermarrying since precolonial times. Take a look at Kenya’s ethnographic history and you’ll realize that.

    Group perceptions are erroneous. For instance, unlike Iman’s [Truth's] posting, Moi was a more eloquent speaker than Kibaki is. He could talk to the Kenyan folks but Kibaki lacks the grace and charm to equal Moi’s. Remember Moi’s PR tactics like the Nyayo philosophy, the Nyayo trademark etc? So, Iman, you cannot pass judgments on communities –> it is incorrect to do that.

    As for the killings, we need to decide whether we are for murderers (Mungiki, Gusii Warriors, Mashifta, Kale Warriors etc) or peaceful members of Swahili Nation. My own take is that all those Kenyans that lifted an arm to kill another should have their day in court to answer for their crimes. They disrespected the constitution of OUR land, they ought to answer for that. I shall not be grouped with murderers.

    #79478
  82. EDDLOVE

    And now coz of the ODM politicians we are buying UNGA at 110/= heheheheheh shindwe nyinyi

    #97184
  83. Keiyot

    eddlove
    Whose maize do want to buy cheap? Just do your Githeri

    #97191
  84. :roll: iam sad to hear all the nouncence you people are talking of. We are all childre of god let us pray god for peace in our country. the struggle is starting again with ministers resigning. Are they in eldoret or whichever place you mention?

    #103919
  85. kemei

    i wonder what this ’stupid’and rhetoric remarks made against the kalenjins concerning.The someone you say is helping kalenjins……what about him?what is his name?and if the post election violence was plant, the where was the government??? i mean where was the NSIS, the CIDs and the like????? if there was anybody who plant and funded this mess, the he/she should be arrested and prosecuted in a court of law. this obviously shows the ‘total’ weakness{es} of and in the government.

    #105320
  86. :!: It all begins with the church. Wrong theology produces wrong philosophy of life. Who taught tribes? Who taught racial profiling? Who taught religious and sectarian ideology? When the genocide began in Rwanda, wasn’t it taught and cultured from the missionary pulpits? We need a redefinition. Are we humans first, then Kikuyus and Kalenjins, or are we Kikuyus and Kalenjins then humans later? Are we people in the image of God, or are we Homo Sapiens Sapiens on a certain stage of our evolutionary journey? Something needs be Redefined…Thats why we are here. God’s love be with you all.

    #105383

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