The KNHCR Report: Peek-a-boo? Guess Who?
Yes, you know who I’m referring to here:
Will-kill Router and William “I’m gonna eat your mama” Ntimama.
Looks like the names of those people linked to the post-election violence has finally been leaked out. I’m surprised by how short the list of names is because I think they’re a lot more Kalenjin MP’s who should be on that list (simply because the scale of the violence in the rift valley was so much greater than it was anywhere else).
Was Najib Balala such a significant player in this violence? I don’t think so.
Was Uhuru Kenyatta such a significant player in this violence? Maybe he gave money to Mungiki, but hey…when Kikuyu’s started getting killed, they had to fight back. I can almost understand him doing this. When your homes are being burnt down and your family is under attack, you absolutely have the right to defend yourself and to fight back.
I don’t know why KNHCR is trying to be “balanced” about this. The heart of the violence took place in the rift valley and that violence was planned, funded, organized and executed by the Kalenjins. They’ve been doing it since 1992 and the focus should be on them.
And quite frankly, I’m just getting sick and tired of people trying to be diplomatic about this. The Kalenjins need to cut this shit out and I very much hope that Kibaki sorts them out before he leaves office in 2012.
What i don’t understand though is why no one is calling for their resignations chap chap.
Well… Kenya has never indicted the guilty… whether it was kamau wa landgrabber ngengi or or moi ‘the thief’ moi for ethnic cleansing or for stealing land or businesses what belonged to others… so why expect it to be any different under kibaki who?
As for uhuru ‘my daddy ain’t a thief’ kenyatta… his association with the mungiki goes way back… I think he was involved with them in 2002 but since uhuru was a moi project, the media were kept away & subjugated…
I think Raila is now realising that he was actually used by Kalenjin MPs to achieve their own ends. They have now threatened to withdraw their support from him unless he supports their myopic agenda e.g. the Mau saga, eviction of Kisiis, Luhyias and Kikuyu from RV. I wonder how he will handle the matter.
Does he become a PM for the whole country or a PM for the ODM factions?
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The Kriegler Commission has concluded that the 2007 election WAS NOT STOLEN – just chaotic! And furthermore, the violence was organised and would have occured whether Kibaki won or not. This is a bombshell.
Where does this leave us?????
lets just hope Raila will realise who the Kalenjins are couse this pple are not less than gorrilas fighters and mark my words it is not yet over one day they will lead kenyans to the path many other african countries has taken and that is tribal wars , ope Kikuyus who have for the past decades behaved cowardly and allowed themselves to be easy tagets will realise they better stand up arm themselves and resist this forces of evil or perish……
kikuyu O: The Kreigler commission has NOT concluded the election was not stolen. That is NOT part of their mandate.
kenyatta oppressed us (Nyanza was neglected)… he jailed/killed our leaders (Odinga, Tom Mboya, Pio Gama Pinto)… he protected his cronies & tribesmen (koinange, paul ngei)… well, why the double-standards now?
moi also oppressed Kenyans. Now the idiot is giving advice which the bastard should have followed himself!
kenyatta could have started Kenya on the road to become a Singapore… instead he chose to be a robber baron…
Ct…
Have always maintained…that when the real founders of Nations STEAL (Jomo) or found a nation on Theft & corruption,favourtism there is nothing ONE can do except to collapse the country and REFOUND again
MOI could not DO anything…..Or even BAKS or by extension RAILA…You cannot REFORM KENYA unless it collapses like RWANDA firts….
Check Germany..All of Europe had to collapse first before any reforms took place
History mentions….
French Revolution
Chinas Graet March
Japan/German Defeat
Founding fathers of the US
Soviet Implosion
SA
CT###
Somalia is undergoing it…and belive me it will EMERGE strong….It will even annex NEP if we do not change
THE LUOS of course have realised interlect ALONE will never take them far before they set the foundations right…..The ermerging Luo is both an interlect and a warrior….
The Kyuks are divided into two..the elite & the people…Well thisKyuk elite want status quo because of course they are feeding….WHENEVER they are in the COLD they really whine & whine & whine (remember Moi days..Kuria (goldenberg pig),Kiraitu,Maitha,Njoya,Koigi,Muite…The all lot) .
The Kalenjins of course are ready for the SECOND republic .
The rest of us Kenyans we are now AWAKE and wont carry the REPUBLIC if WE DO NOT GET OUR FAIR SHARE….This is not a threat
So KENYA must braze for a new REPUBLIc and depending on the pricipals (LUO,KAL,LUHYA,KAMBA,KYUK, & Others) it might not emerge a one …the best bet is FEDERAL…..UNITARY of course is the first republic that FAILED
What amazes me is the swiftness with which the so-called Kenyan elite e.g. Lord, conclude that violence is the solution.
Lord, how dare you suggest that Kenya should first fall apart? I bet you are one of those big talkers who will not face down a platoon of the Kenya army when the chaos you prescribe break out.
Do you know how much Somalis have suffered? They regret ever starting the war. However, the country has been taken over by drug addled hooligans. The moderates now desperately want peace but it is very difficult to stop fighting once you have started.
What you should be preaching is new methods of conflict resolution instead of the neanderthal methods of violence.
By the way your argument that you want your fair share is pretty nonsensical. Kenya is funded through TAXPAYERS money. All Kenyans are taxpayers.
I remember there was this argument that was being propagated that Kenyans will never fight. We all saw what happened in 2007. And that was really nothing.
Some people still think that it is only specific ethnic groups that will suffer if there is war in Kenya – that again was proved wrong in 2007/08.
Everybody suffers in war. There are no winners. So stop lying to yourself or others.
KENYANS SHOULD LEARN HOW TO RESOLVE POLITICAL DIFFERENCES WITHOUT VIOLENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
CT, you are really inducing yawns with your relentless (and EXTREMELY POINTLESS) insistence that kenyatta stole land. So did a whole lot of folk. Good luck getting rid of your pointless hardon for the kenyattas.
Kei O, you mean Kreigler officially confirmed that it was all about hateration and about that Eleanor Rosevelt quote “no one can make you feel inferior without your consent”? Good for Kreigler! Glad there exists a man out there with real-deal cojones.
CT, please let us know when you got that law-interpretation degree. Ama are you waiting for Wako to set you straight as well? Just a quick tip: spend energy on something constructive. This whole ‘give back the land’ tirade you’re on is pointless. It’s pointless for all the reasons you’ve been given before. And most of all, as a fellow Kenyan, I’ll advise you to get rid of the hate in your heart. Your kids don’t need this kind of victim mentality from you. Be more positive/constructive for your grandkids at the very least. Unless you’re happy to have them languish in underdevelopment just to prove a point that’s clear only to you and those who think victim-think like you.
Josh, Lord and other such a like will can’t help themselves. With their manhood came this extraordinary view of the world. The best any right thinking person can do wish them is good luck (knowing of course that the revolutions named by Lord were nothing but ‘restless natives’ and that the situation quickly reverted to the status quo).
But if one is forced to fight – self defence is an inalienable right.
But obviously by then, people will be fighting for their lives – and not for their political ideals.
DO NOT ROMANTICIZE WAR.
Lord, I wonder how long people in your native Ukambani can sustain prolonged conflict. I also wonder how many of them would be ready to support your crackpot ideas of breaking the country apart.
That is the weirdest idea I have heard in ages. It is so absurd, it is laughable. That we should fight just because the Rwandese, Somalis, Germans and others fought.
Just ask the Liberians, Sierra Leonians,Mozambiqans, Angolans and even Somalis what real war is like and they will tell you.
My friend, war is not a picnic.
Psyd Off: You do realize that crook wa ngengi set a precedent… While it is not too late after all his wife & her kids are still around… that we need to fix it… Yes… I will throw a party when the have to payuka the land kamau stole.
Then we need to start on moi & biwott and ALL the other thieves… I am glad pattni was made an example of… though I wonder if that was solely on racial grounds…
WE NEED TO TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY…
Pysd Off: Kwani… BTW, where do you live?
Josh#
Josh when the Mau Mau fighters after decades of being sat upon arose and fought the mzungu what were they doing…They had gotten fed up and DID NOT CARE about the state..it had to COLAPSE if thats what it took…..After the war (mau mau lost the battle but won the war)…I say and repeat the ONLY reoson JOMO got the Fisrts Presidency was the percieved (wrongly) view that he was a Mau Mau leader….Great benefits thus went to Kikuyu via Jomo (Milions of acres tranfered under stf…setlement fund ..that was later writen off)..then the africanisation….etc..The rest is history
It has now reached a point (stolen elections,rampant coruption,ethnic tensions[which you can see and feel])…..Look when interlectuals like KE say our tribe must ally like this and that…so that we win..kalenjins must be sorted… (Nobody talks of governace issues anymore) know that the Second republic is Nigh
The good thing about KE is the pure absence of political corectness .
So even to you …you KNOW its time to move to the SECOND REPUBLIC
The issue is is it by way of War or Begging…Your guess is as just as mine…This Kenyans (or indeed many people..history teaches us) cannot agree without the sort of problems of dec 07…and the elite will soon forget about them (they have forgoten by now any way)
As for me i do not like war [will run away near each election] but that does NOT prevent war being the purifier of peoples thoughts & actions…even basic fights like the ones you did in school resulted in mutual respect and understanding…….There is No permaernent enemy…I SEE a soon Great Harmony between Kals and Kyuks and the Pricipal ethnicities based on mutual understanding and respect…..Thats the only way…and that means ABSENCE OF SHORT CHANGES or CURUPTION or Underhand dealings
CT
Throughout You have been a great proponent of retributive justice and fair play…Thats quite clear. Let me ask you a question . DO YOU THINK that Kenya as currently constituted with all the fault lines it got do any retributive justice without recourse to a full REVOLUTION….
A revolution that must colapse the current order and give birth to a new holy beautifull baby ?
Jomo
I can see why you are mad at Jomo..Ngugi Wa Thiongo was much more REVULSED than you about Jomo….he said things to this effect
…Kenyatta had the oportunity to be GREAT as Mao,Jesus ,Mohamed,Washington, Charles De Gaule but chose to be a common thief
lord: True dat… and Ngugi was a Kikuyu…
crooked wa ngengi was an interloper who usurped the real Mau Mau fighters as well as people like Gen Mathenge & Dedan Kimathi. crooked wa ngengi never allowed the celebration of true heroes like Dedan Kimathi & Harry Thuku.
It’s a pity when Kikuyus turn against other Kikuyus just coz they want to highlight the INJUSTICES. Look at how John Githongo & Maina Kiai were vilified for promoting TRUTH & JUSTICE.
Joseph Murumbi was appalled by what he saw in kenyatta’s government. To add salt to the wound… the land & house that Murumbi gave to the State to convert into a museum was also grabbed…!!!!
#Pysdd off
You mentioned something profound here
…..The best any right thinking person can do wish them is good luck (knowing of course that the revolutions named by Lord were nothing but ‘restless natives’ and that the situation quickly reverted to the status quo)……
Its true that many a revolution revert back to the status quo….But do not forget others profoundly change a society for the better…example
the French revoultion,Chinese 1949~2008…etc
I know Uhuru Kenyatta, Mudavadi,Balala,Nyaga,Ngilu,Saitoti,Karua are status quo material…..[ can be called Moilets]
Ruto is status quo plus more theft
Raila is different but looks busy bodied [unlike true revolutinaries] …might end Gadaffi like
Kibaki of course the grand old man is nothing but ‘MOI when silent’
Why are you people talking about revoulutionaries
Coldtusker:
I bet you that if I wrote a piece about space aliens you’d find a way to insert the kenyatta land grabbing legacy into the comment section.
Lord, CT
The more you write, the more ignorance you betray
1) Jomo Kenyatta was the leader of the Mau Mau. Mau Mau IS a secret society and you did not expect Jomo to admit that he was a member of the Mau Mau in court. I suggest you read that book about the trial of Kenyatta at Kapenguria. It was a farce.
2) You do not know anything about the Mau Mau. If you knew anything about it, you would know that Chief Koinange, Mbiyu Koinange and Jomo Kenyatta were giving the Mau Mau oath as early as 1949 in Kiambaa, Kiambu. I have personally spoken to veterans who were oathed by the trio in Kabete.
3) If you knew anything about the Mau Mau, you would also know that the British realised that the Mau Mau were serious when they shot Senior Chief Waruhiu at Gachie, Kiambu in 1950.
4) Have you ever heard of the Lari Massacre?
I truly tell you that if you touch Jomo’s land, you will see what you have never seen in Kenya.
We want land reforms but we want them to be backdated to 1886 not 1963. Land reform is not about focusing on one family i.e the Kenyattas.
You can payuka all you want, but the fact remains that Kenyatta was the leader of the Mau Mau. Kenyatta’s cabinet and government had alot of Mau Mau veterans e.g. Koinange, Gichuru, Angaine, Kiano etc Mau Mau was not only composed of the fighters in the forest. There were alot of Mau Mau outside the forests in the villages and towns.
Do your research boys before you say blah blah blah…….
KE
They are talking about revolutionaries because they have read it in novels. They think its romantic.
How can anyone in their right minds talk about war when Kenya is doing so well?
Instead of using their energy positively, they are using it negatively. They will then lag behind and then start blaming others for their failures.
This is why I support dictatorship. You just have to think for some people. They cannot think for themselves. Ni utoto tu mtupu. Cry babies.
josh: A mwizi is a mwizi… and kamau was a mwizi… Just like we scrapped moi day… we shall scrap kenyatta day… I think we should re-name it MAU MAU day to celebrate the REAL freedom fighters not the home guards…
Josh
Hope you are serious of 1886!!! Why then do yo complain about Kalenjins…..No Kyuk ever set foot on RV till after the whiteman came?
Do you know the AKAMBA problems only started after independence…We are now aware and our future is tied to other Kenyans
Jomos Land will be touched in RV,Coast..Believe it..Even Central
Kenyans have come of age….How dare you say we are doing well…say ‘i am doing well.’. With Inflation at 30% and rising ..Millions of youth unemployed..Rampant coruption with no posibility of ending …..ethnic tensions….a revolution is desirable
Lord, Josh
I support the 1886 position as well. This is an issue that has been discussed before in Central. Lists of which family owned what have already been prepared.
As for your ranting about revolution, that is fine with us.
You want a revolution, bring it on then.
One thing is for sure though, some people had a plan to make Kikuyus irrelevant after 2007. This plan miserably failed but the whole country suffered.
So before you prescribe violence as a solution to your problems, think twice.
Yes, I am doing well, thanks be to Ngai Mwene Nyaga. I was not always doing this well. I have worked hard for whhat I have and I will defend it ferociously.
Does any of you want to buy some properties I have built in Nairobi?
I guess not! Coz you are jealous……. Ha!
Lord
It is childish to say that a revolution will solve the youth’s unemployment. It will not. It will lead to great loss of life, suffering and displacement for millions of Kenyans.
CT
When you lose an argument, stop name calling.
I am also a Kenyan, just like you said you are. The only difference between me and you is that I have Luos, Luhyias, Kambas, Kalenjins and Kikuyus working for me. They feed and educate their families from the money that I pay them. I also pay my taxes.
How many people have you employed?
It is what you can for your country that matters and not what your country can do for you.
Even with Raila (your candidate) in government, you are still whinging! God help us!
KEI O
For the second time you are but JOSH…
Notice you answering ‘iam doing well thanks to Nyaga’ when the question had been put to Josh
KeIo=Josh
Why the ID problem ?
Lord
Why the obession with Josh and I – haven’t you noticed that we take almost identical positions on issues? We belong to the same political formation. We are now in contact – thanks to this wonderful blog.
However, stop avoiding the real issues – you are way out of line advocating for a revolution in Kenya. As the Nigerians say, you will be jumping from the bonfire to the fire.
Kei O
Listen ! How else will you get your ancestral land which stretches to may be the CBD ? Its only by a REVOLUTION….its possible for you to get ! !!! Just be BRAVE
Lord
And that is why I said the idea of a revolution is nonsense.
I am not interested in a revolution. Do you think I am willing to lose the bird I have in hand chasing the bird in the bush? Kenyans are not that stupid.
The lesson you should have learnt in 2007 is that peace is paramount.
Do you think capital is going to wait for you to finish your revolution? No – it is going to flee to more secure havens.
Look at Congo today – they cry for Mobutu’s days, bad as he was. Why? Because you only realise the value of peace once you lose it.
I tell you that I would arrest you if I was the head of the NSIS. You are inciting chaos and yet you have confessed here that you will run away before the elections of 2012.
By the way, you cannot have a revolution in Kenya – you will have a tribal war. How would you like that?
The country will be left to brutes – just like what has happened to Somalia and Congo.
Kei O
I see you are still me in Lord’s eyes. That is real ironic. I find it really funny.
I don’t think you will convince these people about their fake revolutions. I guess we have to follow the sayings of the wise: mtoto akililia wembe, mpe.
Let them have their tribal civil war for the next 30 years like Somalia. They will then come to their senses and realise the world has moved on.
They will then be whinging for the “good old days”. Silly Silly Silly.
Lord
This is what I mean when I say that land reforms will be backdated to 1886.
http://www.kaamasaa.com/newsstory.php?id=985
the owner of this blog is a fool, who attracts fools to follow after her.
The most glaring thing about the report is the absence of the name of the Prime Minister, another idjit, who has breathed and taught violence all his life. Quite typical that the Kikuyu and Luo should unite to insult the Kalenjin, and to insult the people of the Coast, even as the Luo keep lamenting, look at the idiot ColdTusker, about marginalisation. get a job, moron. Your politicians and even ODMers from the rest of the country are telling you, you are worse than Kalenjin, at least wana mashamba. Wacha setting a bad example to your children, the government is not there to give you money.
Na kazi iendelee. stop idling, wacha being a little victim.
wewe KE, read a serious book today. Ulisoma nini? Communication? Like i said, kazi iendelee.