The Not-So Quiet Military Shake-up
Is anyone surprised that there is an ongoing military shake-up taking place? you shouldn’t be because we talked about this extensively during last years election violence. Like I said numerous times (& I got a lot of flack for saying it) – Kibaki has got to get rid of the Kalenjins in the army before he leaves office in 2012.
Why do people want to believe that politics is a lovey dovey game? It’s not. It has never been and it will never be. At the end of the day, politics is about power and if you want that power, you have to fight for it and you have defeat your opponents and you have to destroy them and in Africa, the “destroying” part is taken quite literally sometimes!
As I was reading the Nation article above, this paragraph caught my attention: “If things remain constant and the three top military officers retire by August next year, then Lt-Gen Tuwei, who heads the National Defence College (NDC), could become the new leader of the military. Lt-Gen Tuwei, Vice CGS Karangi and Lt-Gen Njoroge are all three-star generals”.
Okay. I’m not even going to beat around the bush with this. Lt. Gen. Tuwei is absolutely not going to become the new leader of the military. The new leader of the military is either going to be a Kikuyu or a Mkamba. Do you people understand what is happening? The army is full of Wakamba’s and Kibaki needs them. Kibaki and Kalonzo are working on this together and in 2012, Kenya’s security forces will have been “tribally” sorted out.
However, as I indicated before, this re-organization is going to take time, but slowly by slowly, the armies tribal re-balancing is going to keep taking place until everything is ready by 2012.
The Kikuyu’s cannot allow Odinga and Ruto to ascend to power after what happened to them in the rift valley. Look at recent statements made by William “eat-your-mama” Ole Ntimama. Kibaki and Michuki are not going to allow these people to obtain power. They have to control the guns and that is exactly what they are going to do.
Kenyan Pundit is wondering why they aren’t arresting Ntimama. William “I’m gonna eat your mama” Ntimama is an old man. Look at him. He can barely walk. They’re not going to waste their time arresting him. They know who all the planners of the violence were and if they wanted to get them they could, but that is not the priority right now, but I’d still be nervous if I were William Ruto.
Now I’ll wait for the peace-niks to come out and start hollering.
I still think Ntimama should be arrested and asked to clarify what he exactly meant by saying that “we killed 600 people here”.
Who are these dead people? Was Raila party to these killings?
Alternatively, Kibaki & Co should grant Ntimama immunity on condition that he turns state witness.
KE:
Why don’t you do your bit as a patriotic Kenyan journalist and circulate the video clip of Ntimama’s confession? Send it to that Canadian journalist and the International Criminal Court.
Why hasn’t the story been picked up by the BBC, SKY, Al-Jazeera and CNN?
One would have thought such a confession would warrant international attention.
Did I hear that Kalenjins held clandestine meetings in Dallas recently? Let us hope Mr Michael Gichangi is not asleep.
@ KE, ALL
All you poor whiners…
Gen Kasaon is kalenjin..Promoted last week to commander Eastern Front…(Only two such commands in Kenya) Eastern & Western
About 7 Kalenjins were promoted too to Brig…Colonels..Major.. etc…
There is something you fail to understand….
THE VIOLENCE of 2007 was perpetrated by CIVILIANS NOT THE army
AGAIN it was NOT Kalenjins alone who killed Kyuks..Masais DID KILL massively too….(The Kikuyu would want to paint a kalenjin perpetrator…Ntimama woould have been arrested if was Kalenjin…..)
The Kikuyu are a majority in the army..have been since GEN Tonjes(kalenjin) reforms of of disttrict balancing…..But still form 12 % of the army..The kalenjins form about 8 %..Kamba about 7%..Luhya about 10 %..,Luo about 10 % ….ITS TRULY a NATIONAL army and KIBAKI WILL NOT CHANGE THAT..
The Kikuyu officers have the highest drop OUT rate though due to going out to start bussinesss in TOWN….beacuse of this very few rise to senior command jobs beacuse they do not SERVE that LONG
For KIBAKI to effect the ‘KE PLAN ‘ he would NEED abou 15 years of cultivating young Kikuyu officers with a long term military career…A TIME HE OBVIOUSLY DOES NOT HAVE and Kikuyu rank a file do not have
KE & all,
I’ll have to change the topic a little bit. I’ve just read the “tough new measures” that the kenyan gvt has instituted as a measure to curb the recent violence in secondary schools.
I didn’t even finish the story coz I was so amazed, perplexed and frankly pissed at the new measures. Honestly my exact reaction was “WTF??!!!!!” “wtf!!!!!!!!” and finally “WTF????!!!!!!!!!!!”
I mean some of the “tough” measures include banning cell phones from schools, stop schools buying luxury buses with TVs and powerful music systems,removal of music systems and DVDs from school buses, among other measures.
My goodness, as if having dvds and cell phones are the real problems
LORD
What you fail to understand is that there are many Kalenjin Officers that were promoted during the previous regime that did not have qualifications. I mean Standard six drop outs that are Colonels.And these are the target.Read the Nation article again and you will see Gen.Kianga ordered a review of all military commissioned officers from the rank of major and above.Those “who fall short of qualification will be axed”….thats his quote.What do you think that means???
If you still don’t get me…find out the education level of former CGS..Gen.Lenges. I mean this guy couldn’t utter five English words.(But he was a Samburu though.I guess thats still RV crew).
##DEE
Do not forget that this reforms of education were initiated by Gen Tonje (Kalenjin..Sandhust.Military coll.etc)…He worked out a strategic plan that said among other things
1) Continous education will lead promotion
2) One cannot serve more than 4 Years in one Rank above a 1st leutenant..
……..
This was MID 90′s
It was this four year rule that removed Tonje (Moi asked him to continue on but he said he cannot break his own Rule)…..
THEN comes KIBAKI and forces KIBWANA to break a scheme by asking him to serve more than FOUR YEARs (mediocrity creeping.in ..)
IT SEEMS you think that Kalenjins in high ranks are not educated.?….Its these same ‘closure’ that affected the KIBAKI regime (and people like you) .. till you are aworken (not you) by you know what happened……
AGAIN if you get KE’s argument ‘ He/she means Kalenjins EDUCATED OR NOT must GO’…HE/She advocates the Kikuyunisation Kambanisation(for as long as they are in PNU) of the army…..
GOOD LUCK
#DEE
For your Information Kalenjin security officers are extreemly in high demand in Kenya…Foregn Missions,Embassies,Ministers and other VIPs specificaly ask for them
Michuki, PRES muthaiga hse,Mutula,ALI of police , believe or not asked for them and are guarded by KALS as you read this line…
GEN LENGES was a PAL of MOI
He become a casualty of Gen Tonjes reform…Had to retire as per GEN Tonjes scheme
Lord, All
I attended Raila’s meeting yesterday in London and he appears to be a changed man. He said that he regrets the violence and he is willing to work together with Kibaki and all other leaders.
I believe he may be realising that he was used by Kalenjins who had their own different malicious agenda.
He disappointed a young lady who asked whether he is prepared for 2012 in case he is “robbed” of victory by the “same people” who robbed his father (Jaramogi) of victory.
Raila said all that is in the past and he will never support violence again! Even Balala gave a very reconciliatory speech and said that he regrets the loss of life.
However, I could not help noticing that 90% of the audience was Kikuyu and Raila, Elmy and Balala were the only ODM ministers in the delegation. The rest were Michuki, Kiraitu, Wetangula and Mutula Kilonzo. They probably felt abit outnumbered. It was like they were sorrounded.
This man Michuki is feared – there was not a sound in the room when he spoke. Yawa! I fear that man!
NB: Sorry for deviating from the topic but I thought I would update you.
Lord:
You are raising very good counter-points and I suppose people can read both views and come to their own conclusions about what they believe is happening or is going to happen.
However, let me ask you a question. My obsession with the Kalenjin comes from their being behind the ethnic cleansing in the rift valley that really began in 1992 under Moi. It then continued on into 1997 and it happened again in 2007. Before 1992, Kenya had never experienced this kind of targeted ethnic violence and you need to answer this question honestly: This 15 year span of violence has been planned and funded by kalenjin politicians and maybe even by Kalenjins in the army and that’s why I think they have to be removed from the army and why Kibaki needs to deal with them once and for all. You can’t allow these Kalenjins to keep using violence to settle their historical or political scores. So, answer this question: who has been planning these ethnic clashes since 1992?
Kei O:
Raila always says the right things in public, but he won’t fool people this time around. Kibaki’s legacy is ruined, but so was Raila’s with this violence.
@LORD
I agree with you about Rtd. Gen.Daudi Tonje’s reforms.He even turned Defence College in Karen into a world class facility.We don’t have to neccessily send our officers abroad in bulk anymore.Other African countries especially Rwanda train their Officers at Karen. Kudos to Gen. Tonje. But here is my question to you….How do you educate a 50 something standard 5 drop out to a higher education?
Kei O
You are right. Raila almost fooled me with his sweet talk. Then I remembered the violence against Kiuks/Kisiis and the fact that there are still IDPs and I quickly recovered from the spell.
He is not getting my vote.
#Dee
Gen Tonjes is a sundhurst graduate and his scheme borrows much from the british military tradition…He wanted to create Kenyas own sandhurst…(karen military academy)
Of course we had a past ( Mulinge,Mahoumoud, Lenges….Lengeses son married Mois own grand daugther) of a quasi proffesional army…very dangerous thing indeed…
So found initially were the over 50 ,class 5 commisioned officers…..This were powerful individuals (lenges,Mohammoud who had direct access to the CinC aka MOI)…..Tonje cleverly inserts in education,
and BMI..(body mass index)…guys were commanded to drop from BMI over 33 to 25 withn six months…..(loosing over 60Kg) in six months…Many guys opted to retire….Tonje is extreemly lean
Kianga is an admirer of Tonje ..He invites Tonje to deliver a lecture annually at Karen…..
Kenyas Military is on the right track…todays officers are younger and really like the army…well renumerated etc
NOTE:::
Education in the army is whats is called Military education……Of course a BCOM PHD graduate or a lawyer is of no use without miltary science…..
And this Military science is not an easy …combination of IQ,Will power,displine…and the core biz itself)…..
THEREFORE we have a few dinnosours beacuse of our past…..3yrs and it be clean
#KEI O
I agree with you…Raila has changed…I watched an interview he gave some western media (CNN orr BBC..not sure ) and was touched whn he said……’you cannot compare Mugabe and Kibaki… Mugabe stole the election outright…..Kibaki and I had a dispute of results…..)
Was happy to be Kenyan after a long while
#KE
You asked a very dificult question…who is planning clashes among the Kalenjin since ’92?
Its dificult beacuse such a complex issue one cannot have full knowledge but its the sum of this partial info that might shed light on all picture.
The clashes started in 92 ,97 and 07 and many intermitent clashes between
BUT the whole thing statrted in in the 40′s ,50′s….(read MoI..Making of an African statesman by Morton)
In 1950′s Kalenjins armed themselves with bows and arrows after a huge number of Kikuyus evicted from wazungu farms (Mau Mau) encrouched a kalenjin reserve in Lenguroune in Molo
NOTE: The colonials had work cut out for each communuty in Kenya..Kikuyus could only get farm jobs, Luos were Railway and carpentry….Kalenjins ,Kamba were only for militay jobs
Hence you could get a Kalenjin askari/soldier gaurding a coloinal fort in Nyeri and get Kikuyu picking pyrethrum flowers deep in Kalenjin land
Then came lancaster and Kalenjins ,Masais,Coastals ,Soamalis Demanded Majimbo and was put in in the 63 constitution ..where 7 provinces were created for tribes who aggreed to be with each other…The Kalenjins ,Masais and Turkanas agreed to be together in the RV…They put a clause in the constitution …still there today..
…. to change a Provincial boundary requires a referendum from the specific province…Moi,Kibaki created district..None could create a province
…all land matters belonged to the specific province….(later ammended)
The above two clauses were put in specifically by kalenjins to safe gaurd their land
Kalenjin land is the most geographically arrable land in whole of Kenya (No dispute about this )…Its a highland,cool with ample rainfall and above all free from Malaria and Tsetse……Thats why kalenjins are generaly a healthier lot wealth for wealth….
Then came in indepence where Kikuyu teamed with Luos and formed the Kanu gov…Kenyatta soon starved the provinces of cash till they accepted to change Kenya into a republic..64…The Kalenjin saw this as a scheme for Kenyatta to steal their land…….they still maintined that land is under trust in the provinces even after a replucan const…
Kenyatta fell out with Jaramogi…Alraedy Kenyatat and is Kikuyu friends have given themselves land in Centarl..so many kikuyu peasants were agiting for land and Kenyatta was worried…..
He hatched a scheme to Make MOI is VP…(forming an hegemony with Kalenjins)…This was a masterstroke for soon the land clause was ammended…Moi was asked a favour by Kenyatta to oversee the land distribution …Moi being a giraffe saw his niche…he had Kikuyu by the the horns…Moi parcelled small pieces deep within Kalenjin comunities..ensuring they were completely sourounded by Kalenjins (a militarry strategy only a Kalenjin would see)
IN 1969 Seroney (Tinderet MP) declared war on Kikuyus…in Kalenjin land…Kenyatta and Moi quickly placates them dishing huge pieces of land to Kalenjins compltely engulfing the incooming Kikuyu….Though the Kale population was low they got so much land….they kept peace for long..
Then Moi came to power…Was accused by Kalenjins for trading land for power….Moi does the only thing he knows dishes jobs,plots,money to Kalenjins asuaging them.
Then came 92 (Multy party)…Kikuyus abandon Moi en mass : Moi really gets depressed …arouses his people now
1) we invited this Kikuyu…look they are not even gartefull..oh..oh..
No MONEY is needed To cause war ,for Kals only want their land at any cost
First clashes begin:
THEN came 02
MOI forces in uhuru Kenyatta among Kalenjins:
Kalenjins cant see Moi s strategy….Reluctantly vote in Uhuru (70% Kal) . 30% of Kal vote to Kibaki
Kibaki with new Luo allies (insistence of Luo really harangue the kaelnjins…Sally Kosgei tossed out…Gen Sumbeioywo..hounded out etc)
Then came the REFerendum….Kibakis tries to make Kenya more and more republican (highly centralised)…Kalenjins go mad…Even Moi joins the Kalenjins..Raila sees is niche
Then 07…Kalenjins honestly believe Raila was robbed of victory daylight…Start war immidietely…Kalenjins are dissapointed by Luo incapacity to fight….
Raila becmes PM….
CONCLUSION
This kalenjins do not need a sponsor to go to war:
They have a cause: LAND
Ruto did not sponsor ..otherwise who sponsored 92
VIOLENCE already paid for them…For belive me From 92 to 2008
Over half a million have left permently Kalenjin territory….
Millions of others prevented from comming IN (futures very low)
Kalenjin is the hotest topic in Kenya and outside (more Kalenjin nationalism)
Other comunities have learned…to stick up their necks paving way for an all out conflagration later…or permanent peace……
GOD SAVE KENYA
Ps: came in deep contact with Kals in 80′s: I travel round the country (my job demands)…will be in Central the whole of second week of august
Lord
Those are urban myths you are propagating.
It is a very simple issue – crimes have been committed and the law should take its course.
Violence begets violence – that is why the human race came up with laws.
Supposing we all went about demanding lands that supposedly belonged to us. I can tell you there would be no Kenya.
Kalenjins or anybody else have no monopoly of violence. They got hurt and displaced as well – especially in the Molo, Nakuru area. Furthermore, the violence has really affected businesses and land values in their areas. Who is the ultimate loser?
Kalenjins, Luos, Kikuyus etc do not have a right to demand government jobs/positions on the basis of ethnicity. It should be based on merit. That is why they are now being forced to sign performance contracts – including ministers!
For Kalenjins to start whining that “their people” were fired in 2003 is a joke. They were fired because they were incompetent and did not deserve the positions in teh first place. We all know what happened to the Kenyan economy when they were in power for 24 years. They are not getting power anytime soon. That I can promise you.
The only solution is for people to stop dwelling on negative ethnicity. That is the only we can make progress. We all need each other.
#KEI O
Answer KE ‘s question…Why have the Kalenjins been using violence since 92?
Who as been funding them…….?
Do not skirt around issues…oh…urban myths….this are crimes…Well why were the crimes commited is our (KE and I) Question
Lord:
I will answer my own question. Moi introduced this notion of ethnic violence in 1992 to prove that democracy could not work in Africa and if implemented, it would lead to ethnic violence.
So, beginning in 1992, Moi funded and planned the ethnic violence against the Kikuyu’s in the rift valley. They were his most ardent opponents, the calls for democratic change were being led by Kikuyu’s (in Moi’s belief) and he was going to make them pay, but he was also going to “prove” to the west, that these forced calls for democracy in Africa would lead to violence. So, essentially, Moi, manufactured his own “proof” with deadly consequences (deadly consequences targeted specifically against the Kikuyu).
In 1997, Moi, who was not prepared to step down yet, again used ethnic violence to prove his point. However, the Kalenjins saw the benefits of this violence: i.e. thousands of Kikuyu’s were forced to leave their land, which was then taken over by Kalenjins.
In 2007, the Kalenjin politicians, who’d had 24 years to accumulate massive wealth, continued Moi’s strategy. They organized and funded these milita groups and like you said, to them, the violence appeared to work because it displaced half a million Kikuyu’s from their land. However, this time because Moi was no longer there to protect them, their strategy was miscalculated. I believe Kibaki is absolutely intent on seeing that those Kikuyu’s get back to their land because he knows what the Kalenjin strategy is and has been and the return of these refugee’s is part of the overrall security mop-up, but that mop-up is going to take time to implement.
On Moi’s autobiography:
I did read it when it first came out and it’s quite unfortunate that a man who’d been in power for that long was unable to tell an honest story about who he is and what he did (good and bad) – this is what makes autobiographies interesting: You have to be able to talk honestly about your life, otherwise, it’s a waste of time to read it.
Anyway, there was nothing in that sham autobiography that was interesting or enlightening. The only thing I got out of it, which I’m sure the author didn’t realize he was projecting, was that Moi was a very lonely man who didn’t have any close relationships in his life.
*He was divorced from his wife and not close to her.
*He complains about all his children in the book and talks about how disappointed he is with pretty much all of them.
*He seems not to have trusted many of his political co-workers.
*He was a workaholic who never spent any significant time with his children, grand-children or even friends. No mention of vacations, family gatherings or anything. He just worked all the time and didn’t feel the need to develop personal relationships.
African presidents need to start keeping records of their time in office and then do like America, keep the records sealed for like 30 years after they leave office and then open them up to historians to study and write about. This is how a country preserves it’s history and it’s too bad that Moi will die without ever having recorded his almost 50 year journey inside Kenya’s political power structure.
Lord,
That’s an informed summary of those events, you must be a good student of history…but in todays economies the kenyan dream (vision2030)….these pre-historic land issues will have no place. So its good to understand that part of the story, but remember: kenyans are catching up to recover those years of the very same politics of nyayo & colonial days. The parliament should be getting up to speed with topics of todays realities (protecting intellectual properties,renewable energy, releasing more bandwidth for telecoms etc…) Legislative and legal issues to grow our economy if we want to take on the four asian tigers head to head, leave alone india.
I will give you an example, major cities like new york, people are willing to buy rooftop rights, where you can buy so many sq ft on top of a building, and put up your structure,swimming pool, etc as if it was a regular plot.Legal. And thereis NO land shortage across USA . See , this is where we will be headed…no shortcuts, really!..nairobi will need subways, shuttles, by-passes etc if we are to accomodate the kind of gooodies developed worlds handle.
Kei O
Urban Myths???……lol lol…
LoRD
Good work But don’t defend Ruto.Just because he didn’t sponsor 92 violence doesn’t make him innocent in 2007.By the way,wasn’t he the Deputy Leader of YK92 behind Jirongo? We all know the violence they unleashed on multiparty advocates in 1992.
KEI O,
I know you are the legal stuff guy
“It is a very simple issue – crimes have been committed and the law should take its course”. Don’t you think that one of the reasons Kenya had to put up with that dark period in its history is because the legislature is still prehistoric, we have dinoseurs in the parliament who cannot report to duty to make laws which are adapable to todays world. For example , a clause that can put AG Wako in jail for not enforcing the law. OR a law that can treat Kales in RV just like the UsofA did to Red indians, give them the land, declare it theirs, even give them sovereignity, lock them IN it, and lock OUT all the resources. KE can build a casino in their land and give them Busaa or Chang’aa and make a ching.(Sorry KE, u’r a capitalist, the money guy.) But the new yorker building on the rooftop will be richer than the entire indian clan that owns all the reserve between denver and las vegas.
But tell Lord and KE who’s funding the kalenjins??
KE,ALL
Your view is Ok except you have to remember that 92 Violence by Kalenjins was against all tribes in the RV (except their cousins Turkana, Masais(who perpetrated violence then and now):
The Luhyas,Luos,Kisiis & Kikuyu were the victims. If the Kikuyu seemed to bear the greater brunt it was because they were many …..
This violence seems to have polical undertones too.. and has acquired a life of its own
ON MOI design to create voilence to proof his theory is contestable (he said last week i told you
) ….check am no trained psychologist but it would NOT be stretching much to see MOI loves Kikuyus………He broke his mariage because he loved a Kikuyu woman Lilian (who is a wife of a famous Kikuyu tycoon now and the Tycoon to spite Moi named a landmark hotel Lilian..AM told MOI went mad he naerly bombed the HSE 
)
..This Moi on many ocassions would tell people to work hard like Kikuyu…oh….oh…
He admired this people and was always craving for their love (something which even infuriated Kikuyus more)…you know that feeling when a guy you do not like keeps poping up………
He even brought in UHURU against his Kalenjin thoughts…….
Come 2007 He supported Kibaki for the very same reosons..He has suppresed love for Kikuyus…..Thats my theory i could be very wrong
WHATS THE WAY Forward then…For we have a PAST…WE cannot say we have no problem
This violence has acquired a life of its own…NONE needs to be paid anymore…..We need SOME ONE TO MANAGE THIS…….and its risky
AM excited by the level of sophistication others have reached…like the NY land on the roof…….
You must have been joking ! Say more
Lord
You made me laugh there with the MOI LOVE AFFAIR with the Kikuyu. That was real funny.
However, I believe KE has a point when he/she says that the initial violence in 1990 was initiated by Moi and his cronies as a campaign tool. He then did it again in 1997. But Moi always knew when to step back from the brink and the violence never really spread. He was in control of the situation. The country was not in danger of falling to pieces.
He then came up with the idea of promoting Uhuru because he wanted to protect his interests – erroneously thinking that Kikuyus will revenge against him. But Kikuyus had emotionally moved on. They were not interested in revenge. Infact, as a Kikuyu, I have a STRANGE LOVE for Moi. He held the the country together.
Moi’s disciples, primarily Ruto, Kosgey and Kones did not learn the lessons properly. They thought they could really fight the Kikuyu and win. It is not possible to have a winner in such a fight. What you will have is a war of attrition. Armageddon. Kikuyus have a Kamikaze mentality which Moi’s students did not realise. Ask the British and they will tell you more about it. Even as we debate, this violence has never spread to the true Kikuyu areas – around Mt Kenya & Nairobi. God helpf us if it ever did.
But where do we go from here?
I will agree with Razor that Kenya now needs to modernise. Modernise everything, including our thoughts. We should only use the past to show that we have learnt lessons – not as a platform for launching pre-historic ideas.
When Kenya is modern (after 200 yrs) I will write a MUSICAL ON MOI
It will put tears of joy in ALL Kenyans am SURE
LORD….ati when kenya is modern – after 200 years…lol…
I just the saw clip on ntv where ntimama is loosing his cool and making that infamous ” tulimaliza watu mia sita”….and
WOW..Pictures or videos are worth more than a thousand words.
It was clear that this guy had lost his COOL and how foolish is he to be airing his/their dirty laundry in the open like that.
Ruto is smart, the guy chooses not to respond to him and basically maintains his cool and walks away from him.
@RAZOR,
Not All Native Americans (Indians) are poor as you state. Infact the “SEMINOLES” indians are among the richest group of people in the whole world.They own ALL the Hard Rock Resorts and Casinos in the entire planet.I have a 25 year own Seminole friend,he receives $15000 a month check (tax free) doing nothing just because he has a 1/4 seminole blood. Very few Americans are aware of this because the Seminoles are smart to know to keep it on the down low.I swear they own beach mansions,yatchs and latest whips from coasts of Florida to Texas and you don’t even know.Talk of “American Indian problems”….nobody has a crue. And to keep it in the tribe….ONLY men can inherit the “pay scheme” to prevent outsiders like “me” from marrying one of their own to reap the benefits.Of course am sure they are poor Indians but my Seminole experience changed my perception of them.
@RAZOR
I will go out all the way and declare “The Seminoles” as the Richest Tribe in the entire World.May our Kenyan govt. can borrow a leaf and have similar programs for Kenya’s marginalised groups Like upper Eastern(Borana,Rendille) and entire NEP(Kenya Somali).Also the entire upper RV (Pokot,Turkana,Samburu). Kales are NOT marginalized,they just like to whine…jk.
#mzeiya
I agree totally
Ntimama is an embarassment: Even more embarrasing is to bee seen to harrass the old dinosour (ailing ,old,all that)…..
TO ALL,
Ntimama was referring to the “Enosopukia” clashes that happened in the late 90s.NOT the “Election Clashes”.But as an old man,10 years ago may seem like yesterday.Anyways in those Clashes,Ntimama,as a minister in Moi’s government (Local govt.) ordered Kikuyus to vacate Enosopukia Highlands because they are a water catchment zone for the Maasais downstream.Ofcourse Kikuyus bought this land and weren’t ready to vacate. As Ntimama promised,Maasai warriors were unleashed and hundreds of Kikuyus were killed and others displaced to Naivasha.To add to the mayhem,they were followed there and slaughtered even more. The press was banned and anyone offering help was stopped in their tracks by security forces with “orders from above”.Thats how that white Catholic father started rubbing the wrong shoulders and we all know his demise later.”Mau” is the modern Enosopukia but this time it pits Maasais vs.Kipsigis.When it comes to defending Water sources,Ntimama knows no friends.The only IRONY here is that Ntimama was in the govt. when KANU dished Mau forest to Kipsigis but said Nothing.His focus then was “the Ibos of Kenya”…Remember “Lie low like envelopes”….
TRUE STORY….During the World indegenous Conference in Mexico,Ntimama introduced himself as “The minister for Maasai Affairs”,a position that never existed in Kenya despite being sent there with tax payers money.
TO ALL,
Now that we are talking of Ntimama…….Remember the “Maasai Supremacy wars” btn. him and Saitoti. It was a war of Radicalism vs.moderation. We all Know Biwott was behind it coz he wanted to trim Saitoti and avert him from succeeding Moi. Do you people know that Biwott seriously wanted to be Prez after Moi.Were it not for All those Murder scandals this short “total man” might have used all means neccessary to achieve that goal.His Israeli wife even called him “Prez Nick”.Anyways my point is ….Remember when those “morans” invaded the Nairobi Courts and sat on the Judge’s chair? Wow! Only in Kenya.I heard the mess left on that chair….I can’t even write it down.Then they unleashed terror on innocent Nairobians just because Saitoti allegedly was “kikuyu”.Thats Ntimama’s mentality. And he’s now in Raila’s govt. I don’t care what anyone say about Kibaki …We have come from far especially when you think of those dark ages of Moi era (error).
Dee:
This is why I am happy that kibaki is the president. After the election violence of this past election, there is no way in hell that any Kikuyu will ever, ever vote for Raila again and without this large voting bloc on his side, it is going to be another very close election. This time, I believe the Luhya vote will be crucial. Last time, the Kamba vote was split, but if Kalonzo runs, he’ll get all the kamba votes. Where the Luhya vote will go is still an open question.
I wonder how Raila can keep someone like Ntimama in the ODM cabinet. He is a true embarrassment.
It is true that without a Kikuyu candidate, Raila is not going anywhere near the presidency.
Simple maths will tell you that ODM-K and PNU votes combined are enough to give a candidate from that group a clear majority.
But is this what we really want?
My opinion is that this type of winner-takes-all democracy is no longer workable in Kenya. This is what led to the chaos because no group wanted to be locked out of government.
Kikuyus have vowed to a man that they will never ever be marginalised again the way they were marginalised during Moi’s time. Luos have also now tasted power and they are quickly getting addicted (just look at Raila’s attire when he went to see Gordon Brown
)
We should just have a permanent Grand Coalition.
JOSH,
No matter what RAILA may want you to think about him,the bottom line is hes a regular typical Kenyan politician. Ntimama is in the cabinet coz of the Maasai equation in the ODM.So away with his character but “Tribal issue” matters most.Only in KENYAN Democracy where murderers,thieves and any other shady characters can still run the govt. without fear just because they represent so and so tribe. Remember touching them means you have touched their whole tribe(Just like hundreds of Morans invading Nairobi coz Ntimama was under siege by Saitoti).And the political dance continues…..(What a smart ideology to cover up for your sins).
KE
You raise an interesting point BUT do you think Kikuyus will vote with one voice? Seems like with GEMA back the old Kiambu /Nyeri rivalry might be resurected. To make my point, The Nyeri “Mafia” led by your hero Peter Kuguru want to install RAILA as a Kikuyu Elder.The rest of Kikuyu land especially Kiambu (except Njonjo)is against it. But we know the political reasons behind Njonjo’s marriage to Raila and Luo Nyanza.So if this ceremony becomes a reality,what scheme do you think Raila is working on towards Central Kenya votes? All he needs is 30% of it and he’s through(hoping RV is still with him).
My predictions:
The Odmers believe Raila won the 07 presidency..this means no chalenger in ODM will face Raila for candidancy…..(they have this moral feeling for Raila..it was his seat they say..). Kibaki almost fed into this two weeks ago when in Nyeri he said (Raila and I are in charge..the others can wait…)
So we have Raila on ODM…The Luhya will definately go for RAILA..They are eying (Mudavadi now that Kombo and bukusu line are spoiled goods)
Kisii will back RAILA..(Alraedy he enjoys 60% support) add THE Kissi IDPs who got a raw deal (they got very little support from Gov)..They will ask themselves are Kikuyus or Kalenjins neighbours? They will choose ODM to have peace in RV
The RV & Coastals….NEP will go for Raila……(after the rv vilonce they are tied like a knot with Raila)
THIS leaves Kalonzo vs Gema
If kalozo is backed by GEMA a 07 scenario will likely emerge which will split the country and we might never recover (…Karua and Merus may object Kalonzo saying ….oh…we have always worked for Gema now they are bringing a pennilless outsider..oh..when will they choose us?)
If Kalonzo is shunted The Kamba and Kalonzo will back Raila to spite the KIKUYU ..[.Merus,Embus too may surpport Raila ....(..NYAGA,KARUA....are the most dangerous now for gema)]
JOSH mentioned something…..every one is now addicted to power….This is the scenario ODM wants..This will AUTOMATICALLY bring FEDERALISM within a decade for it will be the ONLY WAY to share power permanently…..
SAITOTI is KAPUT each ever way …He cannot stand outside GEMA for he canot even get surpport of the Massai….If GEMA chooses him Kalonzo will join ODM
DONT forget the PM , 2 DPP seats….They are not as toothless as we thought (see kimunya begging Raila to stop censure…now everyone is seeks approval for any projects to the PM to save their hides incase of any problems) …..Next time they will go to the wining party and the Party with most MPS ie ODM
That means all these will be available for ODM. (most mps countywide)…Thse Spaeker and Deputy speaker too will go to ODM…
ODM thus has a lot of REAL SEATS woo supporters…..
I DID NOT understand why kibaki agreed on this..MOI has NEVER RECOGNIZED the PMses (3months on)…..MOI knows the PNU possition to woo anybody will be NIL…even if they won presidency[pnu] ..they will only have a president and ministers from his party[pnu] laeving very few pnu backbencers….and all other seats going to ODM…ie PM, 2DPP,2spaekers,Leader of Opposition…The GOV will get a vot of no CONFIDENCE
RAILAS strategy is simple ..get as many MPS as possible………
Lord, KE
Moi was a KIKUYU ELDER but he did not get any Kikuyu votes when it mattered – 1992 & 1997. He only got Kikuyu votes via Uhuru, when he was not on the ballot paper.
There is one thing you have forgotten, the actual vote count is still what matters. GEMA & ODM-K votes plus a sprinkling from other regions are enough to see a PNU candidate win the election. Remember some Districts in NEP have almost less people than some constituencies in GEMA areas.
The other point you must understand is that the recent violence has seen the GEMA more united than they ever were. Do you know there was a massive boycott of the Raila meeting meeting London? There are dark mutterings that Raila is responsible for the Kikuyu deaths and no one has been punished. This is coming from all GEMAs.
There is a clear understanding of what COULD have happened if ODM had assumed power on a winner-takes-all basis. There was going to be an annihilation of the Kikuyu and their perceived allies. You heard it here first – these people have sworn that they will NEVER EVER be irrelevant in Kenyan politics.
The dream of a Raila presidency and a Ruto Prime Ministership is a nightmare to GEMAs. One character that is even more hated by the GEMAs is RUTO and he is associated with Raila.
If Raila even wants Kikuyus to take him seriously, let alone vote for him, he MUST get rid of Ruto. Raila will not do this because ODM would fall apart. But then who knows? Anything is possible in Kenyan politics.
@KE
Whats your beef with kaleos, all kales care about is freedom. what the hell do u think we sacrificed hundreds of our brothers just for a luo president?? As for your millitary shake up issue. moi was smart enough to put kales where it matters most; even though the military recruitment is based on the census.kales are the majority in the army and air force. it will take kibaki atleast 20 plus years to change that, all kales know what kibaki has been doing in the last 5 years: posting some high ranking officers to foreign embassies and retiring some.. he has to be the dumbest president to piss off the military, even moi was not dumb as to piss off all the other tribes in the military. dont you forget that kamba generals were the ones that saved moi in 1982.
pokot
Get your facts right. Moi was not saved by the Kamba generals in 1982. He was saved by the sheer incompetence of the plotters. I was actually in Nairobi on the day!
The man who actually hammered the rebels in Nairobi was Mahmoud Mohamed, later rewarded to become the head of the military.
Do not deify the military. There is nothing special about the military. Mobutu’s army was routed by a small Banyamulenge force. Obote’s military machine was routed by Museveni’s rag tag army.
Kei O,
pokot is right, Gen mulinge, who I believe is kamba, actually saved Moi’s behind.
Dee,
The richest ethnic group in the US is actually indians from india with an average per capita of $66kpa. I agree some red indian tribes near urban areas are rich, after that leglislature in late 80′s allowing them to build casinos…as you say the seminole indians in florida, mohegans in connecticut or lenni-lenape of new jersey. But compare that to the vast majority leaving in reserves, I’ve been to a reserve in wisconsin and its not pretty.
Pokot:
Kalenjins seem to have developed a penchant for organized, mass violence, which was encouraged by the state under moi, which is now being used {again} by politicians like Ruto and which is very dangerous for the country. They have to be stopped.
Moving on..
The coup plotters stopped a senior common rooms to drink busaa and general mahmud mohammed, a non-drinking muslim, swung into action and kicked their drunken butts. The lesson? if you are going to overthrow a government, make sure you are at least sober.
KE, Pokot
It is indeed true the incompetent coup plotters started drinking before executing the “coup”. It was a shambles I tell you. I even laugh when I think about it.
They then announced “victory” on Voice of Kenya before they had secured any of the military garrisons in the city, let alone the country! They just had to be drunk.
In comes Mahmoud Mohamed a young ambitious Somali army officer raring for a fight. It was all over within half an hour. The rest was just Mahmoud showing off!
Mulinge was quietly retired shortly after the coup or the non-coup. How could this have happened in his watch. And guess who got his job – Mahmoud Mohamed.
*****
Compare this with Museveni stowing himself and 11 other men on a truck into Masinde Barracks in Kampala. They proceeded to launch an attack right inside the barracks, steal some weapons and escape! The pro-Obote troops in the barracks panicked thinking they had been invaded by a much bigger force. That was the beginning of the Museveni guerrilla campaign that saw him score a real military victory to power.
They were sober, of course
after watching ‘the last king of scotland’ i’m now convinced that all african armies (maybe not south africa’s) are, for most part, citizens with guns and uniforms.
would you imagine the head of the british army plotting to oust the queen in order to ‘avenge’ his ‘tribe’?
without traditions and a common institutional history, armies are as dangerous as they are useful, and thats why any smart african president wants his armies full of people who speak his language and see things the way he does. however right or wrong that may be.
Pokot,
Every important claim in this post is false. Moi did his best to pack the top ranks of the army with Kalenjin officers. That seriously pissed off most non-Kalenjin officers in the army. (cf. Throup (1987) “The construction and destruction of the Kenyatta State” in Michael G. Schatzberg (ed). 1987 The political economy of Kenya.) Which is why Moi reverted to his usual tactic of divide and rule by enlarging the GSU and initiating extra lines of command. Nonetheless, Kalenjin are not the majority in either the army or the air force; though they are wildly overrepresented in almost all the disciplined forces. The case for reducing that overrepresentation is unanswerable, and the quicker it is done – fairly – the better.
Five rounds of organised ethnic violence since 1991 disprove the claim that ‘all kales care about is freedom’ – a substantial number of them fully support the goal of ridding RVP of non-Kalenjin.
@daniel.waweru
enough said: now what??? are we going to talk about this tribal crap every time we kill each other?? its about time we find solutions one clique at a time. What have u personally done to improve inter-tribal cohesion between uaself and other tribes. i think all kenyan’s learned one thing after the last elections; Your best security is your neighbor, irrespective of tribe. one nobody talks about is how tonnes of lives were saved not by police, but by everyday Kenyan’s. what i am still proud of is that i still drink with my gema buddies like nothing happend,despite the fact that something did…
Pokot,
” what i am still proud of is that i still drink with my gema buddies like nothing happend,despite the fact that something did… ”
Thank Kibaki for that!
Pokot,
We’ve been playing this game far too long. After every round of violence in the past, the cry has gone up that we’re all Kenyans now, so let bygones be bygones. Kenyanness doesn’t entail immunity from legal consequence from wrongdoing (yet). Unless the perpetrators of the violence are brought to book, reconciliation is a sham.
That slogan has not been true in RVP since 1991. Perhaps you’ll retire it.