Who Needs Ministers Anyway?
I know Na-jihadi Bawawa is threatening more violence against the Kikuyu’s, but after watching this news clip of what the army is doing in Mt. Elgon, the so called warriors should not heed Najib “Mullah Omar’s” advice. Look at this:
I was waiting for the cabinet list to be announced, but it appears that it’s not going to happen so we’ll just have to keep waiting. I must say that if there’s one thing ALL Kenyans agree on, it’s the disgusting size of a 40 member cabinet. These politicians are mad. Why is Kibaki pretending to be a “democrat”? I said before that as soon as Koffi Annan jetted out of Nairobi, Kibaki was going to trash that agreement and it appears like that is essentially what he is trying to do. I must say, I was surprised Raila fell for the tricks again (when will this man ever learn?) but it looks like his advisers have finally told him that he is getting screwed {again}.
I also said before that for Kibaki and Michuki, getting control of the “Kalenjin problem” was their top priority and it appears like that is where their focus is. Saitoti was in the RV inspecting the construction of police stations. The Standard also reports that they are going to put up a permanent military base in Mt. Elgon district and it’s no longer a matter of if, but when. I don’t know why people are so focused on this cabinet (is the country functioning less efficiently without an extra 23 ministers?). I suppose my focus all along has been on what they are doing in terms of the security situation. I know my critics keep saying that Kibaki is capitulating and all my predictions about the retaliation were wrong, but they keep missing my point that the re-organization of the security forces will take a good 2 years to become effective and every time I read the papers, the information on what they are doing is right there!
So, if people want to focus on who the minister of agriculture is, they are welcome to do that, but I am going to keep focusing on the restructuring of the police force, the army and the intelligence services.
And of course on Will-Kill Ruto. The whole country now knows that he is the governments public enemy number one. Will that make it harder for the government to “get him”? (& I’m asking this question in all seriousness because this man has clearly become a target).
ruto is (almost) untouchable but if something happens to him, people will forget just like they have forgotten Pio Gama Pinto, Tom Mboya, JM Kariuki & Robert Ouko.
As expected – and u said – kibz was going to trash the accord. Why would he change from 2002? raila tried to meet kibz 1/2 way but kibz actions are rubbing other Kenyans (except GEMA & most kambas) the wrong way.
In the meantime Kenya goes to the dogs.
KE
People never change…Kibaki always thrashes MOUs (because is indecisive by nature)
The Kalenjin are ‘heroes’ in Kenya…All Non Gema communities love this guys..If Ruto was stand for Presidency Tommorow with Kenyatta say Rutto will win hands down. I went round all Kenya last month…Mombosa,Garissa,Lodwar ,Kisumu….Rutto and the Kalenjin are revered . Ask for an opinion in your blog
The way you are approching the security (kalenjin problem) is bound to fail. You are assuming Gema will be in power for ever….Suppose the Kalenjin friendly regiem comes into power ? (likely)..Those pollice stations and military bases will used against Kikuyus…..Again a military base just to check the Kalenjins!!! (this guys will feel great……. )
KE
Tell me how you will insure of your security short of exterminating Kalenjins!!!
Am forced to go this far because you seem fixated on Ruto and Kals….
@ lord. It’ll be a few years, but you will (one can live in hope) someday realize that it is the kind of thinking you’ve displayed here [hailing murderers, looters and rapists as heroes, not understanding that once you set a precedent of violence being rewarded, it will come back to bite you in the behind in the fullness of time] that will keep you down. In fact, you have put my soul at rest. No one needs to actively work on running down your ‘heroes’, they will do it themselves. Re: kalenjin-friendly regime coming into power. Anything is possible. But don’t delude yourself that people are cheering on the kalenjin, maybe among your brotherhood of bloodletting, but not throughout kenya. Your indiscriminate violence is what will bite y’all in the behind should Ruto ever imagine he can run for president. Or do you plan to use your well-honed intimidation techniques on all voters in the republic?
@KE,
We are currently in a low intensity warfare situation, and I guess that’s where we’ll be for a while.
@Pysd Off
Am not the one hailing this guys..They are being hailed by Non Gema chaps.(ie Coast,Nep,Rv,Nyanza,Western)..Do a survey PLEASE
lord
You do talk nonsense.
Do you think Kenyans have forgotten what the so-called Kalenjin rule did to Kenya in 24 years?
Ruto and Co do not realise that the world has completely changed. Kenya was almost invaded by the US and allies in January. Hence the quick agreement.
Violence on that scale will never be tolerated again in Kenya.
Do you want to bet on that?
coldtusker:
You raise a key issue: Has Kenya really gone to the dogs economically? I don’t think it has and as long as the economy doesn’t tank, enough people will tolerate Kibaki(maybe not the Luo’s and Kalejins) but most others will tolerate him and not just kikuyu’s and kamba’s.
It’s all about the economy.
@Kei O
I stick with my opinion of which i know others will support that Ruto is very popular (despite what Kalenjins did in 24 yrs as you put it) in all Kenya outside Central
The US did ban the people suspected of violence from ever visiting US..
US ambassedeuer last week insuanated that Ruto was not among those banned…he said this in response to some in gov demanding Ruto’s exclusion in the yet to be cabinet …..
KE – Kenya has not (yet) gone to the dogs but it is… slowly but surely. kibz skips an important meeting in India where he could have pushed for more Kenyan exports to India to balance out the trade imbalance.
Many Indian firms are investing in Kenya & we need the FDI. kibz could push for the deals. We need Indian expertise which is ’3rd world tested’.
Tourism is still not up to par i.e. it’s at 50% of last year. In the meantime other countries will steal Kenya’s thunder. Tanzania & S.Africa have similar, cheaper or better attractions then Kenyan does. Bottomline is we are going to lose a good portion of our tourist base.
The Chinese & Indians are among the best growth markets for tourism we need to tap into but we are NOT doing enough.
Money is NOT being spent on projects that benefit Kenyans. Instead time is wasted on interminable discussions on ministers. Of course, these guys don’t come cheap!!!
In a few years (2012) there will be little to talk of economically. Inflation is at 20% p.a. Interest on savings accounts are between 2-7%. That means Kenyans who save lose (real) money. So they spend fueling inflation.
while u are reorganizing the security forces we have beep uprgrading readying ourselves for the second mass action if need be. if u ever think kales are intimidated by mr kibaki then u have no idea whats going to hit u.. can u ask yourself why SLDF were told about the army 1 month before the operation… what makes u think that police stations will save your brethren in the future???..
I kibaki will not agree to the 50/50 deal, i think kenyans should let gema keep all 40 ministries plus the state of lesotho.
pokot:
You sound as uncouth as they come.
Now you’re upgrading from bows and arrows?
Nobody is trying to “intimidate” kales, its kicking the hell out of them, the stupid ones like you, who have no brains to respect other kenyans.
BTW, I heard there is drought up there in pokot…will you still want kibaki to send you some yellow corn? Wise up, you damn fool !
LOL
aki pokot, lord and others of your ilk are very funny. i’ll stay tuned to see how your ancestral land saidias you in this changing economic world.
kazi yenu nikushinda hapo gloating tuu. while others work. and you imagine you’ll develop in this way? sawa. maybe all of history thus far is wrong, and you will be the exception that develops through kifua and upgraded bows and arrows.
@mt kenya
mass action is coming soon. The soldiers in mt elgon are a double edged sword for kibaki, if the country goes to the dogs, they will take sides penda usipende. The only solution i kenya is to split up into tribal jimbos, lets see how kyuks will manage living in overpopulated lesotho. while other kenyans were practicing family planning, nyambura’s were all breeding like rats, so thats non of our problem. kofi annan should not have wasted his time speaking to jigger infested mt kenya cabal, he should have let kenyans solve their issues like ivory coast, it looks like 600,000 idp’s was not enough for kibakinistas, the numbers should be raised a little bit higher, the murder of 2 ODM mps needs to be revenged by now(sitoti and muchuki 1st on that list).
@psyd off
land issues might be funny to u but not to all the idp’s in camps.
KE
I suggest you ban pokot.
This has been a civil forum where we have exchanged different views whilst respecting each other.
When people like pokot start talking of “jigger infested kibakinistas” it is time cut off their oxygen.
@KE and JOSH
You can take a pokot out of pokot but you can’t take out the “pokot” in a pokot.
You know what I mean.
I think some pople need to see that time for mass action is already over. Nobody seems to be much interested in the protasts apart from Pokot and those of his kin or kind. Already the inistries are being run well and already the taxpayer has already saved around 23@1.5M each=35M for 3 months 105M. I congratulate the [permanent secretaries for a work well done. In fact this show kenya can be run by civil servants better than the politicians. To that i salute Muthaura and his team, and now understand why ODM should not appoint civil servants or Ambassadord. Come next election, there might be no one to run govt. To those supporting lesotho, why are they begging the American investor who wants to quit (check in the daily Nation), because its changing from better to worse as they await for a political solutioon as if it will change their own lives. Vast land in north easter province hasnt changed their lives either. Entrepreneurs dont need much land if they can live up to their calling. They need to be smart and adaptable. Tanzania is already reaping big from the consequences of people with the minds as those of Pokot. Kenya is the biggest source of FDI in Tanzania in case you dont know. And im almost sure its not the pokots who are investing there. The world is bigger than what some people with a bandit mentality think. We must bring up our children while teaching them to think smarter than what pokot thinks. We can invest anywhere. I dont think Jimnah Mbaru has been made the billionaire he is by some lands in Rift Valley or Nyanza, Kenya is bigger than where we are, and kenyans are smarter to be confined to such areas as you think. Thats why there can be inflows of 3.5Billion to assist their relatives in times of disturbance. That tells you they think even beyond the borders of kenya, we learnt it from Moi, KENYA 101-Surviving in hard timesand theres nothing new Pokot is teaching us. Were better than that.
@Pysd off
Grouping me with pokot!!! You are the one who is ‘Pokot’ only a mirrow image because you are on the other side(completley)..Check your threads
@all
My idea was to show that Kenya is divided into two camps…ODmers and Pnus…and roughly into Gema and Non ~Gema
For us to thrive (enterpreneurship) we need th cooperation of all….Those who relly on raw land are what is known to me as ‘low food chainers’…
I am a ‘high food chainer ‘ . But if the ground collapses where am i ?(yesterday the stock exchange total sales fell by 400M) .They are considering holding the bourse till after a new cabinet comes
You see the winners will be ‘Pokots’ Kibaki is not managing them properly…by going military way only militirises them….and the economy suffers…who suffers the most?(think on this one)
@pysyd ,KeiO
Have you heard of winning hearts and minds~ ask the americans which is the BETTER option
Lesson
Never ever fight with those who have nothing to lose
lord
The IDPs have nothing to lose if you ask me. So your argument is defeatist.
The solution is for all Kenyans to realise that if Kenya falls into civil strife, everyone will suffer and it will take decades to recover. Just look at Eastern Congo (much richer than Kenya) and you will understand what I mean.
The unity of the country is paramount. It is above everything else. I fully support the government in its military operations and they should even be extended to cover other areas occupied by war-mongers.
Kenya has a constitution and it must be fully respected.
@KeIO
We are almost together!!! Its the miltary solution that i oppose~ Check what happened to Eastern Congo!!! (there was a military solution). It started with Katanga…Any way the moment any military is activated ~ it will have to be active for long (decades)..especialy internal wars
Check Ethiopia .Eritria,Congo,Nigeria,Uganda
It normaly bites those who activated it initialy~they can get adventurers and start coups…An Excuse like we saw kenya was going to the Dogs will be enough for the west to surpport any JUNTA
I can agree with use of police but NOT THE military
lord
My example of Eastern Congo was to illustrate how easily a country can go to the dogs. Eastern Congo was peaceful during the many years of Mobutu (not that he was the best). However, the situation is now, relatively speaking, worse than during Mobutu’s time. Eastern Congo is now divided into small villages terrorised by militias e.g. Kalenjin warriors, Mungiki, Taliban, Pokots etc.
The reason why the military is in Mt Elgon is because a militia called Sabaot Land Defence Force has been terrorising villagers for almost 3 years now. Negotiations and talks have failed to make any impression on the foolish militia. So send the military. Let the militias fight with people who are trained to fight.
I fully support the goverment on this one. Infact, it is only after the military was deployed that the so called warriors in the Rift Valley ran away – like the cowards they are.
You cannot negotiate with people who whenever they lose the argument, rush to use bows and arrows.
@Keio
This military is there because the police failed right!! NOT AT ALL…The miltary is in Mt because Kibaki feels he must do something after the general violence after elections…because of his failure…to provide us security
Now his reaction is belated (so many idps )…rousing a normally united army …wait it will spawn something..
Meanwhile ODM has officially withdrawn from the talks. …Unprecedented time this we are living….Pray Kibaki will rise to occasion for the most crucial time.
coldtusker:
I don’t know why you are so impressed by India. Kibaki can make 100 trips to that country and they’ll still never allow any kenyan goods to be sold there. Indians are the most racist, insular people I know. What they want is for kibaki to allow indian goods to be sold in kenya, but with nothing in return for us.
if anyone has analyzed muthaura letter to odm the accord signed means nothing and still all the executive authority is vested in the president hence odm you were duped by kibaki for a second time,it seems james orengo missed to read between the lines when he was hoodwinked by mutula and wako when drafting the accord. for kales is high time you start leaving kenya for you will not withstand whats coming.mt elgon operations is just a tip in the iceberg.
KE – you are completely missing the point on CT’s comments. No matter how “racist and insular” you may think Indians are, the fact of the matter is they have a fast growing middle class and that has the potential to equal many more tourists for Kenya, if marketed correctly. As fellow third-worlders, Indians are more likely to visit Kenya in trying political times because they understand that the tourist economy is seperated from average Kenya to a large extent (i.e. political disagreements dont affect the animal migration in the Mara). Same goes for the Chinese. They are just more likely to visit in times such as these, and hence efforts to this end need to be made.
And your arguments about access to the Indian market are faulty due to one simple reason: pricing. There are very very few products that Kenya can sell to India which India does not produce itself at a CHEAPER cost. What are Kenya’s main exports to the world: tea, coffee, flowers, vegetables, etc? Parts of India enjoy the exact same weather and labor conditions as Kenya, and hence the same goods cost equal or less in India. After taking into effect transportation costs to India and other related charges (insurance, etc). it is virtually impossible for Kenyan products to compete with Indian products in India. And yes, the Indians are protectionist to a high degree, but our government needs to be strong enough to take an equivalent stand with them, but there is a reason we dont and that is that they make certain products on the cheap that Kenya currently does not. The simplest example being generic pharmaceutical drugs.
Speaking of racism and insularity, you calling anyone those words is a case of the pot calling the kettle black.
Simba,
You seriously believe that Indians (who hate black people and who have a very color conscious society; i.e. “white is right”) will be flocking to Kenya aka “africa” as tourists? Do you know what the highest selling beauty item in India is? skin whiteners!
The rest of the points you raised are very, very, good one’s, but I can’t imagine why Kibaki would want to allow more Indian firms in just based on the way these people treat Africans. Would you want to work for an Indian?
I’ve been called xenophobic many times. what can I say? I’m just speaking my mind.
KE – You espousing the racist attitudes… a pity coz I thought you were beyond that. Its simple as Simba put it… as did Ricardo… economics means that the best wins.
India’s competitor is China. Kenya can benefit by providing better goods than either the Indians can import OR manufacture. Kenya can’t compete with Indian manufacturers. Face the reality.
Kenya can become an ‘added-value’ country for the primary exports e.g. tea (yes, India imports Kenyan tea), soda ash, etc.
Indians are becoming rich. Fast. 8% growth for past 5 years unlike Kenya’s hicuppy 6% growth. The Indian (& Chinese) middle class is growing fast. Unlike China, India does not restrict its tourists & we need to tap into the market asap.
Did you know Mauritius is a favorite haunt for Bollywood? Why not Kenya? You love Bollywood movies. They produces 100s a year. These days even a basic Bollywood movie can cost $10mn. Just 10 movies produced in Kenya & say they drop 25% here means = $25mn for Kenya.
Don’t forget that many Indian movies with their song & dance routine often showcase the country.
My thrust was that Indian technology is better suited for Kenya. We should become the pioneers in Africa & teach other Africans how to use the Indian technology thus we become partners & benefit.
@pokot
wow!!
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@ke
looks like kibaki was just buying time to rearrange the security forces. In the last 2 months cops and aps from nyanza, western and rv have been transfered en mass. if he thinks he can run kenya with an iron fist, he is mistaken. somebody needs to get him a video of sadaam husseins execution..
coldtusker:
Have you ever had a good experience with an Indian in kenya or anywhere?